Universal Epic Universe (South Expansion Complex) - Now Open!

DrStarlander

Active Member
With the opening of Epic, it's an interesting time to analyze Universal's attraction mix and target demographic...
The lack of family dark rides/accessible slow moving rides is definitely a real strong critique and got to be an issue with Universal parks in general.
I get the logic behind posts like these, but Universal isn't trying to be like Disney. Their theme park brand is built on being a little more intense and thrilling and less "fun for the whole family" so as to not turn off older kids and teens.
I think that Universal has largely been an "insurgent" brand (especially in So. Cal but also in Orlando). It focused on a demographic/psychographic it could most easily "peel away" from Disney based on Disney's long-standing "wholesome" brand attributes/parameters that have both been Disney's greatest strength...and its Achilles Heel with adolescent boys...(hence the Marvel and Star Wars acquisitions).

Universal focuses on thrills, film-realism, and irreverence/sarcasm (e.g., Minions, Simpsons, DreamWorks). That made sense, for a long time. Going directly against Disney's wholesome, traditional family-market strength would have been an uphill battle and too expensive. But the market they captured is narrow...at least narrower than Disney's. And it's not nearly as lucrative.

When a family visits Disney, it can be four or five guests! And they may come many times during the kids' childhoods. Teenagers, meanwhile, have a much shorter window of family travel. By the time they are in their mid-teens, they'd often rather be home with their friends during school breaks than traveling with their parents, and it's harder for them to miss school, plus extracurriculars such as sports create further travel-scheduling complexity. A family with young kids can travel virtually any time of year. So Universal has a much shorter opportunity in years and in terms of school-breaks, to exploit the family with teenagers and they have to wait to start engaging them until the kids are older. Meanwhile, Disney got their hooks in them years earlier.

If Universal wants to do, say, 10-12 million visitors a year, focusing on their past/core demo/psychographic will continue to work. But if they want to get up to, say, 14-15 million a year per park (Magic Kingdom and Disneyland do 17 million), they need the families. They need to start earlier in getting the family to come (not wait until the kids are teenagers) and they need to establish multi-generational brand attachment.

The great thing is that offering more family-friendly attractions is relatively cheap. Dark rides (Fantasyland level) are much cheaper than the mega dark rides teenagers are expecting. And flat rides fill a niche too, plus walk-throughs, play areas, small shows, and other tuck-in offerings all help.

I do think the "classic dark ride" (aesthetic, passive, delightful, low-stress) is an area of theme park offerings Universal has hardly attempted, but the hour+ wait for SLoP in Hollywood I encountered recently was a reminder how appealing -- and rare -- these are.
 

Stripes

Premium Member
Once again, Comcast has reported significant declines in revenue and income in their theme parks business. They lay the blame, again, on declining attendance at their domestic parks.

This has become a recurring theme over the past year and a half.
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Andrew25

Well-Known Member
I have to echo/stress @DrStarlander's point... if Universal wants to do Disney numbers, they have to provide more offerings that allow the entire family to experience things together. If you can't experience significant motion or don't want to get wet... your options are limited
 

TalkingHead

Well-Known Member
I have to echo/stress @DrStarlander's point... if Universal wants to do Disney numbers, they have to provide more offerings that allow the entire family to experience things together. If you can't experience significant motion or don't want to get wet... your options are limited
Ok but we need to stress they’re not trying to do Disney numbers
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Technically its possible Universal Japan may take the top spot.

EPIC may take enough folks from MK such that its no longer at the top of the list, but then DLR or Universal Japan could take top spot.

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Rich Brownn

Well-Known Member
I don’t get why people think teenagers and older kids are turned off by Disney. The way I see it is that Michal Eisners son was one of the few people who thought that way (he was wrong) and now people think all teenagers feel that way about Disney?
Look at "Alien Encounter" - originally proposed for Disneyland. It failed here because the Magic Kingdom is considered "a kiddie park" by most guests
 

Andrew25

Well-Known Member
Ok but we need to stress they’re not trying to do Disney numbers
Universal is emphasizing consistently that Epic Universe will turn the resort into a week-long destination. They already do attendance numbers similar to those of 3/4 WDW parks.

Absolute fail on Universal's part to only do 9-9 when the park was designed with nighttime hours. Even if they want to run the parks for only 12 hours, they should delay opening to 10 or 11AM to keep park open later in the evening.
 

jrhwdw

Well-Known Member
Universal is emphasizing consistently that Epic Universe will turn the resort into a week-long destination. They already do attendance numbers similar to those of 3/4 WDW parks.

Absolute fail on Universal's part to only do 9-9 when the park was designed with nighttime hours. Even if they want to run the parks for only 12 hours, they should delay opening to 10 or 11AM to keep park open later in the evening.
Exactly!! If Universal wants to be the #1 Spot in Orlando, they're not doing a good job IMO!
 

Purduevian

Well-Known Member
Could this be a deliberate play to smooth out demand? The park is already sold out for the first chunk of time.

Then as days get shorter, introduce the new fireworks show to get more locals to come back?
 

jrhwdw

Well-Known Member
Could this be a deliberate play to smooth out demand? The park is already sold out for the first chunk of time.

Then as days get shorter, introduce the new fireworks show to get more locals to come back?
Maybe, but to me this still looks like a Miss for Fireworks and EU's lighting not being shown off From Opening Day!

Kind of like MK's Starlight missing Memorial Weekend(planned or not) till who knows what Date!
 

hopemax

Well-Known Member
Update from me. Today continues to be rough. So we’re coming back on Tuesday so to not stress the rest of the day. The only good thing is that our Monsters ride seemed good and we’re seeing both shows.

But we still love the park! It’s so pretty. I just wish we had agreed on 2 days to start. We did a lot of running around for nothing.
 
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Gusey

Well-Known Member
Universal is emphasizing consistently that Epic Universe will turn the resort into a week-long destination. They already do attendance numbers similar to those of 3/4 WDW parks.

Absolute fail on Universal's part to only do 9-9 when the park was designed with nighttime hours. Even if they want to run the parks for only 12 hours, they should delay opening to 10 or 11AM to keep park open later in the evening.
Especially odd when IoA is open 9-10 that same week
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Could this be a deliberate play to smooth out demand? The park is already sold out for the first chunk of time.

More likely it's to keep within capabilities.

More hours = more staff shifts to fill.
More hours = less downtime for restock, reload, fix, service. Less downtime = more staff needed to do same work
More hours = more strain on the new equipment

I already said I really hope they work on extending hours... because USO's hours generally are horrrible. But I can understand if they aren't racing to open the floodgates. Staffing is hard... and running longer is certainly going to strain that.

But I hope if they find the park swamped they adapt with more hours. Nothing will be more crushing for guests to be buried all day, NOT get to what they want, and be excluded from returning on another day. That will be a negative experience that is hard to erase... no matter whose fault it is. Hopefully their capacity handling will keep things reasonable.
 

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