Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Ghost93]

Drop was a fun thriller. Hope it does well at the box office.

 

[coffeefan]

Interesting discussion on chronic rage culture and how Superman is their next target.

 

[LittleBuford]

Interesting discussion on chronic rage culture and how Superman is their next target.

I haven't watched the video, but "chronic rage culture" is the perfect term for the phenomenon in question!

 

[Agent H]

I haven't watched the video, but "chronic rage culture" is the perfect term for the phenomenon in question!

I prefer “the grifter-verse”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I haven't watched the video, but "chronic rage culture" is the perfect term for the phenomenon in question!

I prefer “the grifter-verse”

So what are we calling the “head up the apologists own keister” phenomenon?

I want to update my list of acronyms

 

[LittleBuford]

So what are we calling the “head up the apologists own keister” phenomenon?

I want to update my list of acronyms

If you look at what those of us you consider apologists have actually posted, you'll see that we have all (perhaps with one or two exceptions) voiced numerous criticisms of Disney's offerings and decisions over the years. @Casper Gutman, who is routinely (and inexplicably) lumped together with the rest of us, has been scathing in some of his assessments. The problem is that the mode of "discussion" favoured by some of you here doesn't allow for any nuance: if we don't absolutely hate something or agree with whatever farfetched nonsense is being peddled by the trolls and agitators, we're accused of defending everything Disney does and excusing all the company's shortcomings, even when that absolutely isn't the case. You're one of the posters who routinely misunderstands my intent (and others') in this regard, no matter how clearly I articulate myself.

But if you insist on labelling me, I'll wear "Pixie Duster" with pride.

 

[Chi84]

If you look at what those of us you consider apologists have actually posted, you'll see that we have all (perhaps with one or two exceptions) voiced numerous criticisms of Disney's offerings and decisions over the years. @Casper Gutman, who is routinely (and inexplicably) lumped together with the rest of us, has been scathing in some of his assessments. The problem is that the mode of "discussion" favoured by some of you here doesn't allow for any nuance: if we don't absolutely hate something or agree with whatever farfetched nonsense is being peddled by the trolls and agitators, we're accused of defending everything Disney does and excusing all the company's shortcomings, even when that absolutely isn't the case. You're one of the posters who routinely misunderstands my intent (and others') in this regard, no matter how clearly I articulate myself.

But if you insist on labelling me, I'll wear "Pixie Duster" with pride.

Yeah all that nuance will be lost. Some aren't interested in or capable of understanding what you are very clearly articulating. It has to be one side or the other; nothing in between.

 

[WoundedDreamer]

I know it’s fun to pretend that Snow White’s failure is some unfolding news story that is continuing to surprise us, but you already predicted “just a few weeks ago” that the film would probably make less than $100 million domestically:

I think you’re being unfair to @TP2000 here. He presented two potential performance outcomes for Snow White in the older analysis you quoted. One was more bleak and the other more optimistic. One had Snow White hitting $100 million and the other had it failing to hit that metric.

In the more recent analysis, he has come to the conclusion that the bleak model is more accurate. He said in his post that he was not expecting the bear case to win out over the more bullish outcome. Snow White’s failure is definitionally an unfolding story that ought to be tracked in this thread.

I also have to take issue with you criticizing him for following box office trends in the “Box Office - Current State of Affairs” thread. His post is more consistent with the thread’s stated purpose than many of your most recent posts in the thread.

Let the man track his numbers in peace!

 

[LittleBuford]

I think you’re being unfair to @TP2000 here. He presented two potential performance outcomes for Snow White in the older analysis you quoted. One was more bleak and the other more optimistic. One had Snow White hitting $100 million and the other had it failing to hit that metric.

In the more recent analysis, he has come to the conclusion that the bleak model is more accurate. He said in his post that he was not expecting the bear case to win out over the more bullish outcome.

You’re entitled to your opinion. I don’t think I’m being unfair to him. His earlier post presented the bleaker outcome as the likelier, so your characterisation of what he said is incorrect.

Snow White’s failure is definitionally an unfolding story that ought to be tracked in this thread.

I’m not saying it shouldn’t be tracked. It’s the sensationalist framing that I take issue with. The film’s failure was immediate and spectacular, and no-one is surprised that it continues to do extremely poorly.

I also have to take issue with you criticizing him for following box office trends in the “Box Office - Current State of Affairs” thread. His post is more consistent with the thread’s stated purpose than many of your most recent posts in the thread.

I have never criticised him for following box-office trends, so I’m thoroughly puzzled by that accusation. You are correct, however, that my own posts in this thread have often been off-topic.

Let the man track his numbers in peace!

Nothing I say here can, or is intended to, prevent him from posting. I’m entitled to respond to his posts, just as anyone else is.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I think you’re being unfair to @TP2000 here. He presented two potential performance outcomes for Snow White in the older analysis you quoted. One was more bleak and the other more optimistic. One had Snow White hitting $100 million and the other had it failing to hit that metric.

In the more recent analysis, he has come to the conclusion that the bleak model is more accurate. He said in his post that he was not expecting the bear case to win out over the more bullish outcome. Snow White’s failure is definitionally an unfolding story that ought to be tracked in this thread.

I also have to take issue with you criticizing him for following box office trends in the “Box Office - Current State of Affairs” thread. His post is more consistent with the thread’s stated purpose than many of your most recent posts in the thread.

Let the man track his numbers in peace!

I think it goes even further than that, it’s struggling beyond all expectations.

I went from a $400 million prediction, to $300 million, to now wondering if it’s going to even reach $200 million.

We all know it underperformed but the extent is still interesting.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Minecraft dropped 60% from last Friday but still pulled in over $20 million, not too shabby.

 

[WoundedDreamer]

You’re entitled to your opinion. I don’t think I’m being unfair to him. His earlier post presented the bleaker outcome as the likelier, so your characterisation of what he said is incorrect.


I’m not saying it shouldn’t be tracked. It’s the sensationalist framing that I take issue with. The film’s failure was immediate and spectacular, and no-one is surprised that it continues to do extremely poorly.


I have never criticised him for following box-office trends, so I’m thoroughly puzzled by that accusation. You are correct, however, that my own posts in this thread have often been off-topic.


Nothing I say here can, or is intended to, prevent him from posting. I’m entitled to respond to his posts, just as anyone else is.

He’s @TP2000. He’s going to write in a “sensationalist[ic]” way. That’s how he writes. That’s also what makes his posts fun to read. He has some of the most distinct and engaging writing on the site.

He does this with every Disney movie. He tracks their success and their failure in this thread. Just like the title of the thread says. In an attempt to present the information in a way that doesn’t read like an accountant, he spices them up with analysis and style.

I’m sorry if my first post was a little prickly. I feel like Snow White controversy has been derailing this thread into a tiresome month long argument. His post was one of the dwindling number of that had substance for a box office thread. So, when I saw you criticize his post, I probably let you bear the brunt of my frustration. That wasn’t totally fair.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If you look at what those of us you consider apologists have actually posted, you'll see that we have all (perhaps with one or two exceptions) voiced numerous criticisms of Disney's offerings and decisions over the years. @Casper Gutman, who is routinely (and inexplicably) lumped together with the rest of us, has been scathing in some of his assessments. The problem is that the mode of "discussion" favoured by some of you here doesn't allow for any nuance: if we don't absolutely hate something or agree with whatever farfetched nonsense is being peddled by the trolls and agitators, we're accused of defending everything Disney does and excusing all the company's shortcomings, even when that absolutely isn't the case. You're one of the posters who routinely misunderstands my intent (and others') in this regard, no matter how clearly I articulate myself.

But if you insist on labelling me, I'll wear "Pixie Duster" with pride.

Heavily laden - every time - with enough “but; but, butter…” to drown your pancakes

There continues to be pointless exercises to splain away disaster

Maybe the “explanation” is it’s just a disaster?


If we’re all around and this board existed on 4/15/1912…would we be here debating if they just messed up sailing the ship? Or that the public demonstrated a “lack of appreciation for the quality approach and artistic interpretation on how ships can be steered”?

 

[LittleBuford]

He’s @TP2000. He’s going to write in a “sensationalist[ic]” way. That’s how he writes. That’s also what makes his posts fun to read. He has some of the most distinct and engaging writing on the site.

He does this with every Disney movie. He tracks their success and their failure in this thread. Just like the title of the thread says. In an attempt to present the information in a way that doesn’t read like an accountant, he spices them up with analysis and style.

I’m sorry if my first post was a little prickly. I feel like Snow White controversy has been derailing this thread into a tiresome month long argument. His post was one of the dwindling number of that had substance for a box office thread. So, when I saw you criticize his post, I probably let you bear the brunt of my frustration. That wasn’t totally fair.

Thank you for your kind words; I appreciate them. No worries.

While I totally agree that this thread has been derailed into a tiresome argument about Snow White, @TP2000’s box-office updates shouldn’t obscure the fact that he is one of the main contributors to that derailment. (I am too; I don’t deny it.)

Anyway, thanks again.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yeah all that nuance will be lost. Some aren't interested in or capable of understanding what you are very clearly articulating. It has to be one side or the other; nothing in between.

Is that what happens when the repeated “I don’t know what you mean?” Is posted to blunt when things are bad?

Would that represent a lack of “nuance comprehension”?

 

[LittleBuford]

Heavily laden - every time - with enough “but; but, butter…” to drown your pancakes

There continues to be pointless exercises to splain away disaster

Maybe the “explanation” is it’s just a disaster?

Snow White’s box-office performance has been disastrous. I have never denied that or tried to offer an explanation for it, much less an excuse.

Again, we’d fare much better if you actually responded to what people wrote.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I wonder why folks apologize for Disney when Disney does not apologize.

Disney makes the movies they want to make, many lose money, some are blockbusters.

Disney makes mistakes in their theme parks and never apologize and those mistakes remain there for decades.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I wonder why folks apologize for Disney when Disney does not apologize.

Disney makes the movies they want to make, many lose money, some are blockbusters.

Disney makes mistakes in their theme parks and never apologize and those mistakes remain there for decades.

If we didn’t make apologies…and they suffered financial consequences for their mistakes…two things would be better:

1. Disney
2. All of us

Welcome to the “free market”. Survive and advance

 

[Chi84]

Is that what happens when the repeated “I don’t know what you mean?” Is posted to blunt when things are bad?

Would that represent a lack of “nuance comprehension”?

No. Not everyone thinks things are as bad as you do. That may be why they ask what you mean.

 

[Chi84]

If we didn’t make apologies…and they suffered financial consequences for their mistakes…two things would be better:

1. Disney
2. All of us

Welcome to the “free market”. Survive and advance

If attendance is down and the movies aren’t making money it seems the free market is working just fine.