Chi84
Premium Member
I don't think there was ever an audience for a Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs remake. That's been the central argument from the beginning here, hasn't it?
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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brideck
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Well, I apparently got exactly what I asked for -- a reframing of the original question followed by a bunch of tired talking points. Are we sure that TP isn't some octogenarian Senator from somewhere?
TP2000
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Getting back to box office, here's two scenarios that would seem to be playing out for Snow White; a $300 Million global cumulative that seems likely, and a $400 Million global cumulative that would be the best case scenario after this weekend.
It's helpful that the domestic and overseas box office stats seem to be on a nearly identical path, so we'll just continue with that assumption for the totals two months from now.
$300 Million Snow White; Production $250, Marketing $100, Domestic $90, Overseas $60 = $200 Million Loss
$400 Million Snow White: Production $250, Marketing $100, Domestic $120, Overseas $80 = $150 Million Loss
How much is a new night parade again?
It's helpful that the domestic and overseas box office stats seem to be on a nearly identical path, so we'll just continue with that assumption for the totals two months from now.
$300 Million Snow White; Production $250, Marketing $100, Domestic $90, Overseas $60 = $200 Million Loss
$400 Million Snow White: Production $250, Marketing $100, Domestic $120, Overseas $80 = $150 Million Loss
How much is a new night parade again?
TP2000
Well-Known Member
You got my opinion of why Snow White is not a movie for families with small children (girls specifically, in this Princess scenario).
If you disagree with me, and feel that families with small children are wrong to stay away in droves from this movie, that's fine. But the box office results this weekend show that this movie is a big flop and will cost Disney several hundred million dollars because... families with small children didn't show up for it. No one really showed up for it, actually.
In my opinion, Disney needs to go back to making Princess movies for families with small children. That used to be a very profitable business model for them, and they need to never do what they did to the well known Snow White story ever again.
Although, to be honest, they're running out of old Princess stories to turn into live action. Honestly, what's left? Tangled?
Agent H
Well-Known Member
They’re already working on a live action tangled.
Chi84
Premium Member
Don't have the patience or inclination to find out lol.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
I'm chuckling at all the media outlets using Dwarf analogies today for Snow White's box office.
Don't they know Mr. Dinklage and Burbank's HR forbid that? The headline writers all must be ists and phobes.
deadline.com
Don't they know Mr. Dinklage and Burbank's HR forbid that? The headline writers all must be ists and phobes.
‘Snow White’ Bashful With $87.3M Global Bow; ‘Captain America: Brave New World’ Crosses $400M WW – International Box Office
Disney’s live-action take on Snow White has come in with a global launch of $87.3M, including $44.3M from international box office markets
deadline.com
Disney Rocks
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They tried to make a Snow White movie for the post-Frozen generation of girls. The target audience of the final product is very much still families with small children. Children have been watching "leadership stories" like Star Wars and The Lion King for generations. That aspect does not make them un-family friendly.
And little girls are not averse to seeing themselves in those plots. Moana was an enormous success.
The problem is that Snow White is a survival story, not really a Hero's Journey narrative. So you have to drastically re-write the plot to make Snow White want something other than to survive and find happiness. What does she self-actualize to?
And the writers of this movie did not have a compelling answer to that. The "brave and true" arch words were stolen verbatim from the (also poorly written) Mulan remake.
It's not any more woke or un-family friendly than Moana or Frozen. It's just hackneyed and so different from the original Snow White that you have to ask "Why not just write a new story?" But Disney can't because they're addicted to using nostalgia and brand recognition as a crutch.
And little girls are not averse to seeing themselves in those plots. Moana was an enormous success.
The problem is that Snow White is a survival story, not really a Hero's Journey narrative. So you have to drastically re-write the plot to make Snow White want something other than to survive and find happiness. What does she self-actualize to?
And the writers of this movie did not have a compelling answer to that. The "brave and true" arch words were stolen verbatim from the (also poorly written) Mulan remake.
It's not any more woke or un-family friendly than Moana or Frozen. It's just hackneyed and so different from the original Snow White that you have to ask "Why not just write a new story?" But Disney can't because they're addicted to using nostalgia and brand recognition as a crutch.
TP2000
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Exactly! If they wanted to do a live action Snow White & The Seven Dwarves, they could have done that. And should have.
Instead, they tried to turn it into something new and different and pinned to the Silver Lake brunch table zeitgeist of 2021, while still keeping the same dress and poison apple for merchandise sales. But the audience didn't show up for it.
If they want to do a girls Leadership Journey story, do that. But don't try and call it Snow White and then wonder why it flops.
LittleBuford
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Robin Hood is well worth a rewatch, by the way! It’s an underrated classic, in my opinion.
Agent H
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It’s my mom’s favorite Disney movie. We get into arguments all the time about why it doesn’t have a ride.
LittleBuford
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The 1973 animation.
LittleBuford
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They were among my favourites too!
Agent H
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1973
Casper Gutman
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You’re accusing me of being AI? You’re mad. I’ve never once used AI for anything, let alone something as frivolous as posting on a message board. I hope anyone who’s read my posts, agree or disagree, would attest to the fact that I have a fairly distinct voice.
I’d appreciate an apology for this garbage.
PS: asking AI something isn’t “doing research.”
Agent H
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Indeed. You are perhaps the most composed poster on here.
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Casper Gutman
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You’re a great poster. If you are indeed on the younger side, your articulate posts and thoughtful arguments certainly don’t reflect any lack of experience.
LittleBuford
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I can smell AI a mile off. @Casper Gutman is the furthest poster from it.
Casper Gutman
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Disney Irish
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I never caught it because its not a thing. You're upset that you got called out for your use of it, and now trying to clap back as if everyone is against you.
Let me be clear, I'm not against you, no one is against you. As I've said now MANY times, I'm not against AI, I use AI in my job and am very familiar with it. My issue was and continues to be the use of AI as a replacement for actual research and discussion.
You want to use AI fine, as long as you clearly identify it as AI generated information I don't care, people can make their own opinions about its veracity from there. And you notice I haven't said one thing about your posts that you've done that, and I appreciate that you have.