DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[lazyboy97o]

How was mine train scaled back I’m not trying to be sarcastic I’m genuinely asking

Here’s some info.

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MK Thread 'Original Seven Dwarfs Mine Train'

Oct 13, 2014

The Mine Train originally had some other scenes in it, as I've heard on this forum. But which scenes have been cut during the process? Not another mine scene I suppose?

• HunnyHunter
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• Forum: Fantasyland Expansion

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[Agent H]

Here’s some info.

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MK Thread 'Original Seven Dwarfs Mine Train'

Oct 13, 2014

The Mine Train originally had some other scenes in it, as I've heard on this forum. But which scenes have been cut during the process? Not another mine scene I suppose?

• HunnyHunter
• Replies: 30
• Forum: Fantasyland Expansion

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Thanks!

 

[Icarus846]

Not sure how small you think it will be - just did some measuring and it is around 50,000 sq feet

similar as Rock N Rollercoaster ... Guardians gravity building is about 50% larger than that. It's a bit larger than Remy.

obviously will depend how far it goes into the parking lot - but should be decent sized, not huge but sufficient

Exactly, that’s small for a land with one ride.

 

[BrianLo]

Yes, as those posts indicate, I think there is every reason to be skeptical of Villains Land. And, as I said, it is likely that the Monsters door coaster, AK, and Cars additions occur, albeit with cuts (and despite the fact that two of them are awful ideas). If you feel that position is absurd, feel free to explain why. Be sure to reference historical experience.

For me, this playbook looks fairly identical to last decade. Particularly 2017-2020.

Thus far I’m technically less impressed with what they’ve announced than I was with what they actually produced last decade.

I think a lot of people are wrong on Villains, even the more optimistic ones. We’re still six months out from the first whisper of Galaxy’s edge decade on decade. The only project that strikes me as fast thus far is Tropical Americas.

Villains is Galaxy’s Edge in the playbook and slashing it out represents a serious decline from their *supposedly* aggressive Parks about-face. We haven’t hit the Epcot-equivalent stuff as far as I’m concerned… and even the first iteration of that from 2017’s D23 largely occurred in tact.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The entire reason to exist as a publicly traded company in the US is to make money for stock holders. You can do that either through stock growth, dividends or both. Management doesn't have to maximize profits at the expense of all else but stockholders can absolutely replace them if they aren't making as much as the stockholders think they should. So, unless you want to lose your job, you need to make enough to keep Wall Street happy.


Galaxy edge had the restaurant moved to a second stage and one ride that never made it off the drawing board. The droids were used in DL a bit but not WDW because we can't have nice things with the mobs that have no common sense.

There was talk of shows on the rooftops but I don't remember if those were already removed before the lands design was finalized or if they were cut when all the other live entertainment was slashed.

Was there something else from there that was removed?

Also, what was lost from Fantasyland that was not replaced with something else?

I honestly don't remember anything outside of the stuff that ended up being replaced but I don't consider swaps canceling something. Sure, 7DMT was scaled back but it was an addition after construction started and was not part of the original plan.

Perhaps the main feature of SWL was supposed to be a complex role-playing system that used impressive new tech to allow guests to advance a flexible story across the land and for CMs to track individual guests' character development and play a role appropriate to their particular story. The tech was supposed to be integrated into the land's attractions as well. A watered-down version of this got moved behind the Star Cruiser paywall and one of the main hooks of the land was reduced to CMs saying "Bright Suns" constantly.

 

[LSLS]

Unless the front half opens before the coaster. See FLE where mine train opened last or even SWGE where rise opened later. It’s possible they reopen the front half rethemed to Monsters before Door Coaster opens.

So, they in fact would not be letting the front half just sit

 

[GoofGoof]

So, they in fact would not be letting the front half just sit

It’s a possibility. If I were betting on it I’d probably put my money on the whole land opening at once in 2028, but it does make some sense to get the front half open earlier when it’s ready, especially the 2 restaurants. I think most people (me included) thought they would leave the front half open longer while they started the Door Coaster. The rest of the land is just a retheming of existing structures with one building demoed so it should not take more than 18 months to complete.

So now that work is ramping up on front half soon it’s possible:

1. They complete the work on front half some time in 2026 and it just sits until 2028 when whole land opens
2. They slow play the front half construction and drag it out so it finishes around the same time as Door Coaster
3. They complete the work on the front half some time in 2026 and they open that part without Door Coaster.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Perhaps the main feature of SWL was supposed to be a complex role-playing system that used impressive new tech to allow guests to advance a flexible story across the land and for CMs to track individual guests' character development and play a role appropriate to their particular story. The tech was supposed to be integrated into the land's attractions as well. A watered-down version of this got moved behind the Star Cruiser paywall and one of the main hooks of the land was reduced to CMs saying "Bright Suns" constantly.

Perhaps the main feature of SWGE was the friends we’ve made along the way. Like that guy who did an AMAZING job as engineer on my Falcon mission. We collected one canister of coaxium

Gonna name my next son after him.

 

[Gusey]

Genuine question, how long does it take to build a roller coaster? Slinky Dog was built in about a year, right? Is there a possibility that Monstropolis will open in 2026 or 2027 if they start construction on the coaster in March (when some construction walls are set to go up)?

 

[Casper Gutman]

Lost in all this is that they continue to leave Animation Courtyard rot.

Disney knows that closing Muppets is a big deal. That's why they spout the nonsense about preserving it somehow and almost certainly why they whipped up a vague mention of a direct replacement. They just don't care enough not to close it, or even not to close it years early.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Genuine question, how long does it take to build a roller coaster? Slinky Dog was built in about a year, right? Is there a possibility that Monstropolis will open in 2026 or 2027 if they start construction on the coaster in March (when some construction walls are set to go up)?

Takes much much longer to build an indoor fully enclosed coaster with a fully indoor queue

 

[LSLS]

Genuine question, how long does it take to build a roller coaster? Slinky Dog was built in about a year, right? Is there a possibility that Monstropolis will open in 2026 or 2027 if they start construction on the coaster in March (when some construction walls are set to go up)?

This theoretically has a lot more theming, and needs to be enclosed. Also need to build up the rest of the land. I don't think there is any way for 2026. MAYBE later 2027. But this is also not the only thing they are throwing construction workers at. And they also don't want everything opening at the same time, so that would probably mean one of the other projects would need to back up.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Genuine question, how long does it take to build a roller coaster? Slinky Dog was built in about a year, right? Is there a possibility that Monstropolis will open in 2026 or 2027 if they start construction on the coaster in March (when some construction walls are set to go up)?

An indoor coaster with show scenes takes longer. I do think this project moved up a bit while Cars was delayed a bit.

Early 2028, I’d imagine, for the full MI land.

 

[Agent H]

Perhaps the main feature of SWL was supposed to be a complex role-playing system that used impressive new tech to allow guests to advance a flexible story across the land and for CMs to track individual guests' character development and play a role appropriate to their particular story. The tech was supposed to be integrated into the land's attractions as well. A watered-down version of this got moved behind the Star Cruiser paywall and one of the main hooks of the land was reduced to CMs saying "Bright Suns" constantly.

Oh yes that would have been so cool! I honestly can’t decide what I’m more mad at chapek for cutting all the coolest stuff from galaxies edge or genie plus

 

[GoofGoof]

This theoretically has a lot more theming, and needs to be enclosed. Also need to build up the rest of the land. I don't think there is any way for 2026. MAYBE later 2027. But this is also not the only thing they are throwing construction workers at. And they also don't want everything opening at the same time, so that would probably mean one of the other projects would need to back up.

Yeah, I am thinking the same thing. They don’t want Tropical Americas and Monsters to open at same time so unless that project slips and Monsters goes first I’m thinking 2027 TA, 2028 Monsters, 2029 or 2030 Cars and then Villians 2030 or 2031. MK has a lot of ground work before the lands can be built so definitely going to take a while.

If TA ends up ahead of schedule and opens early 2027 (which I don’t see happening) there is a possibility Monsters is holidays 2027 instead of 2028.

 

[Moth]

My date bets are

•if it's a phased opening: front-half late 2026 for the show and PizzaRoz, Harryhousen's would 100% open with the coaster in this situation. Later half opens spring-summer 28.

•if all together: it opens spring 28.

So far, outside of POSSIBLY the Electric Mayhem retheme, I don't think Disney has anything planned for 2026 to open? I think the Monsters Show, whatever it may be, would be a thing they can pen down to get something in the books for 2026, alongside a redone Big Thunder Mountain.

Me thinks

25: Test Track 3, Villains show, Mermaid and Zootopia. Spaceship Earth closes after TT opens, maybe?
26: Electric Mayhem and maybe the Monsters Show.... Spaceship Earth? Mando-Falcon film.
27: Maybe Spaceship Earth goes here. Tropical Americas. Imagination closure
28: Monsters Inc full land/door coaster.
29: Larry the Cable Guy and Owen Wilson land. Imagination 4?
30: Villains. Probably some other project they haven't announced yet.

 

[mattpeto]

My date bets are

•if it's a phased opening: front-half late 2026 for the show and PizzaRoz, Harryhousen's would 100% open with the coaster in this situation. Later half opens spring-summer 28.

•if all together: it opens spring 28.

So far, outside of POSSIBLY the Electric Mayhem retheme, I don't think Disney has anything planned for 2026 to open? I think the Monsters Show, whatever it may be, would be a thing they can pen down to get something in the books for 2026, alongside a redone Big Thunder Mountain.

Just MFSR Mando/Grogu...that's all we have to date.

 

[erasure fan1]

Lost in all this is that they continue to leave Animation Courtyard rot.

That's my beef in all this. Yea I'm a Muppets Homer, full admittance. But this is about having space that isn't being utilized. I see no reason muppet vision needs to go. And because it's easier to put it in the Muppets instead of having to relocate some offices isn't valid. It's supposed to be about the guest experience. It's the same issue with cars. Once you have used all the space, then come to me with removing Muppets or RoA...

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

stockholders can absolutely replace them if they aren't making as much as the stockholders think they should. So, unless you want to lose your job, you need to make enough to keep Wall Street happy.

Since Disney+ lost money for years with no issue from the stockholders I don’t think it’s realistic that the parks can’t properly expand in a way that should increase their profits long term.

 

[Casper Gutman]

We should probably wait for an insider to say ANYTHING about the Muppets replacement that appeared out of thin air AFTER D23 before guessing it will open next year.