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News Disney Lakeshore Lodge (Project 89 - Development near Fort Wilderness)

Doberge

True Bayou Magic
Premium Member
If it is indeed Reflections returning, do you guys think it will have a new theme or it will be the same basic thing they announced way back when?

I've before pushed the idea of absorbing into Fort Wilderness for multiple reasons, including fact that we've been so close to Fort Wilderness brand expansion more or less on the same site...

30ish years ago Disney had plans for a resort named either Fort Wilderness Junction or Buffalo Junction. It was a western themed moderate hotel of 2-3 story buildings, a potential revival of the shuttered FW train that would link resorts, a duplicate of the DLP Buffalo Bill show, horse carriage rides, and other things. It was described somewhere as being like Crescent Lake with the ability to easily get to multiple resorts. It was discussed in a past Disney Dish episode and also the middle of Bright Sun Films piece on the FW railroad. The latter has some plans if wanting to see a few images. Alas, this wonderful idea was repackaged and used when Disney created the Wilderness Lodge Villas, now Boulder Ridge.

Considering it's unlikely Disney goes back to that same well then they need something new. I didn't think the lakeside lodge was a bad idea, it just suffered from a bad name and underwhelming render in, both of which can be improved. Even the Poly tower we're getting isn't the first Poly tower rendering ad those go back a ways (here's one: https://www.genesisstudios.com/portfolio-item/313069-hhcp-disney_polynesian-porte_cochere/).

My point is that Disney plays with different designs, as one would expect. I'd still anticipate a silimilar lake resort theme because it fits well between Wilderness Lodge and Fort Wilderness. Wilderness Lodge drawing inspiration from multiple national parks makes it particularly difficult. I'd love to see them lean into Americana more as areas like Liberty Square feel threatened. Something like the Williamsburg Inn with a colonial era / early American theme and bringing in ideas from Disney's America park. Move Liberty Tree Tavern and incorporate ideas like carriages from Fort Wilderness Junction. Alas it'll never happen because Disney probably considers the era "problematic."
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I've before pushed the idea of absorbing into Fort Wilderness for multiple reasons, including fact that we've been so close to Fort Wilderness brand expansion more or less on the same site...

30ish years ago Disney had plans for a resort named either Fort Wilderness Junction or Buffalo Junction. It was a western themed moderate hotel of 2-3 story buildings, a potential revival of the shuttered FW train that would link resorts, a duplicate of the DLP Buffalo Bill show, horse carriage rides, and other things. It was described somewhere as being like Crescent Lake with the ability to easily get to multiple resorts. It was discussed in a past Disney Dish episode and also the middle of Bright Sun Films piece on the FW railroad. The latter has some plans if wanting to see a few images. Alas, this wonderful idea was repackaged and used when Disney created the Wilderness Lodge Villas, now Boulder Ridge.

Considering it's unlikely Disney goes back to that same well then they need something new. I didn't think the lakeside lodge was a bad idea, it just suffered from a bad name and underwhelming render in, both of which can be improved. Even the Poly tower we're getting isn't the first Poly tower rendering ad those go back a ways (here's one: https://www.genesisstudios.com/portfolio-item/313069-hhcp-disney_polynesian-porte_cochere/).

My point is that Disney plays with different designs, as one would expect. I'd still anticipate a silimilar lake resort theme because it fits well between Wilderness Lodge and Fort Wilderness. Wilderness Lodge drawing inspiration from multiple national parks makes it particularly difficult. I'd love to see them lean into Americana more as areas like Liberty Square feel threatened. Something like the Williamsburg Inn with a colonial era / early American theme and bringing in ideas from Disney's America park. Move Liberty Tree Tavern and incorporate ideas like carriages from Fort Wilderness Junction. Alas it'll never happen because Disney probably considers the era "problematic."
I seriously doubt there is ANY intention of “mixed use” room inventory

It’s gonna be more fast and quick with minimal amenity

So magical 🧙‍♂️
 

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
Even if they bring something back on the site of reflections I hope they revisit the exact design of the hotel including the name. The renderings we’ve gotten for Reflections just weren’t great.
Yeah but they paid for them already.....So for sure we will get that...Maybe some changes in thew interior design since the products that were spec'd are no longer the same...
but I would not expect them to start over again.... not after the investment in the plans....
 

GimpYancIent

Well-Known Member
Yeah but they paid for them already.....So for sure we will get that...Maybe some changes in thew interior design since the products that were spec'd are no longer the same...
but I would not expect them to start over again.... not after the investment in the plans....
Agree. A scrapping and reinvention no. However, in keeping with current Disney management mentality a cheapening or watering down of the original, sadly yes.
 

SomeInternetGuy

Well-Known Member
Looks like work on whatever this project has become might be about to begin. There was a recent FAA permit filed for a 240ft mobile crane to be onsite from October 14th 2024 - August 14th 2025. The filing is simply titled “CSI Mobile Cranes” and the GPS coordinates put it right near the former River Country. There should be more detailed info on the permit in the next week or so as it gets processed.

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MKeeler

Well-Known Member
I’ll settle for pulling the obnoxiously over the top characters out of the interior, a slight redressing of the exterior to tone down the modernity and make a bit more transportive, and a name change. All of which could be done, but I severely doubt will be.
 

Surfin' Tuna

Well-Known Member
There is little to no chance they will spend the money to redesign, because that would be spending the money. They will build it and someone will buy it. The location will sell it even if it means destroying the vibe of the place. It's really sad.
 

SpaceMountain77

Well-Known Member
I do not recall if it was someone within our community or posted on another board, but a member said they were part of a focus group where the name Disney's Colors of Nature Resort was discussed. I remember liking it much more than Reflections - A Disney Lakeside Lodge.
 

Doberge

True Bayou Magic
Premium Member
I’ll settle for pulling the obnoxiously over the top characters out of the interior, a slight redressing of the exterior to tone down the modernity and make a bit more transportive, and a name change. All of which could be done, but I severely doubt will be.

Sorry but you'll need to settle for the characters being blown up even bigger and moved outside to finally answer the question "What would a deluxe All Star Movies resort charging $500/night look like?"
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I am pulling for them cancelling the project officially...until they get a whole new team in there that wants to create beautiful thematic Disney resorts again..... Another boring usual design is not inspiring...there are enough hotels on property...
…no seriously…what’s your real opinion? 😂
 

CJR

Well-Known Member
This kind of reminds me of when they were building BLT and did not announce it right away. It could be a bit before we hear much officially. Gotta sell those Poly condos.
 

SomeInternetGuy

Well-Known Member
There should be more detailed info on the permit in the next week or so as it gets processed.

This FAA case finished its processing, and more details were added. They also filed cases for five additional cranes.

Construction of mobile cranes to construct a 10-story hotel. The mobile cranes can reach a max height of 240 ft. AGL when raised to its highest point. When idle, during non-working hours, the crane will be at a max height of 150 ft. AGL.

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