DAK 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

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celluloid

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Sir_Cliff said:
But if that's all we're talking about in terms of Encanto in the parks (all of them) at the moment, I still don't see why people are suggesting it is being pushed beyond its popularity.

If that film which has already demonstrated some staying power is judged not popular enough because some other franchises may sell more merchandise, we just end up with the kind of Toy Story over-saturation that we've all been complaining about because almost no film will prove popular enough.
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Honestly, funny that people bring up Emperor's New Groove as it is honestly comparable.

Emperor's New Groove was not a flop in theaters, but a disappointment.

Emperor's New Groove had incredible play with the culture of school children at the time and home video was very popular. The movie became quotable culture. Still to this day it holds on due to the meme internet generation.

Encanto was a disappointment in theaters. Home play through streaming could. Bruno was a viral internet quotable joke a couple of years ago.

So for people who scoff at Emperor's New Groove, the films are more similar than they are alike.

And yes, that is what we will end up with, because in order to sell merchandise and food that is good on its own, Disney has to let Imagineering and teams create those originally that feel organic to the world, and there is less and less than that all of the time.

If it was permitted, we would not be having this discussion, and new attractions would be being built with the frequency they should.
 
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MistaDee

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osian said:
Classic fairytales and stories and folklore is where I like to think Walt was coming from. A merging of movies into this is as an aim in itself is stretching it, though of course the organisation has expanded ever so slightly since he was involved, and public expectations may have changed. But how much of public expectations has been directly manipulated by Disney anyway pushing what they want people to want.
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Are you saying Walt was focused on some pure concept of fairytales and folklore and only begrudgingly included movies? From its founding Disneyland has always pushed synergy with its entertainment and merchandising offerings. It's obviously gotten a lot more extreme but there's been no philosophical change.

Walt was a creative genius but also a pretty ruthless businessman, the original Disneyland included a ton of IP tie ins and connections. The Jungle Cruise is connected to True-Life Adventures, Frontierland supported Davy Crockett, the Matterhorn was connected to "Third Man on the Mountain" the only fairy tales selected were those with Disney movies etc.
 
culturenthrills

culturenthrills

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They don’t need a 5th gate. All 4 parks don’t have the capacity that they need. They need to add capacity to all 4 parks. Never mind the cost of adding a 5th gate and running it. For years they got away with it but it’s not working anymore. MK is woefully under capacity. DAK and DHS still need more attractions. Epcot after 4 years of walls still needs more attractions to update a certain Imagination pavilion. I hope they never build a fifth gate and finally actually expand the capacity of the parks they have.
 
Rosso11

Rosso11

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MistaDee said:
Are you saying Walt was focused on some pure concept of fairytales and folklore and only begrudgingly included movies? From its founding Disneyland has always pushed synergy with its entertainment and merchandising offerings. It's obviously gotten a lot more extreme but there's been no philosophical change.

Walt was a creative genius but also a pretty ruthless businessman, the original Disneyland included a ton of IP tie ins and connections. The Jungle Cruise is connected to True-Life Adventures, Frontierland supported Davy Crockett, the Matterhorn was connected to "Third Man on the Mountain" the only fairy tales selected were those with Disney movies etc.
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Yea I always find it funny when people think Walt wouldn’t be pushing as much IP into the parks as Iger is today if he was alive. Walt was the king of cross promoting his IP across film, TV, merchandise and parks. He pretty much invented it. I can’t imagine what he would have done if he had the amount of IP to play with that the company has now.
 
Rich Brownn

Rich Brownn

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MistaDee said:
Are you saying Walt was focused on some pure concept of fairytales and folklore and only begrudgingly included movies? From its founding Disneyland has always pushed synergy with its entertainment and merchandising offerings. It's obviously gotten a lot more extreme but there's been no philosophical change.

Walt was a creative genius but also a pretty ruthless businessman, the original Disneyland included a ton of IP tie ins and connections. The Jungle Cruise is connected to True-Life Adventures, Frontierland supported Davy Crockett, the Matterhorn was connected to "Third Man on the Mountain" the only fairy tales selected were those with Disney movies etc.
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Heck, Disneyland's two main icons (The Castle and the Matterhorn) both came from movies, and the castle in particular is an IP icon (built to promote the forthcoming movie).
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Rich Brownn said:
Heck, Disneyland's two main icons (The Castle and the Matterhorn) both came from movies, and the castle in particular is an IP icon (built to promote the forthcoming movie).
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Sleeping Beauty Castle was not built to promote the movie. Do was always going to have a castle and it was at first just the generic Fantasyland Castle.

The shared setting of the Matterhorn Bobsleds doesn’t mean it came from Third Man on the Mountain. Both came out of Walt’s interests in winter sports which is what had first brought him to Zermatt.
 
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DisneyHead123

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Zummi Gummi said:
I don’t doubt it but it seems odd to remove the Boneyard. It’s quite popular and it’s such an easy re-theme from a paleontology dig site to an archaeology dig site. But 🤷‍♂️
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I like the Boneyard for littles but it’s nothing you wouldn’t find at a million indoor playgrounds. I can see them thinking that if families are paying Disney prices, they’re expecting something unique. (On that note, I know they have some kind of “Encanto Experience” type traveling play area, as I’m always getting ads for it on social media. Since that’s already designed, wonder if they will incorporate it?)
 
osian

osian

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Rosso11 said:
Yea I always find it funny when people think Walt wouldn’t be pushing as much IP into the parks as Iger is today if he was alive. Walt was the king of cross promoting his IP across film, TV, merchandise and parks. He pretty much invented it. I can’t imagine what he would have done if he had the amount of IP to play with that the company has now.
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"What Walt would have done" is disenguous because it's clear that by the time of his death he wasn't considering additonal theme parks but had changed his trajectory towards The Florida Project, which certainly had nothing to do with pushing Disney movies. The company then built a second park in the image of Disneyland but also took inspiration from the new vision when building EPCOT Center. Did they go against his principles when inititially not tying the park into Disney movies?
 
LSLS

LSLS

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Sir_Cliff said:
Moana is a phenomenon, but in 2024 Encanto is still routinely making the list of top ten most-streamed films. If that doesn't rise to the level of being popular enough to justify an attraction and some shows, then we'd better get ready for a future of four Moana theme parks at WDW.
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We are getting an Encanto show, Encanto ride (and maybe miniland), meet and greet, and Encanto in a character meal so far, represented in 3 parks and a resort. Now, been a while since I've been down, but I believe Frozen has a meet and greet, a show, and a ride (I don't think a character meal?) in 2 parks. Moana has a walkthrough garden and maybe a meet and greet in 2 parks? My point is that I find it odd that Encanto seems to be getting more representation than the much larger films.
 
Gusey

Gusey

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Disstevefan1 said:
This feels like a net loss to me, but it will be MANY MANY YEARS before I can be proved wrong.
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By the time it opens, enough time would have passed since Primeval Whirl closed for it to be considered a net gain of 1. Primeval Whirl has been closed for over 4 years now
 

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