Look,, if WDW is this crowded.. the OPEN A FIFTH PARK...

jloucks

jloucks

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Goofyernmost said:
That is a myth. There is a simple way to get it in and out. The lack of access is just an incorrect rumor. They don't want to fix it because it would result in many days with the attraction down and they waited long enough that the majority of riders are totally unaware of what the Yeti was supposed to do. No need to fix it. The Yeti was originally a good idea that didn't work, but it was only a small part of the ride so it didn't really matter or at least at this point, even known about the original. The coaster ride is the attraction, the Yeti was just a quick sighting in the ride.
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I was thinking the same thing. They wait long enough, it is just a static display.

Fixed!
 
jloucks

jloucks

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WondersOfLife said:
We need another resort on the east coast... I just wish Disney could handle it.

North Carolina would be good, in my opinion. (Also because I am one state under it.)
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Texas, we need a Texas location. It is central and has high population density, lots of airports, supplemental attractions, and friendly-ish people.

Weather is wacky, but transitions quickly. ...if that is a good thing?
 
networkpro

networkpro

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In the Parks
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jloucks said:
Texas, we need a Texas location. It is central and has high population density, lots of airports, supplemental attractions, and friendly-ish people.

Weather is wacky, but transitions quickly. ...if that is a good thing?
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If you were to rephrase your weather classification from wacky to lethal, you'd be more accurate. Now for population density, it's only an average of 109 per square mile for the state vs ~ 2.3k for DFW, 3.5K for Houston, 3K for Austin, and 3.2K for San Antonio. A lot of the state is fairly empty. In Jack county where we have a place it's 9 people to the square mile, but heavily concentrated around the county seat, imaginatively named Jacksboro.
 
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JMcMahonEsq

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Disstevefan1 said:
If we are talking about different locations, how about Texas?
I have never been there, but we have both coasts covered how about somewhere in the middle?

This is fun to discuss but we all know there will not be a fifth gate in FL or a new park in the US.

They can barely keep DLR and WDW working. I know, I know, folks are still coming, but all these folks deserve to arrive to a park that have attractions that are not down or broken.

They should funnel some of the money being used on Reimagining Tomorrow over to keeping the attractions working and while they are at it, fix that infamous restroom in EPCOT.
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If you are really interested in the idea of different potential locations for a Disney Park, I highly recommend reading Project Future by Chad Emerson. It is a detailed look into the process that was undertaken to both select Orlando as the next Disney Park after Disneyland, and the process they took to implement the plan. The first several chapters go into alternative areas in the US that were looked at as potential spots for DW. It really helps lay out what areas would/wouldn't be attractive for development.

Besides what the book goes into, I am not sure there really is a need for another domestic location outside of Orlando/Disneyland. How much domestic demand are you going to be cannibalizing creating a third park complex as opposed to getting new customers? And at a premium of needing to start from scratch as opposed to expanding local in place operations.
 
jloucks

jloucks

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networkpro said:
If you were to rephrase your weather classification from wacky to lethal, you'd be more accurate. Now for population density, it's only an average of 109 per square mile for the state vs ~ 2.3k for DFW, 3.5K for Houston, 3K for Austin, and 3.2K for San Antonio. A lot of the state is fairly empty. In Jack county where we have a place it's 9 people to the square mile, but heavily concentrated around the county seat, imaginatively named Jacksboro.
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That is a good point. "density" was a poor choice of words. My subconscious messes with me since I am in the heart of the Metroplexplex and I have family in all the major cities around the state. ...and it feels super packed in tight with people.

I should have said... Texas is great since it has a large population within 6 hours driving distance of most locations. ...not west Texas tho, they are out there on their own. :p
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

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JMcMahonEsq said:
If you are really interested in the idea of different potential locations for a Disney Park, I highly recommend reading Project Future by Chad Emerson. It is a detailed look into the process that was undertaken to both select Orlando as the next Disney Park after Disneyland, and the process they took to implement the plan. The first several chapters go into alternative areas in the US that were looked at as potential spots for DW. It really helps lay out what areas would/wouldn't be attractive for development.

Besides what the book goes into, I am not sure there really is a need for another domestic location outside of Orlando/Disneyland. How much domestic demand are you going to be cannibalizing creating a third park complex as opposed to getting new customers? And at a premium of needing to start from scratch as opposed to expanding local in place operations.
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Totally agree, as my post says, this discussion is all in fun and Disney can barely keep their two US locations working on top of other top priority work such as Reimagine Tomorrow…
 
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Lilofan

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Disstevefan1 said:
Totally agree, as my post says, this discussion is all in fun and Disney can barely keep their two US locations working on top of other top priority work such as Reimagine Tomorrow…
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The on again off again speculation of Disney building in TX is every several years but it is nice to dream..
 
WondersOfLife

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Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
jloucks said:
Texas, we need a Texas location. It is central and has high population density, lots of airports, supplemental attractions, and friendly-ish people.

Weather is wacky, but transitions quickly. ...if that is a good thing?
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My only complaint would be the heat.

One thing I like about going to Carowinds is that it never gets UNBEARABLY hot.
 
LittleMerman

LittleMerman

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I wish they would stop letting SO many people into the resorts. I get why they do but the experience is worse because of it. They keep building resorts which will bring even more people in. I know it's all based on money but I wish they cared more about the customer experience.
 
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bjlc57 said:
we are all complaining about the disney Greedy and Bob Cheapskate.. and ol' Bob says.. hey if you are gonna come then you are gonna pay for it.. Well if you want to relieve OVER CROWDING. OPEN ANOTHER PARK.. if you start today.. it can be open in a year.. IF YOU WANT TO DO IT.. Epcot was built in just over a year.. Magic Kingdom, in a year.. in the past.. it was we can't build it, its a recession.. we couldn't build it last year. it was covid.. well guess what.. no recession and covid has cut way back, and you have more money then GOD...and they are bringing more in ..in dump trucks each and every day.. BUILD ANOTHER PARK.. No excuse now..
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My responses to this:

  • This is a very guest centric plea. You're acting like its common sense. It might be common sense that it would benefit you, but you're not the decision maker -- Disney is. What to you would help with crowds and lower costs would cannibalize demand and possibly saturate supply from Disney's standpoint. Too much demand isn't a problem from Disney's perspective. The only justification for what you're talking about is to scale the business model. Not an unreasonable idea, but they'd have to do the research and come to a conclusion on if its profitable.
  • People have touched on this, but before building the fifth gate, they might want to first make DHS, Epcot, and DAK full and appropriately built up first. Those parks are pretty much down to about 10 rides apiece now (depending on how you define "rides" and what is currently running at the time). Some major regional amusement parks have over 70 rides in one gate alone. Sure, most of the rides are just flat rides and throwaway stuff like that, but realistically, the three gates I mentioned should have the capacity of Magic Kingdom (over 20 fully developed rides that will operate at a given time). Try that before the fifth gate.
  • Even short of #2, I do support an expansion of ride and entertainment supply -- even if Disney was unwilling to expand their current parks and a fifth gate was required. I reject the arguments that more supply would make things more crowded due to making the resort more attractive. There's a finite availability of customers, and not everyone is going to see Disney as their cup of tea. I think that the people who are into Disney, are going now. More ride throughput and entertainment options will give people a better crack at filling their day out without needing to spend most of it in line.
 
bjlc57

bjlc57

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well if for political or what ever reason.. my thoughts here still stand.. Disney should break ground on the fifth park NOW.. now is the time to strike .. for what ever reasons.. including you may not be able to in the future.. get the ground open NOW..
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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bjlc57 said:
well if for political or what ever reason.. my thoughts here still stand.. Disney should break ground on the fifth park NOW.. now is the time to strike .. for what ever reasons.. including you may not be able to in the future.. get the ground open NOW..
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From a business perspective…That would be financial malfeasance.
 

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