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Why cant we get this much effort and emotion for a new wdw ride?
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olinecoach61
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Well I think they are probably focused on avatar land for better or worse right now.
THEMEPARKPIONEER
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What About Epcot, they really need a new ride!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Empress Lilly
Well-Known Member
WDW already build a phenomenal second gate thirty years ago. It was build right. So it didn't need a $1.5 billion (I think it turned out that much) overhaul to turn it into something better than the parking lot it was before.
(All the effort and emotion was poured into Horizons and Imagination, elaborate state-of-the-art rides on an enormous scale, to be enjoyed for generations to come)
menamechris
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Lasseter doesn't care about WDW so much, because....well...he can't visit it all the time. I think the same goes for most of the people who "care" in CA. Why give it to FL, when you can build it in your own backyard? Just sayin...
Californian Elitist
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I don't think that's it. Lasseter worked at Disneyland, so the place is very special to him. You can't really blame him for that. I don't know about the others. I think it's because of the legendary status Disneyland has; it's Walt's park and it's the first if the Disney parks.
menamechris
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That's really just a nicer way of putting it. It's special to him, because it's his "home park". He worked at it, it's near him, etc. Probably the same with all the other CA suits making decisions these days. They look at numbers for WDW and say "Cool, looks good enough...do some discounts if attendance starts to drop." And then plan huge, exciting attractions and additions to Disneyland while WDW just kind of puts along. The only reason why DL isn't getting Avatar is because either a) lack of proper amount of space, or b) would not fit thematically anywhere else but DAK. It's not because they care about improving WDW....
To say it was walts park is wrong. Even though he created it and it was his first, he wasn't satisfied with it. Walt's park to me was always epcot. That was his baby.
lazyboy97o
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While EPCOT Center is based in ideas that originated with EPCOT, it is not Walt's EPCOT.
Californian Elitist
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I don't see how it's wrong, since it's the truth. Sure he felt some things could have been better but he did like and enjoy Disneyland. He designed the park, built it, oversaw it, lived there... The same thing can't be said for any other Disney park. Disneyland is Walt's baby, he obsessed over it. Walt Disney wasn't even alive to build Epcot. Epcot today, based on what people say here, isn't the same Epcot Walt Disney envisioned, so... Doesn't matter anyway, Disneyland still came first. That's a fact and it's the flagship park.
Californian Elitist
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I honestly think if they ever tried to bring Avatar Land to Disneyland, the West coast fans would seriously throw a hissy fit to the point where it would get canceled.
menamechris
Well-Known Member
Another good point...
Tom Morrow
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lol, instead, they did the opposite! Begin with greatness, deconstruct into mediocrity.
menamechris
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Just because it came first though doesn't make it the flagship park. Usually anything that is labeled "flagship" is the largest and most profitable, which most certainly is WDW. I think that is a huge issue with regular visitors of WDW - it is the largest, one of the most profitable, and probably the most critical piece of the P&R division puzzle, and yet it has been treated like crap in recent years by the heads of that division.
Californian Elitist
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Oh, I wasn't referring to DLR. WDW is by far the company's flagship resort. I was referring to the parks, alone. Disneyland is the flagship park, alone.
spacemt354
Chili's
Although Walt Disney's masterpiece while he was alive was Disneyland, he knew he could do better. His real dream was something bigger and better than Disneyland, something that nobody had done before. Epcot was his ultimate dream. Even though I never enter a park wondering what could have been, it makes me sad to think about all the possibilities for the park that can happen in the future but simply aren't.
Epcot was never supposed to be about the thrill rides. That's what the magic kingdom was for. It was supposed to be a community of the future. Although the city concept faded, the purpose of Epcot still remains true to walt's dream and I wish someone in Disney would have an inner desire to make Epcot Disney's flagship offering. They have taken a unique and incredible concept and they haven't even scrapped the surface of the park's potential. The seas with nemo? That's the best you can come up with for the living seas? How about a 20k ride there? Maybe not with the subs but something other than a cop out for kids. Captain eo? Really? Use your "imagination" people ... There has to be something better than a recycled 80s Michael Jackson movie out there. Then we have the wonders of life, which is currently empty and I have no idea why. Then we have the universe of energy, which really needs an update. Then we have innoventions which aside from the simulator and club cool is very pointless. I was walking in the innoventions hallways on the future world west recently and I noticed there is room for a people mover type system up there, another one of walt's ideas. That would be pretty cool it could go through innoventions the land and the living seas. Then there are the empty lots in world showcase for future countries that haven't come around yet.
Don't get me wrong. Epcot is one of my favorite parks in wdw. But when I walk through it I just think hmm the concept behind this was walt's vision for the future. Why isn't it all being utilized? The park is the size of the DLR so it's not like you don't have the space to improve. I'm usually not too critical on wdw because I enjoy it for what it is, but Epcot is always the park I want so much more out of.
Epcot was never supposed to be about the thrill rides. That's what the magic kingdom was for. It was supposed to be a community of the future. Although the city concept faded, the purpose of Epcot still remains true to walt's dream and I wish someone in Disney would have an inner desire to make Epcot Disney's flagship offering. They have taken a unique and incredible concept and they haven't even scrapped the surface of the park's potential. The seas with nemo? That's the best you can come up with for the living seas? How about a 20k ride there? Maybe not with the subs but something other than a cop out for kids. Captain eo? Really? Use your "imagination" people ... There has to be something better than a recycled 80s Michael Jackson movie out there. Then we have the wonders of life, which is currently empty and I have no idea why. Then we have the universe of energy, which really needs an update. Then we have innoventions which aside from the simulator and club cool is very pointless. I was walking in the innoventions hallways on the future world west recently and I noticed there is room for a people mover type system up there, another one of walt's ideas. That would be pretty cool it could go through innoventions the land and the living seas. Then there are the empty lots in world showcase for future countries that haven't come around yet.
Don't get me wrong. Epcot is one of my favorite parks in wdw. But when I walk through it I just think hmm the concept behind this was walt's vision for the future. Why isn't it all being utilized? The park is the size of the DLR so it's not like you don't have the space to improve. I'm usually not too critical on wdw because I enjoy it for what it is, but Epcot is always the park I want so much more out of.
menamechris
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Unfortunately, EPCOT is what it is. It doesn't have a castle, so it will never surpass Magic Kingdom in Disney's priorities, or in popularity. I think it is the second park most people think of when they think of WDW - and it has its good points, but in reality EPCOT has become a whole lot of dead space or wasted opportuntity for attractions. In fact, many areas are a sad reminder of the decline in overall Disney quality in the 90's. Something we still have never fully recovered from.
AswaySuller
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People are forgetting DCA was a really bad park, it's not like they've had this money spent on a park that wasn't broken because it was!
It's to bring it in line with the other parks, not make it better than.
And IMO from my experience of DCA it'll need more than a face lift and an (albeit very well done) land about an average movie!
It's to bring it in line with the other parks, not make it better than.
And IMO from my experience of DCA it'll need more than a face lift and an (albeit very well done) land about an average movie!
AswaySuller
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I agree 100%, so much so I'm not sure we'll even bother going next time.
Joshua&CalebDad
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I think another aspect to take into consideration is the fact that California has two parks as opposed to Florida's 4 parks. Florida is getting the FL expansion and supposedly Avatarland is also in the works. Florida also just got a new resort, albeit a value resort, AoA. All these things add up.
The FLE, I believe, is getting a lot of effort and emotion. The difference is that Carsland was opened up all at once, whereas FLE is having to be opened up in phases. I think the Mine Train ride is going to be great once its completed, we just have to be patient and wait.
When you really put things into perspective, you can't really compare Anaheim to Orlando, they are apples and oranges.
The FLE, I believe, is getting a lot of effort and emotion. The difference is that Carsland was opened up all at once, whereas FLE is having to be opened up in phases. I think the Mine Train ride is going to be great once its completed, we just have to be patient and wait.
When you really put things into perspective, you can't really compare Anaheim to Orlando, they are apples and oranges.