What you miss by using FP

danpam1024

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Original Poster
Went to Uni Aug 2-3 for a quick trip before school started for the kiddo. Didn't stay on property :eek::oops:, didn't shell out the ca$h for EP. This was the first time in a LONG time I didn't have EP. Anyway, we rode Mummy, Spidey, Doom, Bilage Rat Barges, and MIB in the stand-by line and I must say, I had NEVER seen the queues before! So my question is: Do you think you're missing out on some of the ride experiences as a whole by using EP?
 

JillC LI

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Maybe, but if your time is limited, you have to prioritize, and to most, the rides themselves are more important than the queues. In an ideal world, you could just walk through the queues at a reasonable pace to take in the details on the way to the ride. But that's not always the case if the parks are crowded. One queue I made sure to see in detail was FJ. I didn't want to miss that one.
 

BryceM

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You had not seem MIB's queue? Wasn't it great! One of my favorite queues on property, along with E.T., Mummy, Dr. Doom, Dueling Dragons (well, the old queue), Forbidden Journey and Spider-Man. I do like Popeye's also. It kind of reminds me of a cartoony seaside Big Thunder Mountain queue. If that makes sense.
 

HTF

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Just personally speaking but I wish Express and Fastpass were never created. The queues themselves are part of the experience and the story unfolds within it. I love venturing through queues and taking in all the details and easter eggs there creators left visitors to find. Not to mention if FP and Express were never created lines wouldn't be two hours long by noon everyday.
 

Scuttle

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Just personally speaking but I wish Express and Fastpass were never created. The queues themselves are part of the experience and the story unfolds within it. I love venturing through queues and taking in all the details and easter eggs there creators left visitors to find. Not to mention if FP and Express were never created lines wouldn't be two hours long by noon everyday.
Not to mention I love the build up to a ride as well. EE is a great example. I'd rather wait 20-30 minutes as opposed to 5 and not even experiencing the queue.
 

Tom Morrow

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One complaint I do have about Universal's Express pass is that many of the Express queues completely bypass everything interesting about the queues, and in some cases go through formerly backstage areas. With Disney's Fastpass lines, you usually see either the same queue or a condensed version of the standby queue.
Just personally speaking but I wish Express and Fastpass were never created. The queues themselves are part of the experience and the story unfolds within it. I love venturing through queues and taking in all the details and easter eggs there creators left visitors to find. Not to mention if FP and Express were never created lines wouldn't be two hours long by noon everyday.
Yep, though Express Pass has a significantly less impact on the standby line than Disney's Fastpass.
 

Skip

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One complaint I do have about Universal's Express pass is that many of the Express queues completely bypass everything interesting about the queues, and in some cases go through formerly backstage areas. With Disney's Fastpass lines, you usually see either the same queue or a condensed version of the standby queue.
Yep, though Express Pass has a significantly less impact on the standby line than Disney's Fastpass.

That's the problem you run into when you build a park not intending for a fastpass like service, and then need one later... you get queue "solutions" like Spider-Man, Hulk, Doom, Men in Black, and Dudley Do-Right's Ripsaw Falls's express/single riders queues. To their credit, in their newer attraction this issue has been mostly corrected (theoretically Forbidden Journey, Transformers, Mummy, Simpsons).
 

Clyde

Active Member
Let's keep things in perspective here.
Ques are all done up and have all those interesting things going on due to the fact that waiting on line stinks so badly. They simply needed to make it better to make it less painful to be waiting for the ride.

I go to theme parks for the rides not the Que. I never once considered going on vacation to the place with the nicest ques. :)
My son and I rode Thunder mtn 4 times ( among every other ride more than once) when we were there in Jan. We did this by masterfully using the fast pass in a way that my wife would never allow me to do were she with us. lol My son calls it the best Disney day ever. We bypassed every single que and went on more rides than ever.
He got to see the que lines during other trips we went there and ya know what? He could care less. It's all about the rides. If it wasn't I'd go to the museum.
 

lazyboy97o

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That's the problem you run into when you build a park not intending for a fastpass like service, and then need one later... you get queue "solutions" like Spider-Man, Hulk, Doom, Men in Black, and Dudley Do-Right's Ripsaw Falls's express/single riders queues. To their credit, in their newer attraction this issue has been mostly corrected (theoretically Forbidden Journey, Transformers, Mummy, Simpsons).
Let us not forget the biggest of these travesties, making people wait outside of the amazing queue for the Indiana Jones Adventure.
 

Skip

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Let us not forget the biggest of these travesties, making people wait outside of the amazing queue for the Indiana Jones Adventure.

Having had the privilege to visit Disneyland, that one killed me when I experienced the problem firsthand. There's so much incredibly detailed queue space in there that just goes to waste since you breeze right through it... plus it makes what would be an air-conditioned, immersive queuing experience a sweaty, dull, unpleasant one.

While we're on this subject (because it does fascinate me), the reasons I find the aforementioned attractions Express solutions so obnoxiously poor are as follows:

Hulk - For the Single Riders queue (previously the Exprress queue), you travel straight through a backstage area that is nothing but chain link fences with some off the shelf tubing. No real theming attempted. Worse, you enter the station through what was once an emergency exit, flooding unnecessary/unplanned lighting into the building, damaging the carefully constructed atmosphere.

Doctor Doom - Almost entirely the same situation as Hulk. You travel through a combination of emergency exits and the exit pathway, through a door that's supposed to remain shut to keep the pre-loading rooms dark and foreboding.

Dudley Do-Right - The Single Riders line takes you through an emergency exit down an extremely narrow, unpleasant industrial staircase. To their credit, they added some of the parody movie posters to help this space, but it's still pretty tacky. It used to be worse - for Express, you went through several unthemed, backstage rooms and industrial staircases (literally with no theming at all) to reach the loading station.

Men in Black - for Single Riders, you enter the same hallway as express, but you completely skip the main auditorium with the television and alien AA's, as well as the armory. Instead, you go down a long hallway (which is actually pretty in theme, with posters and a similar aesthetic to the rest of the attraction despite technically being backstage) - the issue is at the merge point, where you're left waiting next to a maintenance stairwell (which is filthy as all hell), covered only by a dust-ridden black curtain. Ew.

Honorable Mention - Cat in the Hat used to have the dishonor of being placed on this list, with the Express Queue being routed briefly outside the building into 100% backstage territory (this was years ago, I recall people calling it "sketchy") before re-entering the building and proceeding the loading area. Mercifully, Universal devised a new queuing situation where you remain in the main queuing space the entire time.
 

BryceM

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Having had the privilege to visit Disneyland, that one killed me when I experienced the problem firsthand. There's so much incredibly detailed queue space in there that just goes to waste since you breeze right through it... plus it makes what would be an air-conditioned, immersive queuing experience a sweaty, dull, unpleasant one.

While we're on this subject (because it does fascinate me), the reasons I find the aforementioned attractions Express solutions so obnoxiously poor are as follows:

Hulk - For the Single Riders queue (previously the Exprress queue), you travel straight through a backstage area that is nothing but chain link fences with some off the shelf tubing. No real theming attempted. Worse, you enter the station through what was once an emergency exit, flooding unnecessary/unplanned lighting into the building, damaging the carefully constructed atmosphere.

Doctor Doom - Almost entirely the same situation as Hulk. You travel through a combination of emergency exits and the exit pathway, through a door that's supposed to remain shut to keep the pre-loading rooms dark and foreboding.

Dudley Do-Right - The Single Riders line takes you through an emergency exit down an extremely narrow, unpleasant industrial staircase. To their credit, they added some of the parody movie posters to help this space, but it's still pretty tacky. It used to be worse - for Express, you went through several unthemed, backstage rooms and industrial staircases (literally with no theming at all) to reach the loading station.

Men in Black - for Single Riders, you enter the same hallway as express, but you completely skip the main auditorium with the television and alien AA's, as well as the armory. Instead, you go down a long hallway (which is actually pretty in theme, with posters and a similar aesthetic to the rest of the attraction despite technically being backstage) - the issue is at the merge point, where you're left waiting next to a maintenance stairwell (which is filthy as all hell), covered only by a dust-ridden black curtain. Ew.

Honorable Mention - Cat in the Hat used to have the dishonor of being placed on this list, with the Express Queue being routed briefly outside the building into 100% backstage territory (this was years ago, I recall people calling it "sketchy") before re-entering the building and proceeding the loading area. Mercifully, Universal devised a new queuing situation where you remain in the main queuing space the entire time.
Again, these are perfect examples of attractions where the Express queue was shoehorned into the ride space.

Though it is no excuse. They should go back and put work into bettering the Express/Single Rider lines so they aren't so stark and un-themed. And I agree 100% about the Hulk single riders line. You literally walk underneath the coaster track itself in a concrete backstage area, and it's extremely ugly. For this reason, I usually wait in the standby line, even if it is a 30 minute wait or more. I just can't stand the single riders line.

And the last time I rode Men In Black I did the Single Riders line like mentioned, but there was a door open which lead to the large room with the alien AAs, and was just kept separated from the Standby line, even through the armory. I swear this is how it went, but correct me if they changed it recently. Or maybe I'm just going crazy... o_O
 

OFTeric

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I think that FastPass and ExpressPass turn a necessary part of the theme park business, and make it a negative. They make people focus on the negative aspect of queuing, instead of enjoying what Universal Creative and Imagineers have done, by turing the queue into part of the story telling experience.

I wish it didn't exist.
 

Tom Morrow

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I think that FastPass and ExpressPass turn a necessary part of the theme park business, and make it a negative. They make people focus on the negative aspect of queuing, instead of enjoying what Universal Creative and Imagineers have done, by turing the queue into part of the story telling experience.

I wish it didn't exist.
And then if you do choose to enter the standby line to enjoy the details, you have to endure an artificially inflated wait time and much slower moving line thanks to Fastpass and Express Pass (though again, Express Pass doesn't affect the line as much as Disney's Fastpass/GAC card scammer line.
 

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