Just imagine if Walt was still alive today I wonder what he would have thought of Mission Space or Tower of Terror for that matter!
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Walt Would Have loved Mission Space!
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Dayma
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I think he would have liked it but I also feel that Walt would have wanted MORE family rides such as Darkrides. He vision was place where families could go and enjoy the parks together. I just feel Eisner is feeling the pressure to compete with Universal which is causing the park to go a way in which Walt did not envision...
Just my opinion
Just my opinion
RickEff
Active Member
Originally posted by blackride
I think he would have liked it but I also feel that Walt would have wanted MORE family rides such as Darkrides. He vision was place where families could go and enjoy the parks together. I just feel Eisner is feeling the pressure to compete with Universal which is causing the park to go a way in which Walt did not envision...
Just my opinion
That's probably an accurate assessment, but to be fair times HAVE changed. There wasn't any competition when DisneyLand or WDW were born, other than very poorly done thrill parks. Now - there is competition. Also - look at the movies that were made in between the 40s to the end of the 60s and compare it to what we have today - it's a different audience.
I don't think that WDW has lost its family focus. I just think families have changed. This is NOT to take away from anything Walt did - just that I think Walt himself would have to do things differently if he were around today.
Walt's original vision always took into consideration that DL was going to be a work in progress, ever changing. He built that into the design of the parks.
Take care!
Rick
ToTallToSlow112
Member
I like the idea...
I like the idea of thrill rides it offers fun for the older members of the family. But i don't understand why WDI can't design a ride like the Haunted Mansion any more. Given the many movies they have to choose from why can't we have an Aladdin dark ride or a Alice in Wonderland dark ride. The Haunted Mansion is tame but still offers amazment at every turn of your Doombuggy, providing fun for all ages. Maybe after Everest WDI will focus on something more Disney-like but truely they need to compete with Spiderman I mean have you seen that ride. It was hard for me to admit that Universal had the most advanced ride but maybe Mission: Space will out do it with out copying it.
I like the idea of thrill rides it offers fun for the older members of the family. But i don't understand why WDI can't design a ride like the Haunted Mansion any more. Given the many movies they have to choose from why can't we have an Aladdin dark ride or a Alice in Wonderland dark ride. The Haunted Mansion is tame but still offers amazment at every turn of your Doombuggy, providing fun for all ages. Maybe after Everest WDI will focus on something more Disney-like but truely they need to compete with Spiderman I mean have you seen that ride. It was hard for me to admit that Universal had the most advanced ride but maybe Mission: Space will out do it with out copying it.
tomman710
Well-Known Member
I think he would have liked it alot because it keeps in theme with what Epcot was supposed to stand for, innovating. They are always changing, displaying new technology, and advancements. I think this is perfect for Epcot. I think this is a family friendly ride. I think every ride there is family friendly. I don't think it's fair to call thrill rides un-family friendly because they are thrill rides. I know all ages of my family get on them and most other families as well. I do think more dark rides, in line with Haunted Mansion would be cool for variety. I don't think that they think they need to keep up with Universal. There really isn't any competition from Universal, because they are so far behind them in every category except being crappy. However, back to topic, I think Walt would like Mission Space and where the direction the parks are going, except maybe the closures of some classics and his favorties like the Carousel of Progress.
stingrock23
Active Member
come on tomman, be a little objective. Universal has done some amazing things recently. There's always competition.
Now does Disney outdraw Universal? yeah they do. by far. But Universal isn't crappy. But i dont' want to turn this into a universal vs disney debate, that's already been beaten to death.
But I agree that times have changed and if Walt were around today, I think he would enjoy creating big themed e-ticket attractions. I do also think, however, that he would still create classic dark rides, and I too wish Disney would make more. Classic Disney dark rides, to me, are what truly distinguishes Disney from the rest. And I know that Disney has not made many dark rides lately, but their parks will always have to have them because families will continue to flock there. I think omnivover rides are some of the best, and i'm sad to see that world of motion and horizons are gone, but Space looks like it's worth it, and at least we still have Spaceship earth. for now , anyway.
Now does Disney outdraw Universal? yeah they do. by far. But Universal isn't crappy. But i dont' want to turn this into a universal vs disney debate, that's already been beaten to death.
But I agree that times have changed and if Walt were around today, I think he would enjoy creating big themed e-ticket attractions. I do also think, however, that he would still create classic dark rides, and I too wish Disney would make more. Classic Disney dark rides, to me, are what truly distinguishes Disney from the rest. And I know that Disney has not made many dark rides lately, but their parks will always have to have them because families will continue to flock there. I think omnivover rides are some of the best, and i'm sad to see that world of motion and horizons are gone, but Space looks like it's worth it, and at least we still have Spaceship earth. for now , anyway.
imagineer boy
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You're right, but lets not bring up a Disney vs. Universal fight again.
Walt Would definately love Mission: Space. The reason Disney hasn't come up with a good ride like Haunted Mansion in a while and ended up with budget cut rides is because of non other than the bad and evil Paul Pressler. Now he's gone!:sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy: So let the good times roll!!!!!!!! NOw with Mission: Space opening soon, it will definately give all of Disney's competition including Universal a BIG run for their money.
Sir Hiss527
New Member
I'm sure he would love them, Maybe? He would love the project of "PhilarMagic". M;S on the other hand...:veryconfu
Bayou_Tigerfan
New Member
If I hear any more whining that Disney doesn't build family-friendly attractions any more, I'm going to puke.
It was only a few years ago that Disney opened an entire park of family-oriented attractions. It's called Animal Kingdom. The only "thrill" ride in the park, Dinosaur, is not a coaster and doesn't contain any drops, meaning that most families can still ride it together. (By the way, please don't try to argue that Kali is a thrill ride, because it's not).
The centerpiece of the park is basically an omnimover dark ride, except that it's not dark and the figures are alive instead of animatronic.
Please also keep in mind that Disney has realized that it can entertain families more efficiently in many cases with live shows and in 3-D theatres, both of which have greatly expanded in recent years.
The simple fact is that Disney had lagged in developing thrilling attractions because they are expensive. Because of this, they started to lose market share. Now, they are catching up. Period.
It was only a few years ago that Disney opened an entire park of family-oriented attractions. It's called Animal Kingdom. The only "thrill" ride in the park, Dinosaur, is not a coaster and doesn't contain any drops, meaning that most families can still ride it together. (By the way, please don't try to argue that Kali is a thrill ride, because it's not).
The centerpiece of the park is basically an omnimover dark ride, except that it's not dark and the figures are alive instead of animatronic.
Please also keep in mind that Disney has realized that it can entertain families more efficiently in many cases with live shows and in 3-D theatres, both of which have greatly expanded in recent years.
The simple fact is that Disney had lagged in developing thrilling attractions because they are expensive. Because of this, they started to lose market share. Now, they are catching up. Period.
tomman710
Well-Known Member
People of all ages will get sick, that doesn't make it not a family ride. I am willing to bet that seniors, adults, teens, and children will all be riding it. Obviously there are height restrictions, but I am sure there will be numerous young children riding it and people of all ages and sexes. To me that says if the whole family is gonna ride it, which many families will be, then it shouldn't be called specifically "not a family ride." That's all I was saying. Plus it seems like it's pretty interactive within the pod so it gives you a chance to work together, thus sort of promoting unity. Hence, another reason I think Walt would have really dug this ride.
Dayma
Well-Known Member
Can someone actually point to any numbers showing Disney was loosing market share?
If there are a lot of people saying this its obvious that people are concerned. Its not a bad thing that people care about the parks that they want to bring there kids too. I refuse to buy into the DVC until I know the directions of the parks. If its not going to be as kid friendly as when they opened it then it may sway my decision....
You do realize that "thrill" rides such as hulk at IOA and other basic outdoor coasters are dirt cheap. Were talking 10 mil at the most. Disney did not build thrill rides because that was not who disney was. Rides like Horizons and SpaceShip Earth may seem cheap, boring and none thrilling to some. However, these rides cost far more to build than Hulk or any other cheap "thrill" ride around. Mission: Space is a true thrill attraction. Quality attraction with great attention to detail beats a quick thrill anyday.
Bayou_Tigerfan
New Member
Um, well, yeah. As long as you're talking about simple coasters, that's true. If you think that Universal's soaring popularity is mainly due to its coasters, you need to visit and check out what the park has to offer. I don't know exactly what Spiderman cost, but I know that it wasn't cheap.
Would I go to WDW to ride a coaster? No, and I don't really even like the coasters that they have. For me, RnR is too short, BTMRR is lame, and SM is too rough -- not that I don't ride them (because I do), but I wouldn't go to WDW just for them.
My point is that Disney has invested massive amounts of money in the last 7 to 8 years to family-oriented attractions like Kilamanjaro Safaris and live shows and 3-D theatres.
When you compare what's been built for families to the "thrill" attractions, there's really a good balance.
Big Pooh
New Member
First of all....GEAUX TIGERS!!!!!
Second...You're wasting your breath arguing with these people about thrill rides. Some of the people on this and every other Disney msg board in the world are so against thrill rides that every time Disney opens anything CLOSE to a thrill ride they start talking about Walt turning over in his grave...nevermind the fact he was cremated and turning over is impossible...:lol: :animwink: I personally think there is a nice balance between family friendly rides and "thrill" rides at WDW. I do wish they would open a dark ride at AK before EE opens, but it has nothing to do with EE being a thrill ride. AK just needs a darkride. I have a feeling Walt would have liked M:S because of the technology involved, just like I think he would have liked Splash, ToT, Space Mtn, Buzz, and a lot of the other new rides out there. People tend to forget that Walt has been dead 37 years. Walt was shaped by the world around him and that world has changed a lot since he died. M:S or ToT would have terrified the Walt of 1966 because the technology to make both of them work was'nt out there yet. But had he lived long enough I think he would have built them and others like them. I dare say there would be more cutting edge rides at WDW than there are now.
Cheers :wave:
I agree, times have changed. I think people expect more thrilling rides now, but not all thrill rides have to be coasters. look at dinosaur at animal kingdom. it's a dark ride yet more family friendly then a roller coaster. I am all for thrill rides. look at the teacups, in it's day it was pretty thrilling, but technology has changed, and walt realised that when he designed the parks. and disney still has the best MIX. for every thrill ride there is another attraction for the rest of the family. and in that is where disney stands out. where at universal especially IOA, it has some non thrill rides, but really there isn't allot to do inbetween the coasters. I think walt would love mission space. to see what the astronauts feel during a space mission. Remember Mission to mars. walt tried to do it with seats and a movie screen, now with technology it has been done. I think walt would be proud.