touring plans resort predictions

disneyfan200

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does anyone know how touring plans estimates the resort crowd calendar..I know it's a best guess for the parks crowd calendar based on busy times of past years,holidays etc. but do they guess at resort crowds or do they have inside info...cause I'm doing fake bookings on disneys site to see how crowded the resorts are gonna be the week of feb. 23rd - feb.28th and they are pretty booked and touring plans has mostley 5s for those days? anybody know why?
 

Weather_Lady

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You might want to try e-mailing touringplans directly to inquire. I'm a subscriber and I've e-mailed them to ask a couple of specific questions about their calculations in the past (e.g., do wait time estimates take early morning magic and/or EMH into account for those arriving at regular opening times? etc.), and they've always gotten back to me with a prompt and thorough response.
 

DisneyJoe

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I'm doing fake bookings on disneys site to see how crowded the resorts are gonna be the week of feb. 23rd - feb.28th and they are pretty booked and touring plans has mostley 5s for those days? anybody know why?
Disney has roughly 27000 resort rooms onsite. There are many more than that offsite. TouringPlans crowd levels deal with the parks, not the resorts.
 

jgj123

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The 28th is Mardi Gras, so you get a lot of people from Louisiana and the Gulf Coast regions who go to Disney that week (2/25 - 3/4) to escape the Mardi Gras madness at home.

We will be going as will 2 local school's dance team and band and parents and relatives.....
 

disneyfan200

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The 28th is Mardi Gras, so you get a lot of people from Louisiana and the Gulf Coast regions who go to Disney that week (2/25 - 3/4) to escape the Mardi Gras madness at home.

We will be going as will 2 local school's dance team and band and parents and relatives...All the posts are positive info but you guys are missing the question..why would the #s be 5s instead of 9s or 10s if there is a high occupancy.i'm not questioning if a lot of people are going to be there i'm questioning why the resort prediction isn't higher on the touring plans web site.If I can go onto the Disneyworld web site and not be able to find a room then the crowd calendar should reflect that...
 

21stamps

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@lentesta was great in answering a question before and after my trip.

He may be able to give some insight to you here.

Disney has roughly 27000 resort rooms onsite. There are many more than that offsite. TouringPlans crowd levels deal with the parks, not the resorts.

I thought the "resort crowd level" was the over all feel of the property, and then park specific for the other crowd levels?
 

DisneyJoe

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@lentesta was great in answering a question before and after my trip.

He may be able to give some insight to you here.



I thought the "resort crowd level" was the over all feel of the property, and then park specific for the other crowd levels?

From this https://touringplans.com/walt-disney-world/crowd-levels/ the majority is based on the wait times gathered over many years between the park hours of 10am to 5pm.


Touring Plans Crowd Calendar

We at Touring Plans define a 'crowd' as the average posted wait time for the key attractions between 10:00 am and 5:00 pm. We selected this definition for many reasons.

  • It is data-driven, using data that we can collect
  • It relates best to the other definitions listed above
  • It has fixed park hours to make fair comparisons between parks
  • It can be objectively evaluated for accuracy
That last one is important. Two guests who tour the Magic Kingdom on the same day may not agree on how the crowd felt. It will depend greatly on their personal perspective: what time of year they usually visit the parks, how experienced they are, what touring plan they used, etc. However, we all ought to agree on what the average posted wait time was between 10:00 am and 5:00 pm.
 

Rob562

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All the posts are positive info but you guys are missing the question..why would the #s be 5s instead of 9s or 10s if there is a high occupancy.i'm not questioning if a lot of people are going to be there i'm questioning why the resort prediction isn't higher on the touring plans web site.If I can go onto the Disneyworld web site and not be able to find a room then the crowd calendar should reflect that...

The overall answer that everyone above has been posting a piece of is that Disney *hotel* occupancy does not reflect *park* crowds.

Disney's hotels have a consistent occupancy rate (I've heard 90%+) year-round. Yes, at the busiest times of the year most Disney resorts will sell out, but even during a slow period, those resorts are still pretty full because Disney runs special offers.

This means that the guests staying in the Disney hotels create a "base level" of crowds in the parks. But the Disney hotels only account for a fraction of the total number of hotel rooms in the greater Orlando area. What drives how busy the parks are is how full ALLLLLL of the area hotels in Kissimmee, Orlando, Lake Buena Vista, etc are. The crowds who stay off-site are the true factor that drives how busy the parks are. So the only way to link hotel occupancy to park crowds would be to somehow be able to know how busy every hotel near Disney is.

And Disney knows that an empty room is a room that's making $0. So when they offer big discounts or special offers like Free Dining in the off-season, some of it is to entice people to make trips they weren't planning on taking, but also to entice people who may have been going and staying off-site to now perhaps change their plans to move on-site.

But of course hotel occupancy is just a small portion of that. Is there an event that driws in locals like Food & Wine? Is there an event (like the previously mentioned Half Marathon or a convention) that may bring a lot of people who stay in the hotels but don't spend a lot of time in the parks?

It's a very complicated system to factor things into, and I think Touring Plans do a very good job at that.

-Rob
 

lentesta

Premium Member
I got the same question over on our (TouringPlan's) forums. Here's what I wrote there:

A few points:

1) Disney doesn't share its hotel occupancy numbers with us. We get some of that anyway, because we have contacts who are sympathetic to what we're trying to do. But it's not comprehensive. (And it probably doesn't matter - see below.)

2) The research team at VisitOrlando.com also puts out hotel occupancy data.

3) As far as we can tell, hotel occupancy is not a great predictor of how long you're going to wait in line.​

I'll explain that last thing a bit more.

Every time we collect a wait time (say, "20 minutes at Space Mountain"), we attach to that wait time, a couple hundred other pieces of data. The date and time are two obvious things that go along with the wait time:
  • The wait time at Space Mountain is 20 minutes at 9:14 a.m. on Monday, January 9, 2017
We also keep track of things like whether it's an EMH morning or afternoon, the EMH and special event schedule across every park, and what the EMH/event schedule was at each park over the last few days and the next few days.

We also know about school schedules, holidays, the weather today, yesterday, and tomorrow, and so on. We even track the state of the U.S., Canadian, British, and Brazilian economies over the last few months.

Like I said, literally hundreds of other pieces of data - anything that you might reasonably think of as affecting wait times, we've probably tried.

We've tried looking at hotel occupancy in our models. It never comes up as one of the top 20 or so predictors of a good general model for wait times.

Conventions, for one thing, tend to increase resort occupancy without affecting wait times much. For example, Primerica has two 5,000-person WDW conferences coming up from 1/16-1/19 and 1/23-1/26. But except for two days where they're renting out DHS in the evening, those folks are going to be stuck in meetings all day. For the most part, they're not going to be standing in line at Space Mountain at noon.

Finally, the methods we've tested when creating these models include:
  • regression
  • support vector machines
  • decision trees
  • random forests
  • extremely randomized trees
  • k-neighbor
  • gaussian process classifiers
  • naive bayes classifiers
  • XGboost's boosted trees
  • "ensemble" methods that are collections of the above (including low-correlation ensemble methods)
  • "stacked" methods where the output of one of the above is the input into another of the above
  • Google's TensorFlow deep learning neural network software
We could be wrong about 2/23 - there might be something we've overlooked or not updated. But having looked at the crowd cal prediction process in detail for the last few months, I'm confident it's the best method anyone has come up with.
 

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