Theme parks battle to rule the yuletide

General Grizz

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Theme parks battle to rule the yuletide

By Robert Johnson | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted November 11, 2002

The Christmas season is the next great battleground for Orlando's theme parks.

With Universal Orlando having just emerged as the big winner of Halloween -- Walt Disney World having largely conceded that edgy turf for years now -- the Grinch and an airborne armada from the annual Macy's parade are taking aim at The Mouse and its long-time rule of all things yule.

"We're going to be as aggressive as we can," said Gretchen Hoffman, vice president of marketing for Universal's two local parks, Islands of Adventure and Universal Studios. Universal is more than doubling it's array of Christmas entertainment this year by bringing in the Macy's Holiday Parade, a smaller version of the annual Thanksgiving Day extravaganza staged in New York City by the venerable retailer.

The parade, at Universal Studios, will include a dozen or so of the huge balloon characters -- such as Curious George, the mischievous monkey of children's book fame -- that are so big and buoyant that each must be kept from flying away by dozens of parade workers clutching ropes. The parade will march at least once a day from Dec. 13 through Jan. 5.

Disney World's Christmas additions are more modest -- a bigger tree here and a larger walk-through gingerbread house there -- but that's mainly because its theme parks are already bristling with everything from the popular Candlelight Processions at Epcot to the display of 5 million "Osborne Christmas Lights" at MGM-Studios.

This year is a rare one in which Disney isn't increasing the number of lights in the Osborne display, which it obtained from an Arkansas family whose exhibit -- the object of a much-publicized state Supreme Court case -- simply grew too big for their residential neighborhood. But Disney World officials do promise a surprise: Special holographic glasses will enable guests to see angels glowing among the lights.

"No one can get near us for Christmas," said Linda Warren, Disney World's executive vice president of marketing.

Why would Universal bother trying? Because the prime-time Christmas market has taken on increased importance amid the travel slump caused by last year's terrorism attacks in New York and Washington, D.C.

What's more, getting people in the holiday spirit is far less expensive than adding an attraction that requires a commitment to brick-and-mortar. "Garland is a lot cheaper than a new $50 million ride," said John Robinett, senior vice president at Economics Research Associates, a Los Angeles entertainment consultant.

Theme-park attendance around Thanksgiving and between Christmas and New Year's Day is usually 10 percent to 20 percent higher than most other times of the year, Robinett estimated. And "holiday special events are a great way to entice the local market," he said. "So many of them [area residents] only go to the parks once in the summer and then not again for a year. But having more that's fresh at Christmas might get them to make a second visit."

Some tourists think the theme parks make Christmas more special. "We have come to Orlando at Christmastime before and it's great. The decorations and the atmosphere really make it feel like a holiday," said Bill Petrie, a sheet-metal worker from Buffalo, N.Y., who visited Disney and Universal in early November this year take advantage of a discounted airline-and-hotel package.

Even Orlando's No. 3 park, SeaWorld, is getting in on the Christmas push this year for the first time. The home of Shamu the killer whale will offer a walk-through gallery of 21 life-size sculptures based on seasonal Saturday Evening Post covers painted decades ago by famed illustrator Norman Rockwell.

Most of the theme parks' Christmas events are included in the price of a regular admission, unlike the separate admission charged by Universal's popular Halloween Horror Nights, which ended Nov. 2 after 21 evenings. Many of the Christmas celebrations are offered as sweeteners, to lure guests at a time of the year when they are most likely to be shopping instead.

In years past, Universal has been inclined to sit on its Halloween laurels in early November, rather than get pushing to put up Christmas holly. But not this year.

Islands of Adventure workers were already busy last week painting and otherwise sprucing up the Grinch's Lair, a walk-through attraction in which guests visit the green character's grungy home. They can even sit in his custom-made steel sled, which shudders when someone sits in it as if it has just bumped over a mogul in the snow.

This year, Universal workers toting Christmas decorations into the park are passing colleagues still carrying Halloween stuff out to a warehouse. "From blood-and-guts one day to ornaments and glitter the next," said Kim Gromoll, Universal Orlando's scenic manager.

Universal's seasonal efforts are aimed not only at locals but out-of-state tourists as well, said Hoffman, the marketing vice president. "Business still isn't back to where we would like to see it, but aside from international business, we're growing." The Macy's parades, she reasoned, "are a great opportunity to bring in the most popular street entertainment in the country."

More street entertainment has been the battle cry for nearly a year from Bob Gault, who was made president of Universal Orlando last fall, soon after the post-Sept. 11 slump set in. Gault added street performers with more elaborate shows and while some of those have been dropped, at least temporarily, his creative team is still experimenting with characters and acts to pump life into the park as guests walk between rides and other permanent attractions.

Universal is also adding an ice rink this year in its CityWalk entertainment district where visitors may rent skates -- or bring their own. Snow-making machines will turn parts of CityWalk white at certain times of the day and night from Nov. 29 to Dec. 30. And horse-drawn carriages will be added to help give the shopping-and-restaurant complex a traditional atmosphere.

The Grinch, star of Dr. Seuss' 1957 Christmas storybook, the 1966 cartoon adaptation and the 2000 movie starring Jim Carrey, returns to Universal for his third year in Islands of Adventure -- but this time with a beefed-up musical show that boasts more than 20 dancers and singers.

The Grinch has already outflanked Disney World's Christmas tactics in a bid for some national attention: Just last Friday, Universal publicists landed an actor playing the rude, green imp a spot on CBS's Early Morning television show.

Despite trailing Disney World in number of theme parks -- two vs. four -- and hotels -- three vs. 20 -- Universal Orlando has a good shot at increasing its share of the Christmas market, according to Robinett, of Economics Research. "They don't need to catch Disney, just add to their business. And freshening your product can do that."

He noted that Branson, Mo., a music-hall mecca for country music fans, has become a major regional attraction at Christmastime in recent years. "They got nothing at Christmas until they decided to decorate the whole town like a Christmas village. Now it's a huge time for Branson," he said.

Attractions in Branson include music theaters owned by the likes of singer Andy Williams, whose Christmas specials on network television were popular in the 1960s and '70s. Another theater there is owned by the Osmond brothers, who were frequent guests on his Christmas shows.

When it comes to Christmas tradition, of course, Disney has the advantage of critical mass.

Consider that in its massive Holiday Services warehouse are stored such treasures as 1,600 artificial Christmas trees, at heights ranging from 2 to 70 feet, and 15 miles of garland.

"Christmas is getting bigger every year," said Barry Stockwell, a warehouse supervisor who also oversees the design and development of new decorations. The models for new ornaments, wreaths and other items are built there and then farmed out to vendors who make the hundreds or thousands needed.

Work on Christmas decorations continues year round at Disney. "I have no visions of sugar plums. None," said Teresa Dickerson, a decoration maker. "When I leave here, my vision is to try and forget about Christmas for a while."

Across town, meanwhile, the upstarts seem energized this year.

"The real competition among the theme parks for Christmas is just starting. And we're in it," said Universal's Hoffman. Being newer to the Christmas game is a plus for Universal, she insisted, because her parks' characters are fresher in the fray.

"Everyone has a Santa Claus," she said, "but only we have the Grinch."

Robert Johnson can be reached at 407-420-5664 or rwjohnson@orlandosentinel.com.


Copyright © 2002, Orlando Sentinel
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pheneix

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Universal's best shot at kicking Disney between the legs this Christmas will be the local market and getting daily attendance off of them, and I think that they might do it. Universal has been gaining the support of the locals much easier than Disney has (Disney even admitted to that in their conference call), and with their easily marketable offerings (Macy's and the Grinch have much more name recognition.

I think even more important than the major events will be just how much Universal does for it's parks as far as decorations and smaller special events go. Most of the stuff that Disney offers during it's Very Merry Christmas Party at the Magic Kingdom they offer for free with admission at Disneyland Park (the extra music, snow, live entertainment, etc.). Universal also seems to be offering that for FREE at Citywalk. Remember, it's always easy to market something for free, especially when the competition charges for them.

>>>"No one can get near us for Christmas," said Linda Warren, Disney World's executive vice president of marketing.<<<

Universal is more than capable of doing Disney in. Just look at their domination in the Halloween market (not in terms of demographics but in terms of sheer numbers of people that turn out for the event).
 

wed050499

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Hey everyone,

I agree with a few things that pheneix said and the only thing I will come right out and disagree with is the marketability of Macy's and the Grinch versus Disney. Disney remains the third most recognized name in the world, neither Macy's or the Grinch will top that anytime soon.

The contest over whether Universal will take over Disney's top spot as Holiday King is a mixed one, I think. Universal may take over spots of the local market, but there are people who live in florida who I know from tampa to daytona to miami who plan their holidays on a trip to see the candlelight processional or the very merry christmas party or the osburne festival of lights. These are the people Disney mostly wants to attract at any time of the year. Disney's business mostly comes from these repeat visitors. Universal is going for new visitors, simply because attendance has been poor all year long as it is (in their financial report, it's been said off by 30% at some points of the year, you'll have to check their website on that or fortune magazing on that)

Also, Disney's hotels are already predicting high 90% capacity for the Christmas season. Disney will still hold onto their domestic and international Christmas markets without a problem i think. If these folks make the trip to Universal for a day, so what, it won't hurt Disney especially if these same people are spending the other 6 days of their vacation at Disney.

Just my thoughts,
Brian
 

Testtrack321

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If the parade is anything like the NYC one, expcet LOTS of delyas, problems, and other glitches (anyone remember the time Big Bird killed that one lady?)

And the Grinch seems very, well, old. The DVD came out a while ago. I can only see this as an old feature brought back with no improvments.

I think it will be a stale mate this year. Universal ganing nothing, Disney losing nothing.
 

Sherm00

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I think it's just 2 diffrent aproches. Universal is capitializing on the modern and capitalistic christmas, grinch and the macy's parade for example. Disney I think capitializez on the romantic side of christmas, candle light processional, MVMCP, etc. it is a mixed feeling.
 

pheneix

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>>>Disney remains the third most recognized name in the world, neither Macy's or the Grinch will top that anytime soon.<<<

It's not a fight between Disney andthe Grinch, but rather offerings like the Osbourne Lights vs. the Macy's Parade. Macy's has much more clout than Disney's offerings.

>>>Universal is going for new visitors, simply because attendance has been poor all year long as it is (in their financial report, it's been said off by 30% at some points of the year<<<

To clear that up, they have only said that Universal Japan's attendance was down. Universal's domestic parks are up for the year (attendance, not revenues), the exception being USF*.

>>>Also, Disney's hotels are already predicting high 90% capacity for the Christmas season.<<<

That's nothing new. Universal's resorts will likely be booked solid for the week.

>>>If the parade is anything like the NYC one, expcet LOTS of delyas, problems, and other glitches<<<

Universal will do a MUCH better job of putting on the parade than the city of NYC will.

* BTW, VUE's 3rd quarter report cites a decline in attendance. I would imagine that they are citing lower attendance from USH and USJ, as UO stated in the above article that they are growing in all markets except international. It should be stated that the only park that Universal owns outright is Universal Studios Hollywood, and thus USH has a tremendous effect on Universal Recreation's revenues that the other parks do not have (Universal holds a 30%-ish stake in USJ, a roughly equal amount in Port Aventura, and a 50% stake in UO. All of this information will probably be out of date in the coming weeks at Vivendi decides on a course of action with it's parks).
 

wed050499

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Originally posted by pheneix

It's not a fight between Disney andthe Grinch, but rather offerings like the Osbourne Lights vs. the Macy's Parade. Macy's has much more clout than Disney's offerings.


Granted it's not a fight between Disney and the Grinch, however, the fact that Disney has the Osbourne Lights and such means more name association and recognition.

To clear that up, they have only said that Universal Japan's attendance was down. Universal's domestic parks are up for the year (attendance, not revenues), the exception being USF*.

I'm interested where you found this information. From information in Fortune Magazine and even the Orlando Sentinel, attendance was off at all Orlando area theme parks including Universal.

That's nothing new. Universal's resorts will likely be booked solid for the week.

They probably will be, but as has been said, Universal has 3, Disney has 20.

Universal will do a MUCH better job of putting on the parade than the city of NYC will.

I really don't think there will be much of a difference other than the parade will be in the park itself as opposed to on the streets of NYC. The idea of trying to move through the park at all will basically be killed, especially with large balloons floating overhead. I for one would rather be in Disney for a parade than anywhere else. They simply do the best job with them.
 

AdLibSean

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Originally posted by pheneix
It's not a fight between Disney andthe Grinch, but rather offerings like the Osbourne Lights vs. the Macy's Parade. Macy's has much more clout than Disney's offerings.

I've never been to see the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in NYC but have watched it on TV for many years and I'd liken the parade at Universal to the Electrical Parade at DCA. They aren't the same when taken out of their environment. I might be one person who thinks this, but I'd rather make a trip to see all those lights at MGM than go to Universal to see a replay of the Macy's Parade that I saw on television. It's one of those things that is special cuz it only happens once.
 

MicBat

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Originally posted by Vernonpush
The "special holographic glasses" are not a new thing. They had them back in 1998.

Yeah, I, too, got them back in 1999. I didn't know what they were for, exactly, though.

Am I the only one that hated the Grinch movie? The cartoon was alright, but the movie was horrible!! :hurl:
 

goofyman

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Originally posted by wed050499

Just one thought, WDW at holiday time is amazing! Bringing in Macy's balloons at Universal...Well lets just say Been there done that would NEVER travel to Fla. just for that, esp. cause it's a whole lot better looking on TV then it really is....
 

General Grizz

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Why not go to New York if you wanna see Macys? :p

Why where do I wanna go?

Why not go to New York if you wanna see Macys? :p

I'M GOING TO DISNEY WORLD!! Nothing beats the Candelight Processional after a great round of Country Bear Christmas Special action!
 

mickey04

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Originally posted by MicBat
Am I the only one that hated the Grinch movie? The cartoon was alright, but the movie was horrible!! :hurl:

Nope, I didn't like it either, but apparently its popular enough to draw crowds.

Okay- here's my prediction-- Universal will increase their numbers a little, but so will WDW. Its been a while since the terrorist attacks, and I think people are beginning to calm down a little. Universal may gain a little on their previous figures, but it won't be enough to hurt WDW in any way- there's just no place like WDW for the holidays.
 

General Grizz

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These antibiotics have got me going!!

Let's do the Disney Dance!

:sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy:

There's no place like Dis-ney for-the holidays!!

:sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy:

(when are we getting the Santa smilie?? :) )
 

MicBat

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Originally posted by mickey04
Nope, I didn't like it either, but apparently its popular enough to draw crowds.

Why turn a 20 min cartoon into an hour and a half long move?!?!?

But back on subject... I, personally, would much rather go to WDW than Universal during the holiday b/c WDW takes a much more traditional approach to the event, w/o leaving other beliefs and religions at the curb. Universal, though, takes a more tacky approach to the season.
 

mickeyfanatics

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Lots of great comments everyone, now I want to put my .02 in.

I have been to Universal for the holidays and I just want to say that Grinchmas stunk. There was not much to see, and that park did not seem any more magical with the holiday stuff.

Nobody does the Christmas Holidays like Disney. I love going to see the lights at that time of year and I have to say that the Osbourne Spectacle is just that, a Spectacle. If you have not been, make sure you are there when they turn the lights on at about 6PM. It is just amazing to see them turn on 5 million lights all at one time. We have gone every year, but this past year we took my mom for the first time for the holidays. Seeing her face light up and tears come to her eyes at that sight was like seeing a young child meet Mickey Mouse for the first time. It was truly amazing and she still talks about it a year later.

The Candlelight Processional is a very nice show that attracts many famous people to be guest speakers and people line up to see this show! BTW I will be there to see Roy E. Disney on Dec. 1.

The Magic Kingdom is just so awesome at the holiday time. It really becomes a more magical place (if that is possible). I also love the huge Xmas Tree on Main Street, and like others have said, no one does a parade like Disney!


We have annual passes and will be at WDW several times during the Holidays. We used to have Universal passes, but let them run out because it was not the place to keep revisiting. It got old riding some of the attractions. I will go back once they open something new. Disney puts a special touch on most attractions that makes them a step above the rest (in most cases). Take two very popular rollercoasters - The Hulk and RnR Coaster. The Hulk is a nice ride, but the same thing everytime. RnR changes the soundtrack everytime and sometimes you even get a car where the sound is not working (That was freaky). We got to ride again.

I like both resort destinations, but there is no place WDW at the holidays. I hope to visit DL one time to see it.
 

Quentin Disney

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Did anyone (in the Orlando area) see the new U.O. holiday ad? "Hairy Chirstmas?" Yeah, that has some "clout". While I do appreciate Grinchmas (as I have attended the past two ones, and oh how I love the Grinch's personality!), to me, it just really doesn't grip me as the offerings over at WDW. Call me a fanboy over this comment, but I don't think Universal will EVER beat Disney at the Holiday game. Universal won the Halloween game, Disney won the Holiday game, game over folks. Phenix say's that they are going to kick "Disney between the legs this Christmas", but which resort DOESN'T need coke cans from Publix just to get people in?

As for the Macy's Holiday Parade (That's what they are calling it), back home in New York, I've seen the parade twice in person. When it gets windy, those balloons lean all over the place, sometimes getting popped along the way. While Universal Studios does not have 50+ tall story buildings, I still think wind can be a problem, but we will see. Of course with Tapestry of Dreams over at Epcot, even the slightest winds will cancel the show. What will happen with helium-filled balloons flying high in the sky.
 

pheneix

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>>>which resort DOESN'T need coke cans from Publix just to get people in?<<<

Which resort isn't closing down entire resorts because they overbuilt thanks for an overwhelming urge for the almightly dollar?
 

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