The Park Vue Plans from December 2015

[Darkbeer1]

We have been talking about the Park Vue, and how the city council just passed a resolution to help the owner get funding for the project. (Stating that Anaheim was not looking to build a Light rail system in the area). So I went and dug up the plans, alas, it is buried with the entire planning commission agenda reports from the December 14th, 2015 meeting. (Item Number 9 - DEV2013-00138)

But here you go... (Starts at Page 373, ends at page 508) of the nearly 700 page pdf.)

http://records.anaheim.net/CityClerk/0/edoc/1592136/PC 20151214.pdf

I presume they are waiting for the final approval of the Eastern Gateway project to see if they need to make some changes to allow the best pedestrian access to the property.

So maybe starting this fall....

 

[Curious Constance]

As long as they are fully up and operational in June when I stay here!

 

[Darkbeer1]

OK, I had a chance to look over the actual 150 pages of the report.

I like the look, and the idea. Nothing super fancy, but MUCH nicer than the current Motel and nearby Properties, and should be a major money maker and give Disney a run for its money. And looks like only a minor modification would be needed for a eastern pedestrian access path to the Disneyland Eastern Gateway sidewalk.

That said, interesting to also look at the "What If's", the plans were rushed to prevent the city from grabbing the property for the proposed light rail system. (Higher property valuation for eminent domain purposes.)

If the light rail had been built, it would have been a boon to the Disney portion of the Eastern Gateway, the USCIS building is right behind the Park Vue Inn. So now we have a lot of folks that could take the light rail to the new Security Check area and easy access to the parks and DtD. And you also would have a open free flowing area from Harbor Boulevard to the new Security Check area, which should have ended the complaining from the businesses currently. (Poor IHOP would have been torn down due to eminent domain and not a voice).

I wonder, with the USCIS land left standing in the current proposal, that when Disney started to draw up these plans, they hoped that the USCIS building would have been bought through eniment domain, and was planning for the main access to the Security Check area to be the PVI site. Also it could have been easy to build a large bridge over the rail lines between the Parking Structure and Security check areas for access to those guests without impact the free flow below. Just a though....

 

[mm121]

i've always kind of wondered why disney didnt just pay whatever was necessary to buy these properties

seems like they maybe coulda been sneaky and done it under different holding companies to try to hide that it was them and keep them open as motels to aid in the hiding until they owned enough to use the land for the parks purposes

really sucks park vue is getting rebuilt making chances of an eastern downtown disney unlikely

leaving an awkward long path with no shopping dining district

also seems odd they wouldnt do some kind of people mover connecting the eastern gateway thru the site of the hotel they bought since it will just be a long boring walk with nothing to see

 

[Darkbeer1]

Disney has tried many ways to buy nearby land, and its early attempt left many owners mad as they felt insulted by the company representatives and offers. Many owners agreed they would never sell to Disney, and still feel so today.

Also, these companies are mainly family owned and bring in a good regular income stream that supports them and their children, and don't want to sell the golden egg.

Since the owners talk to one another, they have seen through the holding company issue, and I was told that they have asked for a clause that states that the property cannot be sold to the Walt Disney Company or one of its subsidiaries, and usually the buyer walks away.

The remodeling of the Park Vue, if anything, is positive to Disney, as they will support the project with the offer to open up the sidewalk on the east side of their property.

As for the People Mover, it has been proven many times, not practical at all due to limited capacity and total failure when just one vehicle breaks down.

Disney has to take into consideration its maximum need, such as after the Fireworks end on a very busy day. The width of the Bridge and exit gates were designed to take that large volume in a short period into consideration. The most practical way is no devices of any type, just ADA compliant slopes and large enough to handle tens of thousands of folks in a hour.

 

[mm121]

Disney has tried many ways to buy nearby land, and its early attempt left many owners mad as they felt insulted by the company representatives and offers. Many owners agreed they would never sell to Disney, and still feel so today.

Also, these companies are mainly family owned and bring in a good regular income stream that supports them and their children, and don't want to sell the golden egg.

Since the owners talk to one another, they have seen through the holding company issue, and I was told that they have asked for a clause that states that the property cannot be sold to the Walt Disney Company or one of its subsidiaries, and usually the buyer walks away.

The remodeling of the Park Vue, if anything, is positive to Disney, as they will support the project with the offer to open up the sidewalk on the east side of their property.

As for the People Mover, it has been proven many times, not practical at all due to limited capacity and total failure when just one vehicle breaks down.

Disney has to take into consideration its maximum need, such as after the Fireworks end on a very busy day. The width of the Bridge and exit gates were designed to take that large volume in a short period into consideration. The most practical way is no devices of any type, just ADA compliant slopes and large enough to handle tens of thousands of folks in a hour.

sounds like they really screwed themselves over decades ago trying to low ball people

could disney buy with a holding company with a no sell to disney clause, and then sell it to a second holding company without the clause when they were ready to do something with it? like a double blind sale

in a way they are smart trying to "cut off" access to these properties as that would make their property values go down if even though guests are close they'd have to take a bus or something to get accross the street

 

[Darkbeer1]

Depends on the way the bill of sale is written, but there could be a clause that makes any future buyer agree to the condition, and as a penalty, required to sell it back to the original owners for a minimal amount, such as $1, to cover a legal requirement.

 

[mm121]

Depends on the way the bill of sale is written, but there could be a clause that makes any future buyer agree to the condition, and as a penalty, required to sell it back to the original owners for a minimal amount, such as $1, to cover a legal requirement.

thats really insane that its legal to write contracts so restrictive to cover all future buyers of a property

no wonder it takes decades to do things and mountains of red tape

 

[DLR92]

I welcome this rendering.

Nothing too spectacular, but nice than current.

 

[yookeroo]

Where did Darkbeer disappear to? Hope he's OK.

 

[Phroobar]

Where did Darkbeer disappear to? Hope he's OK.

I hope so too. I like him. Get well Darkbeer.