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The Future of Epcot
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AndyS2992
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Epcot needs a lot of everything right now, new rides, new countries, reopening and repurposing of abandoned buildings and areas, major update and refurbishment of Future World and it's attractions. World Showcase needs a ride in each pavillion. Epcot could be amazing, just Disney are too lazy, profit hungry and don't care anymore to do any of this which is both sad and frustrating.
wdwfan4ver
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Epcot doesn't need Cartoon Characters that are from Pixar or Disney movies. Epcot's real problem is future World. What Future World needs is a refreshment, but it also needs more rides at the same time. I am not going to touch World Showcase because Future World should be the bigger priority right now although I don't like how cluttered World Showcase is with restaurants right now.
Universe of Energy in its newest form is going to be 18 years old this year and that means its due to an update. Imagination has been a mess for a while and needs an overhaul. Innoventions hasn't been that great for a long time based on it supposed to show the latest technology and that hasn't been the case in years. That means Innoventions either needs to be back to its original purpose in the mid 1990's or use the space building another Pavilion. Wonders of life is another problem for Future World based on its only being used during festivals including the Food and Wine Festival.
Universe of Energy in its newest form is going to be 18 years old this year and that means its due to an update. Imagination has been a mess for a while and needs an overhaul. Innoventions hasn't been that great for a long time based on it supposed to show the latest technology and that hasn't been the case in years. That means Innoventions either needs to be back to its original purpose in the mid 1990's or use the space building another Pavilion. Wonders of life is another problem for Future World based on its only being used during festivals including the Food and Wine Festival.
Voxel
President of Progress City
Amen especially considering some may changes in the concepts of Physics, Energy and Science have changed so much.
I want either of the two in the old style model for FW:
1. Dark ride, educational, inspirational, escapist, historical potential, icons - For example, WOM, the Big "H", and SSE - parts of UOE
Edit: I meant the original SSE
OR
2. The total, textured, pavilion experience with ride, dining, and other attractions/interactive areas (self-containment) - For example, The Land, Living Seas, and Imagination (ok, no dining here, but…)
Edit: Meaning what they all had for number 2 when they opened, not necessarily their present state/condition that exists.
1. Dark ride, educational, inspirational, escapist, historical potential, icons - For example, WOM, the Big "H", and SSE - parts of UOE
Edit: I meant the original SSE
OR
2. The total, textured, pavilion experience with ride, dining, and other attractions/interactive areas (self-containment) - For example, The Land, Living Seas, and Imagination (ok, no dining here, but…)
Edit: Meaning what they all had for number 2 when they opened, not necessarily their present state/condition that exists.
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Sorry, I read your great post and I got aggravated with WDW again…
If they had done nothing, they would have saved money (always important to them) and had on their hands a lasting, tribute to transportation that would have been unique and defied age. (WOM) And another anchor that was timeless too, classic, and more nostalgic (Horizons) and still saved money, and had a better FW than today.
Both better for FW today and better than the two usurpers that can't even put a dent in their specialness.
And if they would have left SSE and JII alone. Ditto. So millions of dollars later, we have a battered Imagination, a meh TT and MS, a swiss-cheesed Seas, and a whole pavilion standing empty.
Drives me nuts.
Voxel
President of Progress City
Also in major science news Physicist believe that teleportation of energy over long distance is possible http://physicsworld.com/cws/article...teleported-over-long-distances-say-physicists
morningstar
Well-Known Member
Well among Epcot purists there may be a few kinds:
- Put the rides back the way they used to be. (Bring back Horizons and World of Motion.)
- Current new ride direction is good, updates to old rides bad (MS and TT good, Nemo in the Seas, Donald in Mexico, and new Imagination bad).
- New rides are not so great, build something new with more educational value.
morningstar
Well-Known Member
I don't think they are lazy. If they are profit hungry they see new attractions as helping profits. New Fantasyland, Cars land at DCA, and Avatar land show they are doing lots of development. It's just that Epcot isn't getting the love. So Magic Kingdom got an update, one is in the works for Animal Kingdom. We can just hope that the next big project is one for Epcot.
Voxel
President of Progress City
Maybe we can have an attraction where they teleport us.
wdwfan4ver
Well-Known Member
I don't see the next big project is for Epcot, but DHS instead.
What I have been reading in the rumors and news forum in the past is DHS is supposed get a big project that involves a Star Wars Expansion. DHS needs as much help as Future World does. DHS is a themed mess with a bad layout that only has 6 rides. DHS also has empty buildings, and attractions that needed to be replaced such as backlot tour. The update of Star Tours was announced in 2009 and it happened, but it was a band aid to park with a lot of issues that included attractions that needed to updated.
The truth is Fantasyland really didn't need the project it got compared to what Tomorrowland needed. I can argue MK didn't a project before DHS,AK, and Epcot.
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What I don't get, to get off topic a bit and address DHS (park planning and its execution), is what the heck happened to DHS after Tower of Terror? They were on the right track. Same thing with MK and Splash in a way. Both attractions are perfect. They have it all. They enhance the "Land" or area they are in. They give props and pride to the park they are in. And I think after they opened that they are going to go in this very right direction and then they don't.
So they correctly ascertain that they need a strong anchor to support the old Hollywood theme of the park. They design a ride that is just beautiful and unique from the moment you set eyes on it, a scenic queue that is heavily themed, to the entrance, conception of the actual ride, and the exit. The ride is thrilling, the movie clips, cast member costumes, merchandise; just perfect.
Why not keep going now? Also, on Sunset Boulevard, NY area, etc. how many useless facades are there? I know parks needs some, but DHS has way too many that could be utilized better I would think.
WDWoptmist
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This was a tough vote because I want new rides but I want new rides that are educational and original...the two go hand in hand
Glasgow
Well-Known Member
The whole concept of Epcot is about being original and inventive. They have strayed from this a bit but it's sort of understandable given how the world has changed. A new, original, non-Disney-character based attraction and a single new country would go a LONGGGGGG way to getting Epcot back on track. If they replace WoL, my biggest pet-peeve in all of WDW, with something new, then happy days. Yes, Imagination is struggling, but at least it's open. Its difficult to WOW people nowadays, what with the availability of mind-boggling technology everywhere but if any park in WDW should be trying, it's Epcot.
Order of importance for me at Epcot :
1) Replace WoL with new, original attraction (no characters, please!)
2) Add new country to WS
3) Update JIYI
4) Remove graveyard stones in front of SSE
5) Add attraction to existing WS country, such as Japan or Germany
Order of importance for me at Epcot :
1) Replace WoL with new, original attraction (no characters, please!)
2) Add new country to WS
3) Update JIYI
4) Remove graveyard stones in front of SSE
5) Add attraction to existing WS country, such as Japan or Germany
Matt_Black
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I honestly don't see any of those choices as being mutually exclusive. Someone clever and intelligent could design something that combines all three.
I have pondered this since the 80's and I sort of touched upon this in a post above…
I come back to this time after time over the years, and after every visit to Epcot, or even just thinking about Epcot.
What do you all think?
What does, would, or will constitute the ideal pavilion, in general? Planning, execution, room for improvements, additions, replacements/refurb over time if need be, etc.
The Land, really, is the only one that has survived, debatably, somewhat unscathed. No... let me reword that. It has just survived, sort of, better than the others past and present.
Why?
For me, I addressed that above in another post, but I need to elaborate possibly.
I was thinking too of H and WOM. So good and realized, they didn't need food or anything else. The only two, besides SSE, that were stand alone, unlike Seas, Land, JII, etc.
I come back to this time after time over the years, and after every visit to Epcot, or even just thinking about Epcot.
What do you all think?
What does, would, or will constitute the ideal pavilion, in general? Planning, execution, room for improvements, additions, replacements/refurb over time if need be, etc.
The Land, really, is the only one that has survived, debatably, somewhat unscathed. No... let me reword that. It has just survived, sort of, better than the others past and present.
Why?
For me, I addressed that above in another post, but I need to elaborate possibly.
I was thinking too of H and WOM. So good and realized, they didn't need food or anything else. The only two, besides SSE, that were stand alone, unlike Seas, Land, JII, etc.
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Goofyernmost
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There should always be a poll answer of "Other". 
Basically, Epcot isn't terrible as it is. It's different from what it was at opening, but that doesn't all by itself make it bad. With the exception of the Imagination Pavilion, which is a disaster right now, the operating portions are pretty interesting. One of the biggest problems now is the empty WoL building. Even that wouldn't be so bad if they would address the roof. It has been left to fade in an erratic fashion. It looks more like a plywood city then the beautiful Pavilion it once was. If they can't come up with the creativity to do something good with the place tear it down or at least make it look like they care about what it looks like. The Odyssey Building, at least, still looks good and it is in an out of the way place that for some reason allows it to go unnoticed by most guests.
I know a lot of people would love to see Horizons and WoM reestablished, but, we all know that isn't going to happen and they both have, at least, been replaced with an upscale attraction and not left to rot in the sun. What's lacking more then anything else is a consistent eye on the situation that has enough pride in the product to be embarrassed by how some of the places have been maintained. Someone that would see the outside of the WoL Pavilion and cringe at how awful it looks. Someone that would go into the queue at Soarin and look upward and see all the piping, venting and supports literally coated with a quarter inch layer of dust, that would have easily been taken care of by something as simple as a swifter duster. That I can assure you wasn't allowed in earlier years. It doesn't take away from the overall fun of some of the stuff, but it does leave an indelible mark on the brain the eventually tells people "We don't care" and we are becoming more and more a roadside carnival then an upscale entertainment venue.
In Epcot, there is more then enough to do to make it a two day park, if one stops to smell the roses. If everyone is in hyperactive drive, they will blow through the "rides" and loose interest and miss out on the little things that make it worth the trip.
Basically, Epcot isn't terrible as it is. It's different from what it was at opening, but that doesn't all by itself make it bad. With the exception of the Imagination Pavilion, which is a disaster right now, the operating portions are pretty interesting. One of the biggest problems now is the empty WoL building. Even that wouldn't be so bad if they would address the roof. It has been left to fade in an erratic fashion. It looks more like a plywood city then the beautiful Pavilion it once was. If they can't come up with the creativity to do something good with the place tear it down or at least make it look like they care about what it looks like. The Odyssey Building, at least, still looks good and it is in an out of the way place that for some reason allows it to go unnoticed by most guests.
I know a lot of people would love to see Horizons and WoM reestablished, but, we all know that isn't going to happen and they both have, at least, been replaced with an upscale attraction and not left to rot in the sun. What's lacking more then anything else is a consistent eye on the situation that has enough pride in the product to be embarrassed by how some of the places have been maintained. Someone that would see the outside of the WoL Pavilion and cringe at how awful it looks. Someone that would go into the queue at Soarin and look upward and see all the piping, venting and supports literally coated with a quarter inch layer of dust, that would have easily been taken care of by something as simple as a swifter duster. That I can assure you wasn't allowed in earlier years. It doesn't take away from the overall fun of some of the stuff, but it does leave an indelible mark on the brain the eventually tells people "We don't care" and we are becoming more and more a roadside carnival then an upscale entertainment venue.
In Epcot, there is more then enough to do to make it a two day park, if one stops to smell the roses. If everyone is in hyperactive drive, they will blow through the "rides" and loose interest and miss out on the little things that make it worth the trip.
BiffyClyro
Well-Known Member
It's got to the point where it's barely a half a day park. It's ok if you've never been before, but it lacks quality rides/ shows and world showcase needs something. Also innovations is just old news now. I like that it's an educational park, but there are so many new, interesting things they could do. It's like Figment... How many years has that ride been practically dead? It's starting to become a bit of an abandoned park in many aspects, although the grounds etc. are maintained beautifully.... It just needs a few things to make it exciting again!