The Battle for Orlando

mkt

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The Battle for Orlando

(Newsweek) -- Christine Roum had a simple request of the front desk at Walt Disney’s Grand Floridian resort. She wanted directions to Universal’s Islands of Adventure, a popular new theme park just a few miles away toward Orlando. Roum might as well have asked the concierge for his kidney. “I can’t give you directions to Islands of Adventure,” he curtly replied, telling Roum, an LA screenwriter, to try directory assistance instead. Disney blames the rude behavior several months ago on an overzealous “cast member.” But there’s good reason Disney doesn’t want to steer anyone toward the competition: Universal is loosening Disney’s stranglehold on Florida tourists, as Universal’s attendance has climbed 11 percent in the past two years while Disney’s has slipped 6%. Once content to subsist on Disney’s table scraps, Universal thinks its expanding Orlando com-pound — centered on two theme parks, Islands of Adventure and Universal Studios Hollywood — now represents an alternative to the larger Walt Disney World Resort. Realizing it has the billion-dollar amenities to do better than poach an afternoon from a family’s five-day Disney visit, Universal is striking back where Mickey is most vulnerable: with teens who have outgrown Dumbo the Flying Elephant. Universal has even produced, but hasn’t yet had the chutzpah to broadcast, a TV spot with an ersatz Mickey wandering up to Universal Studios and saying, “I want to see what I’ve been missing.” Disney isn’t laughing, and is pushing harder to sequester its guests. From the second they land at the airport, some of its visitors are whisked away to the four parks, never to set foot on enemy soil. Disney insists some tour operators include Disney tickets in multiday Orlando vacation packages, regardless of traveler interest. Disney is also developing an optional Internet service that aims to keep its guests booked to the minute: click here to reserve lunch at Cinderella Castle! Then it’s a 2:30 p.m. ride on Splash Mountain, a 4 p.m. mud wrap at Disney Institute’s spa and a monorail to Epcot for dinner. “Getting people to Orlando is our first job,” says Paul Pressler, chairman of Disney’s parks-and-resorts division. “Once you’ve arrived in Orlando, my goal is to capture as much of your time as I can.”

The theme-park fight has taken on new urgency. For the past year the scariest thrill ride has been watching the stock of both companies plummet even faster than the overall market. The September 11 attacks have curbed vacations, and the weak economy makes $51 daily tickets difficult to digest. In quarterly earnings announced last week, Disney’s parks-and-resorts profits slipped 17%, particularly worrisome since parks can contribute half of Disney’s profits. Universal’s parks, part of Vivendi Universal Entertainment’s film and TV operations, kick in just 5% of the bottom line, but delivered better first-quarter growth than any other Universal division. Universal’s two Florida parks sold 12.8 million tickets last year, up 11% from 1999. Attendance this year is ahead of 2001’s pace. Disney’s four parks sold 40 million tickets in 2001, down 6% from 1999. Disney’s 2002 reservations are off 10%. Universal apparently has figured out how to build a better mousetrap. Rather than offer a pale imitation of a Disney park, Universal has created a PG-13 destination. Disney may have rides with more staying power and refined design, but Universal builds attractions linked to hit films; that can make the rides hot. Two of this year’s box-office smashes, “Spider-Man” and “Men in Black II”, have Universal rides based on them. Disney and Universal aim at different demographics. Disney has well-scrubbed employees, including an endearing waitress in the ’50s Prime Time cafe who calls herself Auntie Claire. Skip ahead a few decades to Universal’s Hard Rock Hotel, where a gift-shop clerk has nine (visible) piercings. “For little kids, who can be better than Disney?” says Ron Meyer, president of Universal Studios. “But once kids get past 10 years old, it’s hard for Disney to change its basic environment.” Disney bristles over comparisons between its secluded 30,000-acre resort and Universal’s 2,300-acre compound, which borders on a highway of strip malls. Disney argues its real competition is destinations like Las Vegas and Paris. While both Disney and Universal have great restaurants and shopping malls, Disney World has such treats as 99 holes of golf and a lodge where giraffes wander by your room. Even though Disney professes that Universal is no threat, it is building to meet the challenge. Disney-MGM Studios already offers the Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster Starring Aerosmith, and ride designers will soon add more drops to The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror, where riders plunge 13 floors faster than gravity. Disney will also open next year the $100 million flight-simulator ride Mission: Space at Epcot. The Magic Kingdom can’t be underestimated. And Universal, which first came to Orlando only 12 years ago, knows it. Not only do Universal hotels stock brochures for Disney theme parks, but Universal employees are all too happy to give out printed directions to them. Perhaps they know, like any good Disney fairy tale advises, a kid doesn’t stay a kid forever.
 

MKCustodial

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What do you think, Rob? Do you think the whole "teen factor" and the rides tied to movies are the only reason Universal might be pulling WDW's Guests away? Because I remember you saying how US is taking better care of their attractions and environments, and how their CMs are acting much nicer.

By the way, is this the whole article in the magazine? I'm thinking about buying it, but only if there's more to it. The dollar rates are making small pleasures pretty expensive...
 

mkt

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Rodrigo, I actually pulled the article off newsweek.com, so you may wanna search there..


as for my view,

Universal has a few of the current pop-culture phenoms readily at its disposal in the parks (Spiderman, MIB2, Scooby Doo) while Disney has 0 (there's no lilo and stitch attraction, is there...), and it is beyond debate, Universals guest service and product quality is increasing (Universal bashers, give them a chance if you haven't already) while WDW's is going... downhill (I look at the guest letters book as often as I can, and NO JOKE, for every positive letter I've read, I read at least 5 negative ones). Universal hasn't beaten WDW yet, but if WDW doesn't get off its high horse, they may find themselves in a very actionable situation.
 

MKCustodial

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I guess your example is commendable, high management should be doing just that, reading those books. Sometimes it seems they forget that Guests should be right up there with money as their major concerns. And your whole point about a better selection of CMs is absolutely right. I know my example isn't a good one, since I was a CP and only stayed for about 2 months, but I felt so proud to be a part of that, I'd walk around and play with the characters all day long while working. And there was this guy who worked with me (he was a regular), at a certain point he decided to ask me why I behaved that way. And my answer was honest: I was never that connected with Disney, not anymopre than a regular kid from my generation was, and Universal used to be my favorite park. But after being "inside the magic" it was just impossible not to feel that way.
 

bdhowell

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I personally do not like Universal Studios. The park is very cheep looking and some of the attractions are a waste of space. Our culture has gone away from the family too much, and I think that it is wonderful how The Walt Disney Company strives to bring families together. IOA is a good park!! Just remember that many of the designers of that park came from Disney! I believe that competition is good. Better products and services to people are the result of competition. I am glad that Universal is doing well! Good for them! But they have a lot to work on to even think that they can compete with the history, values, pride, and service that Disney stands for and gives to its guests each and everyday. We work VERY HARD to make memories to each and every guest!
 

CAPTAIN HOOK

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For far too long Disney (theme parks) has marketed itself on kids rides and attractions. More recently, the "adult" rides (TT, RNR, etc) have appeared.
"A kid doesn't stay a kid forever"
But what about the teenagers - those old enough to travel without mum and dad, what do they do after they've done WDW - easy answer is IOA.
Its high time Disney reorganised its marketing plan and introduced more attractions aimed at the teenagers and early 20's. If it doesn't, then Disney will continue to lose customers to Universal and WDW will forever remain a place of adults with kids in hand.
 

MKCustodial

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Originally posted by CAPTAIN HOOK
For far too long Disney (theme parks) has marketed itself on kids rides and attractions. More recently, the "adult" rides (TT, RNR, etc) have appeared.
"A kid doesn't stay a kid forever"
But what about the teenagers - those old enough to travel without mum and dad, what do they do after they've done WDW - easy answer is IOA.
Its high time Disney reorganised its marketing plan and introduced more attractions aimed at the teenagers and early 20's. If it doesn't, then Disney will continue to lose customers to Universal and WDW will forever remain a place of adults with kids in hand.

Even so, I wouldn't like to see WDW become just another amusement park full of fast rides and coasters. If you think about it, what does RnRC has to do with the Studios. I'm not saying I don't like it, but we all know it sticks out like a sore thumb.
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
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Originally posted by MKCustodial
If you think about it, what does RnRC has to do with the Studios.

it's a record company building.... that fits in pretty well in california

Originally posted by MKCustodial
I'm not saying I don't like it, but we all know it sticks out like a sore thumb.

I do agree... it would've looked a helluva lot better in the other side of the park, out on NY Street
 

dopey

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just had to chime in here:

i've never been to universal florida (i remember taking the tour in california when i was a wee lad), but it's certainly a place i'd take my boys when they're older.

but i don't think universal is that big of a threat to disney. yep, they'll get the lion's share of the teenager and 20-something market, but disney gets most of the rest -- from toddlers to seniors.

i loved disney when i was a kid, had no interest in it when i was a teen and, now that i have kids of my own, i'm happy to have the chance to enjoy disney again.
 

AliciaLuvzDizne

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Originally posted by mktiggerman


it's a record company building.... that fits in pretty well in california



I do agree... it would've looked a helluva lot better in the other side of the park, out on NY Street

hmm i bet it would make that corner of the studios less congested too... but, when i was there a few weeks ago, we got a fastpass for RnRc and then stood in the line for ToT and when we got off the ride it was our time for RnRc...so it worked out pretty nicely
 

prberk

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Resort stuff

I think Disney focuses too much of it marketing on small children these days, overall. This has changed since "The Lion King" and "Beauty and the Beast" were hits for all ages, including teenagers. Teens thought "The Lion King" was cool, and many young adults dated to "Beauty and the Beast."

The same can be said of Walt Disney World. Part of the problem is the marketing. The resorts have beaches and waterskiing and pools (all of which have girls with bikinis and guys with their shirts off -- perennial teanage favorites), as well as horseback riding, nature trails, and even clubs and places to "hang out."

People don't think of that stuff, but it is definitely of interest to teenagers and family members over 10 years old. It is part of what sets WDW apart from Universal: the truly cool resort.

Other than marketing, though, I also think that there is one more problem: the prices. The resort hotels and the skiing and other activities are too pricey. They would be more useful in attracting teens and other young people if they were more in line with similar things at, say, Myrtle Beach. Myrtle Beach is a mecca for families and senior citizens, what with all the golf resorts and country music places, but I dare you to search and find a teenager who would not speed a week there in a heartbeat!

Disney has forgotten how to be a RESORT with something for EVERYONE!
 

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