Just curious how attendance is doing at TDS. I've read that it's virtually empty by mid-afternoon, that the Japanese hate the park, and that you can walk onto any ride. (if so, could they pick up the entire place and bring it to Florida. It's my favourite Disney park). I suspect these posts are by staunch Eisner fans, because they laud DCA and WDS and gush about how amazing HKDL will be. Thanks.
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TDS attendance
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DisneyFan 2000
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I doubt anyone HATE DisneySea. I've heard the opposite, very busy place from what I've heard. :animwink:
TheOneVader
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The whole resort is usually packed, I've heard. In fact, Tokyo DisneySeas is already bursting over per year capacity if I'm not mistaken.
stitchcastle
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I hear the reason it "feels" less crowded is because the whole place including the rides are designed to take in more people and make guest flow faster and more efficient..The perfect theme park....
TheOneVader
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was the perfect park, considering the OLC has poored billions into it. They're the perfect company. lol
TheOneVader
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Actually, now that you mention it, Tokyo Disneyland is the most visited in the world, I believe.
stitchcastle
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Actually MK is the most visited theme park in the world, second is TDL, third is TDS
CSUFSteve
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Actually, here are the numbers according to Amusement Business industry publication for 2004:
1 - Magic Kingdom, LBV, FL - 15,170,000
2 - Disneyland, Anaheim - 13,360,000
3 - Tokyo Disneyland, Tokyo - 13,200,00
4 - Tokyo DisneySea, Tokyo - 12,200,00
5 - Disneyland Paris, Marne La Vallee, France - 10,200,00
Tokyo DisneySea is not suffering from an attendance problem by any means but guest exit surveys are revealing a couple of problems that OLC and WDI are attempting to plug: 1) 1st time guest counts are high but guests do not feel repeatability factor is as high as TDL, and 2) TDL's attendance has been affected more than expected by TDS (cannibalization), probably due to high 1st time guest counts at TDS. #1 is the reason behind Tower and the Temple of Peril-style coaster; #2 is the reason behind Buzz. A new TL was initially planned but OLC balked after the failures of the U.S. parks.
1 - Magic Kingdom, LBV, FL - 15,170,000
2 - Disneyland, Anaheim - 13,360,000
3 - Tokyo Disneyland, Tokyo - 13,200,00
4 - Tokyo DisneySea, Tokyo - 12,200,00
5 - Disneyland Paris, Marne La Vallee, France - 10,200,00
Tokyo DisneySea is not suffering from an attendance problem by any means but guest exit surveys are revealing a couple of problems that OLC and WDI are attempting to plug: 1) 1st time guest counts are high but guests do not feel repeatability factor is as high as TDL, and 2) TDL's attendance has been affected more than expected by TDS (cannibalization), probably due to high 1st time guest counts at TDS. #1 is the reason behind Tower and the Temple of Peril-style coaster; #2 is the reason behind Buzz. A new TL was initially planned but OLC balked after the failures of the U.S. parks.
DisneyFan 2000
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I think Tomorrowland. Not sure though... 
TheOneVader
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Hmm, it seems like Tokyo Disneyland was #1 for a while. Did it used to be or am I just making things up?
It used to be, but the addition of TDS has spread out the numbers. Numbers at multiple park destinations are really hard to measure anyway. On my recent trip to WDW, I went to MGM first thing in the morning for a couple hours, went to EPCOT just for dinner (we were staying at Boardwalk), then zipped over to MK for Extra Magic Hours. So how do you count that?TheOneVader said:
CSUFSteve
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Hello,
Sorry, yes, TL=Tomorrowland.
As far as TDL, no, you are not making things up!
In 2001, where TDS did not open until Sept 4, TDL's attendance that year, again according to Amusement Business, was 17,708,000 and the most visited theme park in the world. It had held that record for several years in a row, with Magic Kingdom #2, and Disneyland #3. In 2001, Magic Kingdom's attendance was 14,784,000 and Disneyland's 12,350,000. In 1997 (last year for which AB archives are available), TDL = 17,368,000, MK = 17,000,000, and DL = 14,250,000.
WDW is sort of the barometer by which multi-gates are measured. If you look at WDW's attendance for last year, you see: MK = 15,170,000, Epcot = 9,400,000, Disney-MGM = 8,260,000, and AK = 7,820,000. These are pretty healthy ratios and sort of informal goal for other resorts. At Disneyland Resort, DL = 13,360,000 and DCA = 5,630,000, so DCA's is less than half of Disneyland's, whereas Epcot is about 62% of MK's. Disneyland Resort Paris is obviously even more dire where DLP = 10,200,000 and WDSP = 2,200,000.
On the other hand, you have Tokyo Disney Resort where TDL = 13,200,000 and TDS = 12,200,000. Only 1 million guests separate them and they are #3 and #4 respectively on the worldwide chart. It's been difficult to interpret the numbers. On the one hand, TDS is an unqualified success. On the other hand, you have the cannibalization effect and the pressure to maintain the success of TDS. This is the same problem that has affected WDW since AK's opening. In 1997, WDW's Epcot attendance = 11,796,750, Disney-MGM = 10,473,750.
BTW, Disney frequently likes to whine that WDW's attendance has still not recovered from 9/11. Technically this is true but not by much. WDW's total 2004 attendance was approx 40.65 million, whereas Y2K attendance was 43.2 million, less than 3 million more. Disneyland Resort's attendance grew from 13.9 million to approx 19 million last year, thanks to DCA.
One more aside (really), Universal Orlando's combined attendance last year (13 million) was less than Disneyland's alone.
Sorry, yes, TL=Tomorrowland.
As far as TDL, no, you are not making things up!
In 2001, where TDS did not open until Sept 4, TDL's attendance that year, again according to Amusement Business, was 17,708,000 and the most visited theme park in the world. It had held that record for several years in a row, with Magic Kingdom #2, and Disneyland #3. In 2001, Magic Kingdom's attendance was 14,784,000 and Disneyland's 12,350,000. In 1997 (last year for which AB archives are available), TDL = 17,368,000, MK = 17,000,000, and DL = 14,250,000.
WDW is sort of the barometer by which multi-gates are measured. If you look at WDW's attendance for last year, you see: MK = 15,170,000, Epcot = 9,400,000, Disney-MGM = 8,260,000, and AK = 7,820,000. These are pretty healthy ratios and sort of informal goal for other resorts. At Disneyland Resort, DL = 13,360,000 and DCA = 5,630,000, so DCA's is less than half of Disneyland's, whereas Epcot is about 62% of MK's. Disneyland Resort Paris is obviously even more dire where DLP = 10,200,000 and WDSP = 2,200,000.
On the other hand, you have Tokyo Disney Resort where TDL = 13,200,000 and TDS = 12,200,000. Only 1 million guests separate them and they are #3 and #4 respectively on the worldwide chart. It's been difficult to interpret the numbers. On the one hand, TDS is an unqualified success. On the other hand, you have the cannibalization effect and the pressure to maintain the success of TDS. This is the same problem that has affected WDW since AK's opening. In 1997, WDW's Epcot attendance = 11,796,750, Disney-MGM = 10,473,750.
BTW, Disney frequently likes to whine that WDW's attendance has still not recovered from 9/11. Technically this is true but not by much. WDW's total 2004 attendance was approx 40.65 million, whereas Y2K attendance was 43.2 million, less than 3 million more. Disneyland Resort's attendance grew from 13.9 million to approx 19 million last year, thanks to DCA.
One more aside (really), Universal Orlando's combined attendance last year (13 million) was less than Disneyland's alone.
Thanks for the explanation, but I'm still not sure of the breakdowns since people often visit more than one park per day. And since AK closes early, and many people hit World Showcase for dinner, I would think that would skew the numbers. I think that's why Disney doesn't release them because they don't really tell the whole story. Disney cares about guests' daily patterns and where they tend to spend money, not necessarily what park they may enter first.
jrriddle
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Here OLC's official press release:
http://www.olc.co.jp/en/pdf/press/2005040101e.pdf
http://www.olc.co.jp/en/pdf/press/2005040101e.pdf