Some unfinished business in WDW's Fantasyland

mharrington

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With the new Fantasyland now open in WDW's Magic Kingdom, I feel that it's not entirely complete. For one thing, I think they need to update the looks of the Peter Pan ride and Small World at one end and the Mad Tea Party. And that's just the preexisting rides. Anyway, this thread is for my ideas to "finish" WDW's new Fantasyland, so that every part of it is involved.
 

Turtle

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I say: Add Donaldo Snake Charmer flat ride (like Slinky Dog Spin but on a snake) to Storybook Circus. Major refurbishments of Peter Pan and Philharmagic. Add an Alice and Wonderland dark ride replacing part of the speedway in a new mini-land with a store, new quick-service, Cheshire Cat maze, and updated Tea Cups.
 

secondstartotheright

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I agree. The tent façades look tacky and old. Especially next to new FL. I think they need to focus on giving the whole land a cohesive look/theme...there's tents with random European looking structures thrown in. Peter Pan has a tall structure next to the façade that could easily be themed to look like Big Ben (like DL). Tear down the tent and you have a much nicer exterior. Small World, however, would probably be a lot harder to change...
 

mharrington

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Well, here's the first part of my idea for improving Peter Pan's Flight. I've heard that they're going to add interactive stuff, so I'll focus on the ride itself.

The ride itself will be largely the same, as there's not much room to do anything too fancy with it, so all of the updates will be in the preexisting ride. However, the track and pirate ships will be scrapped and replaced with more up to date mechanisms and lighter ships, like what happened at Disneyland. I'm not sure whether we can have four-passenger ships like in Disneyland Paris or not, but I will replace the ride mechanism.

At the same time, the load area mural will now have more designs something like the Disneyland mural. But in this case, rather than having Peter Pan and the Darling children on a cloud, they will now be flying above the city of London. It will look something like the artwork for the original home video release of the movie:
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On the Neverland side of the queue, part of it will show the mermaids and Captain Hook's pirate ship, like in the Mary Blair piece of artwork below (just imagine it as a regular scene, instead of something stylized, as is Blair's style):
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Moving on with the Peter Pan ride, it will have its fair share of alterations, many of whose cues are taken from the ride that we've thought of for Disneyland Australia.

So, anyway, you board your larger, more expanded pirate ship as it moves slowly through the load area without ever stopping (except for when they may have to help a handicap person get in or out). As you board, you hear the standard recording that says not to lower the safety bar yourself; it will lower automatically, which it does. You then proceed forward above the newly-added rooftops of London and then through a window into the usual first scene of the Darlings' nursery. You go past the scene of Wendy sitting next John and Michael, who are in their beds. You see Peter Pan's shadow on the wall as it flies toward a nearby window as Peter himself is heard saying, "Come on, everybody, here we go!"

You go out the window to the usual "You Can Fly! You Can Fly! You Can Fly!" melody that is heard in this ride like usual. But this time, in addition to the scene of Nana in the yard down below (a new AA version as she can actually be heard barking), you also can look to your left to see a lit window and silhouettes of Mr. and Mrs. Darling disturbed by the racket outside. "What the dickens?" Mr. Darling can be heard wondering. You then go over the usual scene of London, which will have been relatively untouched by the overhaul, save for more convincing effects here, including improved car effects on the streets and even the effect of the Thames' river's water "shimmering" in the moonlight.

You then go past the usual scene of the moon and Peter and the Darlings' silhouettes on it. But this time, they're going in the opposite direction, a more appropriate direction as you head toward the usual scene of the Neverland fly-over. The cannon effect here from Captain Hook's ship is the same, but Hook and Smee's voices have been updated. Hook now says, "Here they come, Mr. Smee! Shoot 'em down!" To which Smee says, "Aye-aye, Cap'n!" and then fires. There is also an appearance by an orange-colored octopus in the water, a subtle reference for the Return To Never Land sequel, the only such reference made in the ride otherwise themed to the original movie. But aside from those, the scene is more or less identical as to how it has always been: same mermaids, same Indians and so on and on. However, the cawing noises made will also be updated to sound more like seagulls.

So anyway, you end this part of the ride by flying over Skull Rock and from there, flying by the usual scene of the ride with Wendy about to walk the plank of Hook's ship, John and Michael and the Lost Boys lashed to the ship mast, the pirates all looking on and Peter and Hook dueling up in the mainbrace. Here, the figures of Hook and Pan are improved and more convincing as their blades somehow connect. Also, so that Hook can duel with his sword instead of his hook (as is the case in the ride now, bizarrely), the positions of the two will be switched, so that now Peter Pan is on the left and Hook on the right. This is also to keep the hook on Hook's left arm as usual (in Disneyland, it's on his right arm, for some reason). Meanwhile, the crocodile waits nearby, ticking away as usual. Swinging around the ship, the pirates are all knocked out and the usual scene of a victorious Peter (now wearing Hook's hat and coat) and the Darling siblings poised at the ship's steering wheel as Peter tells Tinker Bell, "We're sailing for London." The ship now glows a bright shade of gold (in the form of fiber-optics which quickly covers the entire ship). You then see the usual scene of a defeated Hook standing precariously on the crocodile's jaws to avoid going into his mouth (the jaws actually try to scissor shut (with Hook's legs with it)). Hook calls out for help to Smee, who answers from a rowboat.

You then see one last scene before the ride ends: you go through a waterfall and instead of the visuals of the gold-colored ship, you now see a cloud version of it in the London sky, just before the unload area. You see Wendy, Mr. Darling and Nana looking at it as Mr. Darling saying, "You know, I have the strangest feeling I saw that ship once... a long time ago, when I was very young..." You then head to the unload area and get off to the right.

And that's the new and improved Peter Pan's Flight at WDW's Magic Kingdom's "new" Fantasyland!
 

mharrington

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I have an idea for the Mad Tea Party being overhauled. First, I would replace the canopy roof with something not nearly so tent-like. I would probably cover it over with some structure that resembles huge hedges, not unlike how it was presented in "Alice In Wonderland".

But that's not even the half of it. I'm thinking about doing this ride with different designs than usual, because those teacups designs they have right now are SO 1970s. I was originally thinking about just duplicating the Disneyland teacup designs, but then I thought of doing the cups instead as more like the characters from "Alice In Wonderland", with the characters' color schemes and little pieces associated with them (i.e., the Mad Hatter's 10/6 tag, the Cheshire Cat's grin, etc.). Something like the picture below:
mad-hatter-tea-party-cups.jpg


As you can see, there is an idea for the cup with the Cheshire Cat's grin on it. Maybe the one with the green-colored stripe could be themed to the Mad Hatter, with the 10/6 tag on it.

I also noticed that the carousel and now Dumbo have panels that depict scenes of their respective movies ("Cinderella" and "Dumbo", obviously) adorning the central areas. So I decided that the Mad Tea Party, also a spinner ride, should also have images of this kind, too, obviously themed to "Alice". One piece of artwork shows Alice meeting the Cheshire Cat, another shows the Unbirthday Party scene, and so on. But what should they be, though? One obvious one is the tea party scene, as I said, looking like this (but more rendered like for Dumbo):
AliceinWonderland-masterpieceedition.jpg


Or maybe it could look something like this:
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Thoughts, comments, concerns?
 

CountryBearFan

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Well, here's the first part of my idea for improving Peter Pan's Flight. I've heard that they're going to add interactive stuff, so I'll focus on the ride itself.

The ride itself will be largely the same, as there's not much room to do anything too fancy with it, so all of the updates will be in the preexisting ride. However, the track and pirate ships will be scrapped and replaced with more up to date mechanisms and lighter ships, like what happened at Disneyland. I'm not sure whether we can have four-passenger ships like in Disneyland Paris or not, but I will replace the ride mechanism.

At the same time, the load area mural will now have more designs something like the Disneyland mural. But in this case, rather than having Peter Pan and the Darling children on a cloud, they will now be flying above the city of London. It will look something like the artwork for the original home video release of the movie:
th


On the Neverland side of the queue, part of it will show the mermaids and Captain Hook's pirate ship, like in the Mary Blair piece of artwork below (just imagine it as a regular scene, instead of something stylized, as is Blair's style):
2uf7vhs.png


Moving on with the Peter Pan ride, it will have its fair share of alterations, many of whose cues are taken from the ride that we've thought of for Disneyland Australia.

So, anyway, you board your larger, more expanded pirate ship as it moves slowly through the load area without ever stopping (except for when they may have to help a handicap person get in or out). As you board, you hear the standard recording that says not to lower the safety bar yourself; it will lower automatically, which it does. You then proceed forward above the newly-added rooftops of London and then through a window into the usual first scene of the Darlings' nursery. You go past the scene of Wendy sitting next John and Michael, who are in their beds. You see Peter Pan's shadow on the wall as it flies toward a nearby window as Peter himself is heard saying, "Come on, everybody, here we go!"

You go out the window to the usual "You Can Fly! You Can Fly! You Can Fly!" melody that is heard in this ride like usual. But this time, in addition to the scene of Nana in the yard down below (a new AA version as she can actually be heard barking), you also can look to your left to see a lit window and silhouettes of Mr. and Mrs. Darling disturbed by the racket outside. "What the dickens?" Mr. Darling can be heard wondering. You then go over the usual scene of London, which will have been relatively untouched by the overhaul, save for more convincing effects here, including improved car effects on the streets and even the effect of the Thames' river's water "shimmering" in the moonlight.

You then go past the usual scene of the moon and Peter and the Darlings' silhouettes on it. But this time, they're going in the opposite direction, a more appropriate direction as you head toward the usual scene of the Neverland fly-over. The cannon effect here from Captain Hook's ship is the same, but Hook and Smee's voices have been updated. Hook now says, "Here they come, Mr. Smee! Shoot 'em down!" To which Smee says, "Aye-aye, Cap'n!" and then fires. There is also an appearance by an orange-colored octopus in the water, a subtle reference for the Return To Never Land sequel, the only such reference made in the ride otherwise themed to the original movie. But aside from those, the scene is more or less identical as to how it has always been: same mermaids, same Indians and so on and on. However, the cawing noises made will also be updated to sound more like seagulls.

So anyway, you end this part of the ride by flying over Skull Rock and from there, flying by the usual scene of the ride with Wendy about to walk the plank of Hook's ship, John and Michael and the Lost Boys lashed to the ship mast, the pirates all looking on and Peter and Hook dueling up in the mainbrace. Here, the figures of Hook and Pan are improved and more convincing as their blades somehow connect. Also, so that Hook can duel with his sword instead of his hook (as is the case in the ride now, bizarrely), the positions of the two will be switched, so that now Peter Pan is on the left and Hook on the right. This is also to keep the hook on Hook's left arm as usual (in Disneyland, it's on his right arm, for some reason). Meanwhile, the crocodile waits nearby, ticking away as usual. Swinging around the ship, the pirates are all knocked out and the usual scene of a victorious Peter (now wearing Hook's hat and coat) and the Darling siblings poised at the ship's steering wheel as Peter tells Tinker Bell, "We're sailing for London." The ship now glows a bright shade of gold (in the form of fiber-optics which quickly covers the entire ship). You then see the usual scene of a defeated Hook standing precariously on the crocodile's jaws to avoid going into his mouth (the jaws actually try to scissor shut (with Hook's legs with it)). Hook calls out for help to Smee, who answers from a rowboat.

You then see one last scene before the ride ends: you go through a waterfall and instead of the visuals of the gold-colored ship, you now see a cloud version of it in the London sky, just before the unload area. You see Wendy, Mr. Darling and Nana looking at it as Mr. Darling saying, "You know, I have the strangest feeling I saw that ship once... a long time ago, when I was very young..." You then head to the unload area and get off to the right.

And that's the new and improved Peter Pan's Flight at WDW's Magic Kingdom's "new" Fantasyland!

Sounds nice, but I would not use the octopus. The Eisner-era direct-to-video sequels are not considered canon by the company for a reason anyway and reference to them really don't have places in the parks.
 

mharrington

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Sounds nice, but I would not use the octopus. The Eisner-era direct-to-video sequels are not considered canon by the company for a reason anyway and reference to them really don't have places in the parks.

Well, it'll be so small and relatively insignificant that I don't think anyone will notice. In the London scene, I believe you see some old-fashioned cars parked in some places, not to mention tiny lights meant to represent cars traveling back and forth across a bridge. I don't think I recall seeing any cars in the movie (during the scenes in London).
 

Twilight_Roxas

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If its not canon then why did some of the music from Return to Neverland appear in Disney Dreams during the Iger-Era which the Tinkerbell films are part of Countrybearfan?
 

mharrington

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Here's another new idea of mine: I was originally thinking of including a Pinocchio dark ride in this new Fantasyland, but I fear that it would not physically fit in. Then I discovered something else that might work as an alternative, based on an abandoned concept for a possible replacement swing ride for the Orange Stinger at the California Adventure (before they decided to go with Silly Symphony Swings). It's a concept for a Pinocchio-themed swing ride, and it was to be called Geppetto's Workshop. An abandoned concept would finally come to life at WDW's new Fantasyland. Here's what The Neverland Files had to say about it:

When Mouse House management realised they needed to redo Disney's California Adventure and inject some much needed money into the park, one of the goals of the redo was to increase the presense of the characters in the park, something many guests felt was missing. So the Imagineers were challenged with finding some new theme for that giant orange jutting out of Paradise Bay. The Blue Sky Cellar, the display room at the park explaining to the guests why all the work is going on, displays some of this artwork, and I managed to photograph some of the concepts they didn't go with.

The first concept would have themed the ride to Pinocchio, renaming it 'Geppetto's Workshop'. Guests would have become one of the carpenter's puppets, hanging down with their swing chains acting as their strings - a really nice idea! The ride structure itself would have been given a very Victorian look, with a giant clockwork key at the top turning the whole ride into one of Geppetto's toys, and with murals depicting Pinocchio scenes painted all around it.

Here's a piece of artwork for it:
sillysymphonyswings1.jpg


For more information and pictures, go here to The Neverland Files: The Neverland Files: Silly Symphony Swings overlays. Obviously, it would have to be augmented to fit in with Fantasyland, since it was originally intended for Paradise Pier, but it could probably be done, and it would be a fourth spinner ride with panels from another Disney movie. It just looks like something that could actually be built. For the location, I'm thinking maybe out beyond the Village Haus somewhere.

Thoughts, comments, concerns?
 

mharrington

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Another dark ride I thought is for Storybook Circus. It's something that has been popping up lately in my ideas for improving the Magic Kingdom overall, and that is a dark ride for the Storybook Circus section of the new land. I've been putting up time and time again as a new version of "Mickey's Mad House", a concept for the original predecessor of Storybook Circus known as Dumbo's Circusland.

I know I've put up that concept a lot lately, even devoted not one thread but several to this concept (i.e., http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...circus-feedback-and-critiques-welcome.836057/), but the concept of a dark ride themed to Mickey shorts didn't seem to fit. I had originally brought it up as a way to compensate for the loss of any references to the classic Disney shorts in the Magic Kingdom, now that Toontown Fair is long gone.

Anyway, at the same time, I found that in a long thread on the updating of WDW in general, KingMickey proposed a dark ride for Storybook Circus which would play up the circus angle that was hinted at in "Madhouse". He called it Mickey's Big Top (you can Google it). In any case, I had decided to just abandon the Mickey shorts aspect and play up the circus aspect, with a dark ride in a circus environment with an emphasis on all those posters scattered about the land. I will probably go ahead and name it to what KingMickey thought of: Mickey's Big Top. However, I might add on to that, have a bit of the Roger Rabbit ride in it, namely the ability to spin the vehicle somehow, and rename the ride to Mickey's Big Top Spin. For the location, I even thought of it replacing part of the Tomorrowland Speedway, like in this image below (the area in black is the new ride's area):
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Thoughts, comments, concerns?
 

jdmdisney99

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Another dark ride I thought is for Storybook Circus. It's something that has been popping up lately in my ideas for improving the Magic Kingdom overall, and that is a dark ride for the Storybook Circus section of the new land. I've been putting up time and time again as a new version of "Mickey's Mad House", a concept for the original predecessor of Storybook Circus known as Dumbo's Circusland.

I know I've put up that concept a lot lately, even devoted not one thread but several to this concept (i.e., http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...circus-feedback-and-critiques-welcome.836057/), but the concept of a dark ride themed to Mickey shorts didn't seem to fit. I had originally brought it up as a way to compensate for the loss of any references to the classic Disney shorts in the Magic Kingdom, now that Toontown Fair is long gone.

Anyway, at the same time, I found that in a long thread on the updating of WDW in general, KingMickey proposed a dark ride for Storybook Circus which would play up the circus angle that was hinted at in "Madhouse". He called it Mickey's Big Top (you can Google it). In any case, I had decided to just abandon the Mickey shorts aspect and play up the circus aspect, with a dark ride in a circus environment with an emphasis on all those posters scattered about the land. I will probably go ahead and name it to what KingMickey thought of: Mickey's Big Top. However, I might add on to that, have a bit of the Roger Rabbit ride in it, namely the ability to spin the vehicle somehow, and rename the ride to Mickey's Big Top Spin. For the location, I even thought of it replacing part of the Tomorrowland Speedway, like in this image below (the area in black is the new ride's area):
mapwaltdisneyworldmagic.png


Thoughts, comments, concerns?
I like it. Storybook Circus would have a larger and more significant presence and the .speedway land would be put to good use.
 

mharrington

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I like it. Storybook Circus would have a larger and more significant presence and the .speedway land would be put to good use.

I think this, combined with Turtle's idea for the spinning ride themed to Donald as Donaldo, would help to make Storybook Circus into its own land, independent of Fantasyland.

Next time, I'll talk about Mickey's Big Top Spin proper.
 

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