So Cal City Pass?

primetime52

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I went to DL less than a month ago and I already want to start planning my next visit!

Being a theme park maniac, I'd like to see what else So Cal has to offer in that department. On my last trip I noticed multiple advertisements for the City Pass and have done a little research online. I've got a few questions.

1) Overall, do you feel it is a worthwile buy and a good value?

2) Are Seaworld, Universal Hollywood, and the San Diego Zoo worth my time?

3) Any particular reason why Knotts and Six Flags aren't included? Or are those parks not worth a visit anyway?

4) Whats the best place or website to purchase City Pass? Seems like I've seen it for 235 on some sites and 247 in others, which makes me believe that somewhere it could be found for even cheaper.

Thanks in advance for the replies.
 

hausdorf81

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1) It all depends on what the total cost for all those parks would be at the time you would be going.

2)As for them being woth you time, its up to you whether they are worth it. Those parks are good but if its not your thing skip them but I dont think it would hurt to try them at least once. If you dont like them you dont have to go back.

3)I think Knotts and 6flags are not included because they are not considered part of southern California.

4)citypass.com
 

DAKOTADISNEY

Active Member
We used the city bus on our Disneyland trip in '05. It was affordable and much better than driving in LA traffic. We expected our bus rides to take longer than driving ourselves but it seemed extremely slow to us. But if you're okay with that it should be a good way to go.
 

primetime52

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Original Poster
1) It all depends on what the total cost for all those parks would be at the time you would be going.

2)As for them being woth you time, its up to you whether they are worth it. Those parks are good but if its not your thing skip them but I dont think it would hurt to try them at least once. If you dont like them you dont have to go back.

3)I think Knotts and 6flags are not included because they are not considered part of southern California.

4)citypass.com

I can offer further clarification on point #2.

I'm very close to Orlando, so I have visited Universal Orlando and Seaworld Orlando multiple times. I know that Universal Hollywood is much smaller than Universal Orlando, and I've also heard from a few people that Seaworld Orlando is superior to the So Cal version. Basically what I want to know is: are these 2 parks unique and interesting enough that you guys feel they would be a worthwhile visit?

Are there elements in the So Cal versions of these parks that are unique or better than their Florida counterparts? (which can be said about many aspects of DL in comparison to WDW). If any of you have been to both the So Cal and Orlando versions, I'd love to know your comparisons. But even if you've only been to the So Cal versions, I'd still like to know your opinions on these parks so that I can use your opinions to help formulate my own.
 

TLS

Member
I'm not so sure that Universal Orlando is bigger than Hollywood. The Hollywood one is HUGE.

We got the CityPass when we went. Well worth it. San Diego Zoo and Wild Animal park are very interesting. Seaworld was also great. Personally, I feel the California versions of ALL these parks (including Disney) are far and away better.

Knotts was a bit of a disappointment. Their launch coaster and the Silver Bullet were closed as were several other smaller attractions. They DO have some real cool different rides there. Well worth the visit for sure. Don't know how someone wouldn't consider Knotts a SoCal attraction...It's right around the corner from Disneyland!:veryconfu

We didn't make it to Magic Mountain....Wish we would have though....but I really don't care for Six Flags parks to begin with....who knows though.


All in all, get the City Pass. Well worth it. Saves some considerable money.
 

primetime52

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I'm not so sure that Universal Orlando is bigger than Hollywood. The Hollywood one is HUGE.

We got the CityPass when we went. Well worth it. San Diego Zoo and Wild Animal park are very interesting. Seaworld was also great. Personally, I feel the California versions of ALL these parks (including Disney) are far and away better.

Knotts was a bit of a disappointment. Their launch coaster and the Silver Bullet were closed as were several other smaller attractions. They DO have some real cool different rides there. Well worth the visit for sure. Don't know how someone wouldn't consider Knotts a SoCal attraction...It's right around the corner from Disneyland!:veryconfu

We didn't make it to Magic Mountain....Wish we would have though....but I really don't care for Six Flags parks to begin with....who knows though.


All in all, get the City Pass. Well worth it. Saves some considerable money.

Thanks for the tips! Good to hear that you enjoyed all of those parks.

When I said that Universal Orlando is much bigger I was including the Islands of Adventure park (which most people visit on a 1 day park hopper these days). Also, when I looked up Uni Hollywood online it seems to have considerably less attractions than the Orlando park.... but that's probably because they have actual working studios there.
 

TP2000

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Oh, my, where to start?....

First off, the CityPass thing is an excellent value and a great idea for any tourist visiting SoCal. It gets you into the two big players in the LA/OC area; Universal Studios and Disneyland. And then it sort of forces you to look south to the fabulous animal offerings in practically perfect San Diego.

CityPass also skips Knott's and Six Flags, which I think is a smart thing for tourists to do. Six Flags Magic Mountain is, well, a big huge Six Flags park. It's one of the most comprehensive parks in the Six Flags chain. It's on the scale of Six Flags Great Adventure in New Jersey, with over a dozen major extreme thrill coasters. If you are a die-hard roller coaster fan, or a gang-banger in training, then a visit to Magic Mountain would be of interest. Otherwise, Six Flags Magic Mountain offers nothing that isn't available at any of the other two dozen big city amusement parks in America. Plus, since it's at the far northern edge of the sprawling LA metro area, it's not at all easy to get to for Disneyland tourists centered in OC. On a weekday during peak freeway traffic times, it can take 2 hours to get from Anaheim to Santa Clarita where Magic Mountain is. Not fun!

Knott's Berry Farm is much closer physically to Disneyland, but sadly it's a park that isn't quite what it used to be. In the 1950's, 60's, and 70's, a day at Knott's Berry Farm was almost automatically part of a SoCal visit once you'd spent a day or two at Disneyland. Knott's has a wonderful history and holds an interesting place in the evolution of the theme park industry in the 1950's and 60's, but it's best days are clearly behind them. It's no longer family owned, as it was purchased by the Cedar Fair group out of Ohio back in 1997. Over the last 10 years Cedar Fair has shut down and removed many of the original structures and entertainment that had been at Knott's for 50 or 60 years. In place of the old Ghost Town buildings, 100 year old trees, and lakes with lazy steamboat rides, big modern steel coasters have been built surrounded by pavement and sterile new landscaping bought from a Home Depot. The look and feel of Knott's has changed for the worse, and unless you are 14 and want to be flipped upside down a half dozen times a minute, there's no charm or interest in the new additions.

The other problem at Knott's besides some very questionable design and theme decisions by Cedar Fair execs in Ohio is the change in demographics visiting the place. While Disneyland has become even more upscale and stylish in the last five years, Knott's has gone more downscale and bargain-basement. The Knott's entertainment is shlocky and poorly presented. The park's new themed areas are slapped together and amateurishly decorated. And the employees are noticeably inferior to Disneyland.

Disneyland is Nordstrom, and Knott's is Wal-Mart. :cool:

Now, as for Universal Studios, there is really no comparison to the Orlando version. What is important to understand in that comparison however is the fact that Universal Studios Hollywood is a real, live, working movie studio that has been there for 80 years. In the past 40 years a theme park has been incorporated into parts and sections of the working studio. The tram tour started in 1964, and it's grown from there. The billion dollar business of the studio comes first, and they put up with an occasional tram tour rumbling by their working sets. In Orlando, you've got a theme park built in a swamp in the 1990's that has no real association with the movie industry.

The tram tour at Universal Hollywood is the major attraction here, and it's a tour that lasts a little over an hour. You see real, working sets for movies and TV shows. The tour route changes daily, or even hourly, due to filming needs and your tour guide will give you very serious directions on being quiet when you near the working sets. On my last visit with out of town friends a year ago, we rolled by Wisteria Lane while they were taping a Desperate Housewives scene. The tourists on the tram were nearly wetting their pants when they saw two of the housewives sitting in chairs just off set awaiting their cue to go on. Several other movies were being worked on in the sprawling outdoor sets, with hundreds of technicians and support folks going about the unique work of the movie business. The tram will stop and the guide will explain the movie or production at work up ahead, and then you are told to be quiet while the tram slowly drives by. You also drive past offices and production facilities with big Bentley's and Ferrari's parked out front that belong to the bigwigs that work there. The big finale' on my last visit was when Tom Hanks himself stood next to a black Mercedes clutching a Starbucks and waved and laughed at our passing tram while the tourists onboard practically hyperventilated over the spectacle of it all. :lol:

Visit Universal Studios during a regular weekday, and hit the tram tour in the morning, to have the best chance of seeing live studio work happening at several points during the tour. A weekend visit has a much lower chance of seeing work happening, especially stars or famous faces.

Meanwhile, in between all of that very legitimate entertainment industry work, the tram tour takes you through several of the "theme park" experiences. You go through the Earthquake set and show, the King Kong attack, the flash flood, Jaws, Fast & Furious, War of the Worlds, etc., etc. You also see some of the historic sets that have been maintained, like the original Psycho house and Bates Motel, outdoor sets used in old movies like The Ten Commandments, or the gates to Jurassic Park, etc. The tram tour is a theme park in itself. But just remember to visit the restroom before you board because you will be on the tram for just over an hour. Last time I went to MGM and did their tram tour I was embarassed for them. I don't even remember a tram tour at Universal Orlando, but then I was really unimpressed with the Orlando version of Universal overall so I may have just forgotten what their tram tour was like. I'm sure Universal Orlando's can't be any better than MGM's pathetic tram tour. Nothing can compare to the real-deal tram tour at Universal Hollywood.

In addition to the marquee attraction of the tram tour at Universal Hollywood, there is the usual collection of theme park thrill rides, 3-D shows and live entertainment. Shrek show, Mummy coaster, Jurassic Park flume ride, Backdraft show, Terminator show, etc. are all there. I've heard they are redoing the old Back To The Future simulator into a Simpsons ride of some sort, but not sure when that opens. Maybe for summer of '08? There's also an attached CityWalk mall that has the usual stores, restaurants, bars and clubs that CityWalk has in Orlando.

So, clearly Universal Hollywood is a major player in the SoCal theme park market. There is just the one park, obviously no Islands of Adventure. But if you are interested in the TV or movie industry, it's an experience you won't forget. Is Universal Hollywood a 1990's theme park built in a swamp with wide walkways and huge restrooms and pretending to be a movie studio for European tourists? No, it's not. Is Universal Hollywood a 80 year old working movie studio that lets people come visit on a tram and has incorporated theme park style attractions in and around it's sprawling working facilities? Yes. It's up to the individual to decide which of those two Universal experiences is more impressive to them.

The fascination with how "big" a theme park property is by East Coasters always amuses me. Is the area of Universal Studios Orlando where park guests inhabit physically "bigger" than Universal Studios Hollywood guest areas? Probably it is. But then Universal Orlando is a 1990 prefab theme park in the swamp pretending to be a real studio. The experiences and facilities you will see at Universal Hollywood however are real, and many of them were built for a purpose other than simply being a theme park.

Similarly, is the Magic Kingdom physically larger than Disneyland? I have no doubt it is. Are the walkways at Magic Kingdom wider? Yep. Is the Castle taller? Yes. Are the restrooms bigger with double the number of hand dryers? I'm sure they are. But then there's that pesky little detail that Disneyland has easily 15 more rides than Magic Kingdom, and nearly double the amount of major entertainment than Magic Kingdom. So while the walkways may be very wide at Magic Kingdom, and you'll never have to wait for a hand dryer in the Liberty Square restrooms, you'll also have a lot fewer rides to go on and less to see and do compared to Disneyland.

I generally judge a theme park by its rides, rather than its walkways and restrooms. :eek:

But by golly get a few good pictures for the folks back home of those WIDE WALKWAYS they have at Disney World! :ROFLOL:
 

primetime52

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The fascination with how "big" a theme park property is by East Coasters always amuses me. Is the area of Universal Studios Orlando where park guests inhabit physically "bigger" than Universal Studios Hollywood guest areas? Probably it is. But then Universal Orlando is a 1990 prefab theme park in the swamp pretending to be a real studio. The experiences and facilities you will see at Universal Hollywood however are real, and many of them were built for a purpose other than simply being a theme park.

Similarly, is the Magic Kingdom physically larger than Disneyland? I have no doubt it is. Are the walkways at Magic Kingdom wider? Yep. Is the Castle taller? Yes. Are the restrooms bigger with double the number of hand dryers? I'm sure they are. But then there's that pesky little detail that Disneyland has easily 15 more rides than Magic Kingdom, and nearly double the amount of major entertainment than Magic Kingdom. So while the walkways may be very wide at Magic Kingdom, and you'll never have to wait for a hand dryer in the Liberty Square restrooms, you'll also have a lot fewer rides to go on and less to see and do compared to Disneyland.

I generally judge a theme park by its rides, rather than its walkways and restrooms. :eek:

But by golly get a few good pictures for the folks back home of those WIDE WALKWAYS they have at Disney World! :ROFLOL:

Even as an evil East Coaster I agree completely with that assessment, and that's why I plan to make Disneyland a yearly trip destination from now on (after visiting DL for the first time last month.) While I like Magic Kingdom alot, I can't argue that as an individual park (not comparing the entire resort), Disneyland is better than MK, and unique enough to warrant a yearly visit for someone like me who lives only about 250 miles from WDW.

I think that most of the people who criticize Disneyland for it's size have probably never been there. It's always the "go to argument" for people who try to say that MK is a better park than DL, but I agree that this argument is completely unwarranted.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
I think that most of the people who criticize Disneyland for it's size have probably never been there. It's always the "go to argument" for people who try to say that MK is a better park than DL, but I agree that this argument is completely unwarranted.

Well, then you aren't an "evil" East Coaster at all. You are just simply an East Coaster. And as someone who spent years and years living on the East Coast myself, I'm sure you are one of the "good" ones. :lol:

Now that we have the topic of good vs. evil solved, I did some research and learned why I couldn't remember what the tram tour at Universal Orlando was like. It's because there is no tram tour at Universal Orlando! :eek: I visited the place in the mid 90's and remembered being really unimpressed with it compared to the Hollywood original. Now I'm remembering why.

A Universal Studios park without a tram tour is like a Disneyland park without a Castle. A place like that has no heart, no soul, and no real reason for being. It's just a collection of movie themed amusement park rides surrounded by ample parking and novelty restaurants. Lame.

So now my recommendation to visit Universal Studios Hollywood is even more solid. If you are at all interested in the movie/TV industry you will have an enjoyable day. But try to visit on a weekday and do the tram tour first thing in the morning.

Universal Orlando has no tram tour???? Sheesh! No wonder the country is headed into a recession and kids today don't respect their elders.
 

MainSt1993

New Member
I concur with the advice here. Universal is totally worth a trip, and Sandy Eggo (San Diego) never disappoints. Reminds me that I need to make a cameo down there next time I'm on the left coast.
 

TLS

Member
Disneyland is Nordstrom, and Knott's is Wal-Mart. :cool:

I wouldn't give it THAT much of a spread.

I'll agree with the DL = Nordstrom. I feel DL trumps MK on several levels.

But, even on our visit with several "E-Ticket" rides closed, Knott's really doesn't deserve a Wal-Mart rating. We were disappointed, however it was their "off" season.

Knott's still has a lot of very unique rides (Mine ride, stagecoach ride, galloping goose, etc) that you'll likely never see anywhere else. For that alone, I feel it should be bumped up to a Macy's level. Cedar Fair has a lot of really top notch amusement parks. I feel Knott's is one of them. It simply isn't fair to compare the two.

Rolls Royce to a Cadillac

Both are at the top of their own category. But neither competes with one another.
 

primetime52

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Well, then you aren't an "evil" East Coaster at all. You are just simply an East Coaster. And as someone who spent years and years living on the East Coast myself, I'm sure you are one of the "good" ones. :lol:

Now that we have the topic of good vs. evil solved, I did some research and learned why I couldn't remember what the tram tour at Universal Orlando was like. It's because there is no tram tour at Universal Orlando! :eek: I visited the place in the mid 90's and remembered being really unimpressed with it compared to the Hollywood original. Now I'm remembering why.

A Universal Studios park without a tram tour is like a Disneyland park without a Castle. A place like that has no heart, no soul, and no real reason for being. It's just a collection of movie themed amusement park rides surrounded by ample parking and novelty restaurants. Lame.

So now my recommendation to visit Universal Studios Hollywood is even more solid. If you are at all interested in the movie/TV industry you will have an enjoyable day. But try to visit on a weekday and do the tram tour first thing in the morning.

Universal Orlando has no tram tour???? Sheesh! No wonder the country is headed into a recession and kids today don't respect their elders.

Universal Studios Florida is a decent park but nothing all that special. When you go there, you have to realize that it's just a movie themed park, and nothing near being an actual working studio. In the 90's, part of the park was the actual working Nickelodeon Studios, which was awesome to visit as a kid. However, Nickelodeon moved out years ago and that building is now used for the Blue Man Group show.

95% of visitors to Universal Orlando prefer the Islands of Adventure Park over the original park. It has more thrill rides and more total rides, and is decently well themed (not at Disney Level but several steps above a six flags). It's also the future home of the Harry Potter themed land, which will surely boost their business tenfold.

Hmmm... funny how this thread went from SoCal Citypass to dueling Universal Studios parks... Gotta love tangents.
 

MainSt1993

New Member
But, even on our visit with several "E-Ticket" rides closed, Knott's really doesn't deserve a Wal-Mart rating. We were disappointed, however it was their "off" season.

Knott's still has a lot of very unique rides (Mine ride, stagecoach ride, galloping goose, etc) that you'll likely never see anywhere else. For that alone, I feel it should be bumped up to a Macy's level. Cedar Fair has a lot of really top notch amusement parks. I feel Knott's is one of them. It simply isn't fair to compare the two.

Rolls Royce to a Cadillac

Both are at the top of their own category. But neither competes with one another.

Oh no - Knott's isn't Macy's. Maybe Sears? :ROFLOL:
 

TLS

Member
Oh no - Knott's isn't Macy's. Maybe Sears? :ROFLOL:

OK

How would you rate Knott's to say....SixFlags or Kings Dominion?

I consider Knott's a good step above them. Not quite Busch Gardens, but certainly better than ANY Six Flags.

I'm not talking about quantity of rides/attractions, but the uniqueness of the park and it's history.

I've never been on a stage coach before visiting Knotts.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
TLS has a good point with comparing Knott's to other regional theme parks around the country. When you do that, Knott's improves its rating a bit.

I was probably too harsh in my Knott's = WalMart analogy. But there's no way Knott's is a Macy's, especially with their current levels of showmanship, dusty upkeep, and the lack of working details. (We went on Jaguar, and not a single special effect was working. None. You could see all the nozzles and spots on the track where fire used to erupt and mist used to steam and lights used to work. It's all broken, dismantled, and/or turned off on Jaguar now.)

I would rank the WDW Parks, especially Magic Kingdom, as equating to a big, sprawling Macy's.

Disneyland is still Nordstrom though. And there's a difference between Nordstrom and Macy's, even though they sell a lot of the same merchandise at the same price ranges. Just the difference in shopping bags between Nordies and Macy's speaks volumes.

But back to Knott's Berry Farm. How about we compromise with Knott's = JCPenney on a good day.
 

TLS

Member
But back to Knott's Berry Farm. How about we compromise with Knott's = JCPenney on a good day.

I wasnt aware that they were that bad. I just assumed that our early November '05 visit caught them at the height of their maintenance timeframe. Several big rides were down, and some things weren't working. I just figured that we hit them at their worst. Apparently, from some of your comments, this is the norm.

Cedar Fair took over a local park here (Dorney) in the early 90's and I've witnessed it grow in a good way. I also hear that Cedar Point is one of the country's best.

Lets hope they improve Knott's and not let it slide further.
 

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