-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
News Disney Lakeshore Lodge (Project 89 - Development near Fort Wilderness)
- Thread starter danlb_2000
- Start date
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
While I don't think that's in the cards...you get MAD props for the old school reference
People complain about the crowds now...what they fail to realize is just how many more people they can pack before they get to capacity...two different things. Anyone who has been in Epcot (several times by particularly 1999) or magic kingdom (once was quite enough) on 12/31 can attest to that...it's like a band of brothers situation.
From what I recently saw...the fastpass system is already failing...more crowds flooded property wide will make their slate of attractions completely inadequate. They know...hence dumping money into the additions announced last year (unless a crash hits...then they can peel back and ride the storm a little)..but all that stuff is just making up for management ineptitude in Orlando. You can't get flat footed when you have to hide every cent spent from Wall Street and are in a constant war with your imagineers over costs and schedules. And that...is the iger era in wdw...in an oversimplified nutshell.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
If I had to "guess"....longterm research into demographics indicate that camping in wdw will go obsolete/die out when the 20th century clientele disappears?
jbolen2
Well-Known Member
At first I thought that too, but My wife and I are 32 and see lots of campers around our age each trip we take.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Right...but that's more the gen X/gen y "adventurist crowd" (typically)...the "REI mafia"....I don't know if that translates into a strong fort wilderness longterm
NiarrNDisney
Well-Known Member
Not to give the Mouse any ideas but I am honestly surprised they haven't consider filling in the area between River Country and Discovery Island to create more land to build on.
(Ducks flying bottle)
(Ducks flying bottle)
They can't, Bay Lake is a natural lake and based on environmental laws it would be illegal. They could fill in parts of Seven Seas Lagoon which was manmade.Not to give the Mouse any ideas but I am honestly surprised they haven't consider filling in the area between River Country and Discovery Island to create more land to build on.
(Ducks flying bottle)
matt9112
Well-Known Member
there is no way on earth Disney is building ANYTHING on this land thast isn't going to immediately have ROI.
I have no insider knowledge but there is no incentive to any degree to build anything other than a hotel/DVC.
interesting to note that it's on each side of the the former site because they probably already know everything about the former site so what they want to build is bigger aka longer.
matt9112
Well-Known Member
I think the big changes recently to the DTD resorts was in essence "more value hotel" space. albeit without the theming. I don't think Disney wants 100 dollar a night rooms they want 400 dollar a night rooms that it sounds like you will line up to buy
nothing helps with crowding like new DVC.
matt9112
Well-Known Member
haven't insiders said the value,moderate,deluxe structure isn't long for this world?
matt9112
Well-Known Member
I know I'm in the minority but I'm really hoping it's a new value resort. I'm assuming Pops prices will increase when the gondolas open and the All Stars are pretty terrible
so you think a new resort even closer to the MK will be affordable.....interesting.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
None of their moves over the last 10 years has given the SLIGHTEST hint they want "budget" hotel rooms at all.
$400 a night "suites" on the abandoned second half of Pop, massive increases to rates at values and moderates and now they're converting mod space to dvc and business class and adding a cable car that will greatly increase prices to the Caribbean, pop, AoA block...
I think it's pretty clear what's going on.
The thing around the rumor mill is this: we believe everything about rides - which are low percentage success rumors - and don't believe the obvious business/money angles...which are all but guaranteed.
DisneyDreamer08
Well-Known Member
I wasn't considering the location. Honestly, I'd have to look on a map to see where this spot was in regards to the theme parks. My first thought was just that it would be nice to have another resort in our price range. And like I said, I know we are in the minority. I fully realize who Disney caters too nowadays.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I don't disagree with your stance...I just see no desire by disney that they have any interest in rooms in lower price ranges. It's against everything they're doing. Timeshares at $180 per unit and rising (I paid $77), $1000 a night "experience" hotels, and demolishing blocks of the old "affordable" hotels and adding higher end and direct transport systems?
...it is what it is. At $125 per day ticket and rising..."affordability" is not a concern. I've said it before and I'll say it again: blame espn.
Last edited:
"Owning you own county" (which they really don't) has nothing to do with it. Florida law allows for anyone to build on areas classified as wetlands by jumping through a few hoops.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Right...so contrary to what wetland protections are for...it's not like they haven't screwed up major swamp systems before
My point on RCID is this: there's really nothing they "can't" do...like at all...I see "cant" used a lot on things like this and it honestly almost never applies.
John park hopper
Well-Known Member
Exactly, why build truely budget hotel rooms for the unwashed masses when they can build top dollar hotels and still pack them in
I can't think of a single thing "Can't" really applies to 100% of the time with the exception of my previous statement.Right...so contrary to what wetland protections are for...it's not like they haven't screwed up major swamp systems before
My point on RCID is this: there's really nothing they "can't" do...like at all...I see "cant" used a lot on things like this and it honestly almost never applies.