Quit making $200 million pieces of crap films!

JimboJones123

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Original Poster
Not every film you produce must be a major blockbuster. Prince of Persia has a semi interested following at best. It won't break $100, just like your non- Pixar animated films. Quit throwing tons of money into failures.


Okay, rant done.

Thanks.
 

jt04

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Curious to hear what you think about Tim Burton's adaptation of Alice in Wonderland?

Funny you shouls ask as I just saw the DVD and since he is not answerin I will offer my opinion.

That Avatar was rated "fresh" and Alice "rotten" on RT, I've become convinced people in this country have gone madder than the hatter. Alice is close to a classic movie. I am floored by how good this movie is. I didn't know he was capable of such a great movie. Can't wait for Dark Shadows and whatever else the future holds. By far his best movie and filled with muchness! :sohappy:
 

Skip

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Funny you shouls ask as I just saw the DVD and since he is not answerin I will offer my opinion.

That Avatar was rated "fresh" and Alice "rotten" on RT, I've become convinced people in this country have gone madder than the hatter. Alice is close to a classic movie. I am floored by how good this movie is. I didn't know he was capable of such a great movie. Can't wait for Dark Shadows and whatever else the future holds. By far his best movie and filled with muchness! :sohappy:

I'll go ahead and disagree. Alice felt like a marketing machine film - something only created to churn out Hot Topic-heavy merchandise for the Tim Burton goth/emo crowd. The story was alright, I suppose, but the whole thing felt too digital with a bit of an off narrative... no actual sets or physical effects hurt this one, I think, as did the confused, meandering plotline. I did like some of the creature designs (March Hare & Cheshire Cat were my favorites) and didn't care for others (Tweedle Dee/Dum, White Queen, Hatter). Depp did an alright performance but it was a bit empty, at least in my opinion - a closer tie to the original animated film would've made the overall picture better in my opinion. It was enjoyable to an extent, yes, but a near-classic? Not so much. I feel the high-rotten rating is about right.

Avatar, however, deserves more credit than I think it got. The acting was so-so in certain places but quite good in others, and for the first time in a long, long time the special effects of the film shocked & awed me - I was drawn into the 3D world presented. The story was derivative, but competent - a classic for its technological impact, but not so much the storytelling performed.

I haven't seen Prince of Persia yet, but it seems to have been kind of a bust with domestic audiences, with low domestic box office as well as low popularity (my friends whom have seen it said they didn't care for it). It did much better as I assume much of you know overseas, but it remains to be seen if that'll be enough to produce the new "Pirates" franchise Disney was going for...
 

jt04

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I'll go ahead and disagree. Alice felt like a marketing machine film - something only created to churn out Hot Topic-heavy merchandise for the Tim Burton goth/emo crowd. The story was alright, I suppose, but the whole thing felt too digital with a bit of an off narrative... no actual sets or physical effects hurt this one, I think, as did the confused, meandering plotline. I did like some of the creature designs (March Hare & Cheshire Cat were my favorites) and didn't care for others (Tweedle Dee/Dum, White Queen, Hatter). Depp did an alright performance but it was a bit empty, at least in my opinion - a closer tie to the original animated film would've made the overall picture better in my opinion. It was enjoyable to an extent, yes, but a near-classic? Not so much. I feel the high-rotten rating is about right.

Avatar, however, deserves more credit than I think it got. The acting was so-so in certain places but quite good in others, and for the first time in a long, long time the special effects of the film shocked & awed me - I was drawn into the 3D world presented. The story was derivative, but competent - a classic for its technological impact, but not so much the storytelling performed.

I haven't seen Prince of Persia yet, but it seems to have been kind of a bust with domestic audiences, with low domestic box office as well as low popularity (my friends whom have seen it said they didn't care for it). It did much better as I assume much of you know overseas, but it remains to be seen if that'll be enough to produce the new "Pirates" franchise Disney was going for...

Admittedly I didn't see either in 3D and Avatar's sfx were the best ever. That said I hated the story. I see why people compare it to "Dances" (which is a great movie) but Avatar felt like propaganda to me. And George Lucas already covered this ground with Return of the Jedi on Endor (?).

Avatar will go the way of Titanic. Alice however was "original" and the dialog was great. I need to watch it again with sub-titles as I missed a lot of the jokes I'm sure. Great story, script, sfx etc. Well done. Never thought I'd say that about a TB movie.
 

disneysroyal411

New Member
Know what really annoys me, is that people always want the past. I see so much of that on this site. Everyone complains that it wasn't close enough to the original or that it wasn't Disney enough. Well things have to change sometimes. It's like wanting a dark ride but without any new special effects or new movements in animatronics. Disney has to change and adapt to the world today which is different then it was back when. All you need to do is accept the fact that we can't go back and redo everything the way it was or we won't move forward.
 

Skip

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Admittedly I didn't see either in 3D and Avatar's sfx were the best ever. That said I hated the story. I see why people compare it to "Dances" (which is a great movie) but Avatar felt like propaganda to me. And George Lucas already covered this ground with Return of the Jedi on Endor (?).

Avatar will go the way of Titanic. Alice however was "original" and the dialog was great. I need to watch it again with sub-titles as I missed a lot of the jokes I'm sure. Great story, script, sfx etc. Well done. Never thought I'd say that about a TB movie.

Lucas did a fine job of shooting a bunch of teddy bear creatures amidst a large forest planet... visually this was nice, but I honestly disliked the Ewoks out of pure annoyance. Avatar created the whole lush world of Pandora with numerous species and jaw-dropping, memorable environments (vs Endor's more basic forest). I felt Avatar was pretty much Ferngully + Dances with Wolves + a dash of Pocahantas, so you're obviously in for a pretty environmentally friendly-pushing film... but you can't deny that the film sets up its climax exceptionally well.

I honestly didn't find Alice that original. I loved the concept of it being a sort of "sequel" to the original tale, but they didn't utilize that plot device enough - in fact, in many respects it completely diverted from the original Disney Alice tale! I found the story a bit weak but serviceable, and there were some very nice, quotable lines (mostly by Hatter). I have a feeling I would've absolutely loved Alice if it had been done in mostly practical effects - CGI is great in certain places, but seriously I think Alice and Depp were the only ons actually acting in front of the blue screens! I want to see some physical sets, effects, characters - that caterpillar could've been stellar had it been a puppet! But I suppose that's just my visual style preference - though, I will note, many cohorts (and critics for that matter) saw the film as too "digital" appearing. Was it entertaining? Yes. Is it a classic? Not in my opinion.
 

Disneyfanman

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It's interesting how different movies affect people differently. I loved Avatar and thought it was, despite a story that we have seen before, an absolute classic. I saw it in 3-D, Imax 3-D, and multiple times on video. My daughter thought it was good, my wife couldn't watch the visuals without getting sick, and my sons agreed with me.

Alice was beautiful, but other than the climax, it left me cold. That's a problem that I often have with Tim Burton films. Not sure why. It didn't stop me from going, but I stopped at one viewing. My family all agreed with that assessment.

Prince of Persia was average at best. Nothing terrible, and nothing special. Way overpriced production. It could have been made for way less and it would have lost nothing. A comparison for me is the last Mummy movie. Or the last Indiana Jones film. Too bad.

The box office would tell you the same story. Avatar was a perfect game. Alice a grand slam. POP kind of a poor mans bunt.

It's interesting that they cost similar amts for production.
 

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