Quick Question about Mission:Space

[the-reason]

Ive pondered this for awhile, so I decided to ask the people who may know it.
On M:S, when the ride first starts, U know how they tilt your cabin ALL the way back before liftoff. Well if you are all the way on your back how do they pull off those Gs in that particular position.Because according to the animated simulation in the waiting area and briefing room, the cabins never really tilt back thusly being able to create the sustained Gforces.But IF in that animated simulation they showed the cabins tilting back and the direction of the spinning wouldnt that just create max weightlessness instead of Gs.:veryconfu

I hope Im saying this were every one can understand, but any feedback will be appreciated.

Thanks
R.Hughes

 

[raven]

I haven't rode the attraction yet but I'm sure that they have everything planned out in ways you will never know. Just because the pre-show shows you something that the pod may do doesn't mean it will do that. The movie is just a way to get you psychologicly ready for the mission.

 

[TestTrack]

never ridden it but my guess is they never tilt you back and then when they spin you you would feel g's mostly on your back which would create the feeling of bring thrusted upwards

 

[TheOneVader]

I don't think you actually tilt back, I think that it just spins a little creatign a few Gs to make you think you are. Either that, or it tilts back then really quickly comes back upright and spins...

 

[TestTrack]

I think I get it....it never tilts back...disney probably adds a little "rumble" to make you think something is happening but they probably gradually accelerate you to 1 g of force on your back....making you feel as if you were lying on your back:king:

 

[the-reason]

Yeah, I thought that they really didnt tilt you back but sorta semi tilt you on your back.Or they just make it feel like your on your back by slowly spinning you before take off, that is a reasonable explanation.But this past trip I could have sworn they tilted us all the way on our backs.They couldhave and then quickly let us up straight like one of you said but I still dont know.

Any more.

 

[ItstheM]

If you've ever been on a Starship 2000, or a Gravitron at a local carnival, the effect seems to sound the same. They spin the ship around with everyone standing against these verticle beds. After it spins fast enought you feel like you are laying against the wall

 

[Mikejakester]

I rode the green module on the 31st of December. And to tell you the truth I never felt like the pod fliped all the way(90degress) on the lift off. I could tell becuase I was video taping the attracction and the lense cap of the camara never went horizontal, only when it was spinning. I know for sure it flips forward and backwards however I doubt it flips 90 degress. Then again I haven't seen it from the outside so I could be wrong. And anyways if it does flip all the way back it has to come flip back to the original position due to the fact that if it spins in that position you would experience Negative G's ( max weightlesness as the-reason would put it ) and I never felt that.

NEver the less thats one hell of calibrated machine. I bet there had years of testing that attraction. everything is so perfect.

:sohappy:

 

[the-reason]

Very interesting Observations Mikejakester.

But I still think that they tilt you on your back cuz I could have sworn they did that before Takeoff.But you could be right as to they are spinning you and rumbling the capsule to making you think that your are on your back.

PS the reason why I felt I was on my back, is cuz the feeling you get while your on your back is what I felt.SSE for example when it turns you backwards to take you back down is identical to what I felt on MS before takeoff

 

[raven]

Originally posted by the-reason
Very interesting Observations Mikejakester.

But I still think that they tilt you on your back cuz I could have sworn they did that before Takeoff.But you could be right as to they are spinning you and rumbling the capsule to making you think that your are on your back.

PS the reason why I felt I was on my back, is cuz the feeling you get while your on your back is what I felt.SSE for example when it turns you backwards to take you back down is identical to what I felt on MS before takeoff

Someone drop a penny infront of them during this part. That way the mystery will be solved for all of us. If it falls to the floor, you are upright. If it falls toward you, you are tilted back. :hammer:

 

[Mikejakester]

Someone drop a penny infront of them during this part. That way the mystery will be solved for all of us. If it falls to the floor, you are upright. If it falls toward you, you are tilted back.

This will work only if the module is not spinning. If it is. The penny would still fall towards you. You can do something else in this part to see if your fliped or not.

when you feel like if you were laying down. Look to your left or right. If you feel wierd then your spining and not really laying down. If you feel fine. Then your fliped.
:zipit:

or you could always ask someone that works there. Then again they might play along tell you what ever they are trained to tell you.
:king: :lol:

 

[raven]

Originally posted by Mikejakester
This will work only if the module is not spinning. If it is. The penny would still fall towards you.

OK. Time for a lesson in physics. If you are in a car going 60 mph and you hold out a penny infront of you and drop it, will the penny fall toward you? No, it falls to the floor. Why would the pod be different? It's the same principal. :animwink:

The only way it would fall toward you is if you are on your back or it suddenly speeds up at the exact moment that you drop it.

Just trying to get someone to do it to see what happens then we can all know.

 

[TestTrack]

Originally posted by Mikejakester
This will work only if the module is not spinning. If it is. The penny would still fall towards you. You can do something else in this part to see if your fliped or not.

when you feel like if you were laying down. Look to your left or right. If you feel wierd then your spining and not really laying down. If you feel fine. Then your fliped.
:zipit:

or you could always ask someone that works there. Then again they might play along tell you what ever they are trained to tell you.
:king: :lol:

and you are a mechanical engineer?...

 

[MrNonacho]

I brought a penny on a string on the ride once, and the result was just like what Mikejakester saw with the lens cap. It pointed at pretty close to a 45 degree angle to the floor, which would indicate that they are applying around 1-G to you through the centrifuge in addition to gravity.

Also, if you move you head around while you're "tilted back," you can feel that weird disorienting feeling very slightly, which means that you are indeed moving at that point.

You are definitely not on your back.

 

[raven]

Originally posted by MrNonacho
I brought a penny on a string on the ride once, and the result was just like what Mikejakester saw with the lens cap. It pointed at pretty close to a 45 degree angle to the floor, which would indicate that they are applying around 1-G to you through the centrifuge in addition to gravity.

Also, if you move you head around while you're "tilted back," you can feel that weird disorienting feeling very slightly, which means that you are indeed moving at that point.

You are definitely not on your back.

Thank you for clearing up the mystery. You are great! :sohappy:

 

[TestTrack]

which is exactly what I said from the start

 

[the-reason]

OK, THanks you guys.

So basically they rumble the thing and your tricked into thinking that you are on your back, but your really in an upright position and that they are spinning you and putting the right amount of Gs to make it feel like your on your back.

Yea that makes sense.

Ok I got it.

So that means the part where you experience the weighlessness
is when they simply slow down the centrifuge and tilt the cabin slightly forward.

OK thanks it all makes sense now:sohappy: :wave: :wave:

 

[Mikejakester]

OK. Time for a lesson in physics. If you are in a car going 60 mph and you hold out a penny in front of you and drop it, will the penny fall toward you? No, it falls to the floor. Why would the pod be different? It's the same principal.

Ok time for a lesson on physics.

There is something in physics called inertia, momentum and centripetal force.

When riding in a car at 60 mph your body and the penny are also riding at 60 mph. This means the relative speed of your body and the penny would be 0 mph in relation to the car. That’s why it falls to the ground. Why do you think you’re able to walk inside the cabin of an airplane? Because your body is going the same speed as the plane. Let’s say the plane stops from 500mph to 0mph. Your body would shoot to the front of the plane at 500mph. That’s inertia.

Now the centrifuge at mission space does not travel in a straight line. They rotate in a circle thus creating a centripetal force. I’m not going to go into details of this because it hard enough explaining it through here and with out sketches. So picture your washer. Notice the spin cycle how the cloths stick to the walls. That’s called centripetal force. Where the cloths (body) want to travel in a straight line (like the car) but hit the wall of the washer again. It's like having a penny on a string. If you swing the string in a circular motion that penny is going to feel and X amount of G's due to the centripetal force, As soon as you let go, the penny will travel in a straight line till it loses all of it's kinetic Energy. That’s why the penny would fall towards you while spinning instead of falling to the ground.

If you don't have an Idea of how centripetal force works then you’ll probably have a hard time understanding what I wrote. But that’s my lesson on physics.

Don't mix Apples with bananas Raven. :animwink:

And yes... I will get my degree in 1 1/2 year TestTrack.

Cheerio!

Have a Magical Day
:king: :wave:

 

[raven]

Originally posted by Mikejakester
Don't mix Apples with bananas Raven. :animwink:

That's ok. I don't even like bananas.

 

[TestTrack]

Originally posted by Mikejakester
Ok time for a lesson on physics.

There is something in physics called inertia, momentum and centripetal force.

When riding in a car at 60 mph your body and the penny are also riding at 60 mph. This means the relative speed of your body and the penny would be 0 mph in relation to the car. That’s why it falls to the ground. Why do you think you’re able to walk inside the cabin of an airplane? Because your body is going the same speed as the plane. Let’s say the plane stops from 500mph to 0mph. Your body would shoot to the front of the plane at 500mph. That’s inertia.

Now the centrifuge at mission space does not travel in a straight line. They rotate in a circle thus creating a centripetal force. I’m not going to go into details of this because it hard enough explaining it through here and with out sketches. So picture your washer. Notice the spin cycle how the cloths stick to the walls. That’s called centripetal force. Where the cloths (body) want to travel in a straight line (like the car) but hit the wall of the washer again. It's like having a penny on a string. If you swing the string in a circular motion that penny is going to feel and X amount of G's due to the centripetal force, As soon as you let go, the penny will travel in a straight line till it loses all of it's kinetic Energy. That’s why the penny would fall towards you while spinning instead of falling to the ground.

If you don't have an Idea of how centripetal force works then you’ll probably have a hard time understanding what I wrote. But that’s my lesson on physics.

Don't mix Apples with bananas Raven. :animwink:

And yes... I will get my degree in 1 1/2 year TestTrack.

Cheerio!

Have a Magical Day
:king: :wave:

Ok, thats all good and accurate must have misunderstood your previous wording. I was a little worried....

But we're all good now