Potter Pooped

Big C 73

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Do you think Universal is going overboard with the Harry Potter expansion, or in other words going to run the franchise in the ground. Also, will it be a turn off for non Harry Potter fans?
 

ShookieJones

We need time for things to happen.
They currently have an area that amounts to a couple of rides, a "show" and some shops and the area is usually overflowing with people...
I think they could change all of US into potterland and they'd be ok.
As long as the rides are on pace with fj and the level of theming continues fans and non fans alike will be more than happy.
 

bsiev1977

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Considering there is only the slimmest of chances that Rowling will write more Potter books, Uni is the only place for fans to get any "new" Potter related experiences.

As far as for non-Potter fans, if the experiences are good enough they will enjoy them.
For example, I can't imagine a non-Potter fan wouldn't be thoroughly impressed by the whole experience of Forbidden Journey. Knowing the source material isn't necessary, in my opinion.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
im worried of potters staying power universal has a tendency of jumping the gun on franchises


A decade of successful movies is certainly staying power. The question is, will the parents of tomorrow share it with their kids with the same fervor that my generation shares Star Wars with our kids?
 

billDozer

Active Member
A decade of successful movies is certainly staying power. The question is, will the parents of tomorrow share it with their kids with the same fervor that my generation shares Star Wars with our kids?

potter has a large and very devoted fan base but idk if the general public is as into it as they were with something like star wars when it was originally over. potter is at a point right now where in ten more years it could either go the star wars route or the star trek route. where one is pretty much liked by all and think its pretty cool with or without seeing the films or reading the books or can become something for a specific fan base that has seen and read everything and is looked at as kinda weird and meh by the general public. i think that uni grabbed it and made too much too soon
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
potter has a large and very devoted fan base but idk if the general public is as into it as they were with something like star wars when it was originally over. potter is at a point right now where in ten more years it could either go the star wars route or the star trek route. where one is pretty much liked by all and think its pretty cool with or without seeing the films or reading the books or can become something for a specific fan base that has seen and read everything and is looked at as kinda weird and meh by the general public. i think that uni grabbed it and made too much too soon


I quite agree.

Potter has a very large and devoted fan base, as does Star Wars, and does Star Trek. I wouldn't agree that any of that devoted fan base today is seen by general society as "normal".

I do agree, the Potter franchise will probably fizzle away into fan obscurity, as does most of Disney's work...how many kids have actually SEEN Pinocchio, and yet know who he is. For example...I'm a disney nut, and I can tell you, my kid had never seen the movie by age 5 when I took her, but she knew EXACTLY who he was when she met him at WDW...I can't explain it.

Will the Potter legacy carry this same general awareness? I'm not sure. But, a decade of kids growing up with it, I think it's possible. I think the one thing Potter lacks, that Star Wars, or Star Trek, had going for it, is future fiction. When the fans couldn't convince new movies to be made, for whatever reason, they were entertained by both concepts with novels.

As J.K. is strongly against that, you won't see this with Potter, which, I think will limit the growing power of the brand, as those who loved it growing up won't have anything new to turn to, and eventually will grow bored and move on to something else.

That is the Achilles heel of the concept, to me.
 

Darth Tater

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im worried of potters staying power universal has a tendency of jumping the gun on franchises
Have you seen the 2012 theme park attendance figures released last week? DAK's broken yeti and lack of adding...anything brought in more guests than WWOHP did for IOA.

Granted, the land is amazing, and I'm sure WWOHP London will be just as remarkable. But Universal needs to keep adding to these lands in order to keep them fresh & new in people's minds.
 

KJC

Active Member
Have you seen the 2012 theme park attendance figures released last week? DAK's broken yeti and lack of adding...anything brought in more guests than WWOHP did for IOA.

Granted, the land is amazing, and I'm sure WWOHP London will be just as remarkable. But Universal needs to keep adding to these lands in order to keep them fresh & new in people's minds.

Islands of Adventure had double the growth of Animal Kingdom, three years after Potter opened, with no new expansions to I of A since.

It's also worth noting that IofA is currently UOR's primary gate, much like Magic Kingdom is for WDW. I imagine Animal Kingdom's attendance would be much lower if not for multi-park passes. Same is probably true for Universal Studios, which is why they're pouring so much money into that park now.
 

HTF

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Everything is based off of current performance from phase 1 and there is nothing Universal can build to increase attendance and profits than a phase 2 could. People were demanding more Potter in surveys and guest feedback. Phase 1 has single handily changed the resort and company directive.

How can anyone question Universals quest for adding more Potter?

IOA Attendance
2009: 4.2 Million Visitors
2010: 5.9 Million Visitors
2011: 7.6 Million Visitors
2012: 7.96 Million Visitors

Also the biggest thing people overlook in the bringing more Potter conversation is guest spending. Guest spending since its opened has soared each year like clockwork averaging gains of 4-29% quarterly over the previous years results. And don't forget record numbers at their hotels as well.
 

Zman-ks

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"If you build it, they will come."
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Pretty sure thats true here...don't underestimate the power of Harry Potter....
 

cheezbat

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Does Disney count park hoppers in it's attendance count??? I would think yes they do and that makes attendances counts more difficult to figure out. I always go to AK on a hopper,never spend a whole day there and I would not buy a ticket just for AK, I doubt many people would. WDW has many people who show up for a week or so vacation and that is what Uni is trying to fix, WDW sells a whole week of entertainment and people will hit all their parks maybe the water parks etc. Uni is known more for a one day stop but that is changing, Uni is easily a 2 or 3 day vacation now and add Wet + Wild you could stay longer.

Don't be surprised if the numbers keeping heading towards Uni over the next few years I'm thinking AK and DHS will feel the pinch soon. I have been in three Disney parks in one day so you have to wonder about the those attendance numbers.
If Universal keeps up with their current aggressive strategy, we will see two very full Uni parks, five nice hotels, a highly themed Waterpark, and a potential third theme park within the next decade. This resort is looking to become a weeklong destination in its own right....and if they keep it up they sure will be!
 

TalkingHead

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If Universal keeps up with their current aggressive strategy, we will see two very full Uni parks, five nice hotels, a highly themed Waterpark, and a potential third theme park within the next decade. This resort is looking to become a weeklong destination in its own right....and if they keep it up they sure will be!

It's funny to think how much this sounds like WDW's glory days in the 80s.

I'm just glad that Uni hasn't jumped the gun on the third gate and is keeping their two parks fresh and up to date. And it sounds like they're going to keep plussing the two current parks for the next several years.

Seems like a solid business plan.
 

culturenthrills

Well-Known Member
Everything is based off of current performance from phase 1 and there is nothing Universal can build to increase attendance and profits than a phase 2 could. People were demanding more Potter in surveys and guest feedback. Phase 1 has single handily changed the resort and company directive.

How can anyone question Universals quest for adding more Potter?

IOA Attendance
2009: 4.2 Million Visitors
2010: 5.9 Million Visitors
2011: 7.6 Million Visitors
2012: 7.96 Million Visitors

Also the biggest thing people overlook in the bringing more Potter conversation is guest spending. Guest spending since its opened has soared each year like clockwork averaging gains of 4-29% quarterly over the previous years results. And don't forget record numbers at their hotels as well.

Yes and that is real guest spending not Disney's let's jack up our prices to show guests are spending more BS.
 

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