Pixar to Stay Put at Disney, Says Report

General Grizz

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PIXAR TO STAY PUT AT DISNEY, SAYS REPORT
Wednesday, July 21 2004

After holding discussions with MGM, Sony, Warner Bros. and Fox, Steve Jobs' Pixar Animation Studios has concluded that it will remain partnered with Disney, the New York Post reported today (Wednesday), citing sources familiar with the matter. The newspaper commented that such a development would represent a significant victory for Disney CEO Michael Eisner, whose relationship with Jobs was described by the Post as "acrimonious." (Jobs has told interviewers in the past that he would renew negotiations with Disney only if Eisner was forced out.) Jobs had reportedly been hoping that another studio would agree to a deal in which it would receive simply a distribution fee to handle Pixar films and would not share in their profits.

Disney and Pixar: Reunited?

July 21, 2004

Tim Arango

Hollywood is gearing up for an unlikely reunion.

Steve Jobs' Pixar Animation Studios is likely to renew a lucrative movie-making partnership with Disney, according to sources familiar with the matter.

Despite publicly backing out of talks with Disney in January and making the rounds of other Hollywood studios looking for a partner, Jobs has come to believe that the best home for Pixar is at Disney after all, sources said.

A reunion would mark a significant victory for Disney CEO Michael Eisner, who has long had an acrimonious relationship with Jobs.

Pixar's decision earlier this year to end discussions with Disney over an extension of their deal became a focal point for angry shareholders looking to oust Eisner.

But it appears Eisner called Jobs' bluff when he dug in and refused to renew the deal on the significantly less lucrative terms that Pixar had been proposing.

Under the current deal, which expires at the end of 2005, Disney and Pixar split the profits on the movies evenly; Disney also receives a 12.5 percent distribution fee. By some estimates Disney and Pixar could split some $1 billion from their most recent hit, "Finding Nemo."

Pixar had been seeking a new deal that would pay Disney only a distribution fee which some have said was as low as 10 percent. Pixar had also sought to alter the terms of the existing deal.

After bailing on Disney, Pixar held preliminary discussions with other studios, including MGM, Sony, Warner Bros. and Fox. (Both Fox and The Post are owned by News Corp.)

Now, executives at those companies have all but given up hope of striking a deal with Pixar, sources said.

Pixar had also been wooed by Comcast after the cable giant attempted a hostile takeover of Disney. Comcast had sought to bring Jobs to its side in the hopes of convincing Disney shareholders that a merger with Comcast would come with a renewed Pixar deal.

Representatives for Pixar and Disney declined comment.

In March, when Eisner's job seemed to be in jeopardy amid a backlash from dissident shareholders, Jobs told Hollywood associates that he would go back to Disney only if Eisner left.

Now he appears to be changing his tune, sources say, and is likely to stick with Disney regardless of how long Eisner remains as CEO.

If Jobs were to leave the Disney fold, he would be leaving behind a film library that includes hits such as "Toy Story" and "Monsters Inc." He would also lose the rights to make sequels.

"He'll probably give Disney a shot again because it doesn't make sense to split the library," said a source.

Still, a new deal between Pixar and Disney is not likely to be completed soon. Before the current expiration date, the companies have two more movies to make: "The Incredibles" and "Cars."

"Jobs really doesn't have to do anything today," said a source. "He can wait."

Source: Copyright 2004 NYP Holdings, Inc. All rights reserved.
 

careship

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Well this is interesting.

The only thing that puzzles me is that Disney nor Pixar commented on this. Maybe there is more to this then it looks.
 

dxwwf3

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I hope that report is accurate. Disney really needs Pixar, and vice versa. Sure it may be good news for Eisner, but it is good news for Disney in general. Let's just hope it's right.
 

xfkirsten

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I gotta beg to differ. I really don't think Pixar needs Disney anymore. They did initially, but their name, their reputation, is well-known to the public now. I think they'd do very well without having to share a huge cut with Disney. However, Disney still needs Pixar, seeing as how Disney's biggest-grossing animated films nowadays seem to be coming out of Pixar.

I must say this is quite surprising news, though.

-Kirsten
 

General Grizz

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dxwwf3 said:
I hope that report is accurate. Disney really needs Pixar, and vice versa. Sure it may be good news for Eisner, but it is good news for Disney in general. Let's just hope it's right.
Agreed. . . but I wish Jobs would be more forceful and public about the 'No Pixar until Eisner gets the boot.'

Good news in so many senses, but this would be a GRAND opportunity.

(Let's just say I'd like to see the Pixar guys running Disney versus the Eisner guys - after all, Pixar folk ARE the true Disney folk in oh too many senses ;) )!
 

dxwwf3

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xfkirsten said:
I gotta beg to differ. I really don't think Pixar needs Disney anymore. They did initially, but their name, their reputation, is well-known to the public now. I think they'd do very well without having to share a huge cut with Disney. However, Disney still needs Pixar, seeing as how Disney's biggest-grossing animated films nowadays seem to be coming out of Pixar.

I must say this is quite surprising news, though.

-Kirsten

I guess you could say that, but if Pixar releases new movies under a new company I probably won't see them in theaters. I know other people are like this too. I go to those movies because they are DISNEY/Pixar films. No Disney = much less interest from me. Do you really think the average joe knows who Pixar is? Probably not. They go to see the new Disney movie "Finding Nemo". You've gotta put yourself in the average movie theater guest's mind here. Remember there are some people that STILL perfer Fullscreen over Widescreen DVD's. That right there tells you not everyone keeps up with the movie business.

And nobody markets like Disney so I believe Pixar needs Disney just as much as Disney needs Pixar.
 

xfkirsten

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It's true that no one markets like Disney, I'll give you that. However, I don't agree that not as many people will see a film if the Disney name isn't attatched. A film doesn't have to be Disney to make good money. There's plenty of other top-grossing films out there that are not Disney. And while not everyone knows who Pixar is, many, many people do now. And I'd bet that they could use the "from the makers of" tactic, so if anyone didn't know who they were, they could recognize the film titles.

For me, if a film looks good, I'll go see it whether or not Disney's name is on it.

-Kirsten
 

Shaman

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Like the article says, nothing has to be done today...if anything Jobs will make a deal only when Eisner's exit is in plain sight, which was his plan from the start no?

Surely, if the deal is not good for Disney I hope they DON'T make the deal....

I just hope that if the deal is renewed, Disney as a company will not rely too much on Pixar for hits...Disney has to make its own hits too...perhaps having Pixar will hinder them somehow? I hope not.

Oh, and is it possible Jobs has heard something about Eisner's replacement and that has caused the change of heart? What else would prompt such a change from a man like Steve Jobs?
 

DarkMeasures

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The problem with today is CGI films are really popular. However, every CGI film that is released successfully is a comedy. More serious films such as Dinosaur, and Final Fantasy flopped because of the different appeal. (I don't know about Dinosaur being serious because I have never seen it).

But due to Dinosaur flopping, Disney's CGI film studio was dismantled after Dinosaur was released. Now, since Disney could not pull off a successful CGI film (square is finally making their second film, a new Final Fantasy movie based on the 7th of the main series). Well since Pixar's CGI films are so successful, Disney needs them to make the money. But I am probably wrong because I don't know if Disney makes a prophit or not on distribution fees and merchandising and stuff.
 

Shaman

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DarkMeasures said:
The problem with today is CGI films are really popular. However, every CGI film that is released successfully is a comedy. More serious films such as Dinosaur, and Final Fantasy flopped because of the different appeal.
Finding Nemo and Monster's Inc. weren't all comedy...especially Finding Nemo, it had its very serious parts...but I think I understand what you mean...perhaps it has more to do with the marketing of the film as opposed to the film content itself. While Dinosaur and Final Fantasy were good movies...their stories weren't all that appealing to vast audiences...just some thoughts...
 

HauntedPirate

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Pixar seems to have found Disney's lost ability to tell a good story. The visuals are icing on the cake. But not according to Eisner. Oh no, it's the 3-D that makes the money, not the story.

Sorry, I was about to get up on a biiiig soapbox there. :zipit:
 

prberk

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General Grizz said:
Agreed. . . but I wish Jobs would be more forceful and public about the 'No Pixar until Eisner gets the boot.'

Good news in so many senses, but this would be a GRAND opportunity.

(Let's just say I'd like to see the Pixar guys running Disney versus the Eisner guys - after all, Pixar folk ARE the true Disney folk in oh too many senses ;) )!


All good points. I think that the Pixar guys (mostly former Disney guys anyway) would do a great job running Disney. They need to use this as leverage to have more creative control over the animation department, period. And if Eisner goes in the deal, all the better...
 

brisem

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careship said:
Well this is interesting.

The only thing that puzzles me is that Disney nor Pixar commented on this. Maybe there is more to this then it looks.

Usually no comments on both sides means that they're finalizing the agreement. They'll probably do a dual press release.
 

wdwmaniac

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Be nice to see both together, unless Disney bows down to PIXAR. I feel that both sides need eachother for now. Disney needs the CGI movies that have been hits (until Chicken Little which looks like it will do good at teh BO) and PIXAR needs Disney because they are the only company to be marketing kids movies. There is no other brand name out there but Disney that has Family written all over it. Warner? Fox? Sony? etc.... Not even Dreamworks is all kid/family friendly (eurotrip).
 

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