Pixar not hurrying in talks as profit triples

cherrynegra

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
UPDATE 3-Pixar not hurrying in talks as profit triples
May 06, 2004 7:54:00 PM ET

By Peter Henderson

LOS ANGELES, May 6 (Reuters) - Pixar Animation Studios Inc. (PIXR) on Thursday reported that its quarterly profit more than tripled on the overseas success of blockbuster "Finding Nemo."

Pixar Chief Executive Steve Jobs said it might be as long as a year before the company reached a distribution deal for its film due in the holiday period of 2006, after its current contract with Walt Disney Co. (DIS) runs out.

Some analysts saw that as an indication Disney might still be in the running, if Chief Executive Michael Eisner left the company, although Jobs said he had not made such a statement.

Pixar's first-quarter net income rose to $26.7 million, or 46 cents per share, from $8.2 million, or 15 cents per diluted share, in the prior-year quarter, the San Francisco Bay Area company and creator of "Toy Story" and "Monsters, Inc." said.

Revenue rose to $53.8 million million from $18.7 million.

Analysts on average had expected Pixar to post earnings of 39 cents per share, far ahead of Pixar's forecast of 30 cents.

Chief Financial Officer Ann Mather set a target for second-quarter earnings of about 30 cents per share, below average Wall Street expectations of 51 cents, according to Reuters Research, a unit of Reuters Group Plc.

Pixar's five films have made $2.6 billion at the box office so far, a string of hits that has astounded Hollywood and investors, and "Nemo" is the highest-grossing animated feature ever, with more than $860 million in global ticket sales.

But the sharp run-up in stock price has divided analysts on whether the shares have become too richly valued.

Pixar also said it expected to sell a whopping 40 million DVD and home video units of fish tale "Nemo" by the end of 2004. It had earlier forecast total sales of 35 million units.

Pixar said some revenue from "Nemo" in the past quarter had come at the expense of later quarters, but analysts dismissed that as largely irrelevant to its prospects.

"I don't think the timing of home videos matters much," said SG Cowen analyst Lowell Singer, who has an $80 price target on the stock, which fell 19 cents to $66.06 in regular trade on Nasdaq and dropped by as much as $1 after hours on INET .

NO HURRY ON NEW DEAL

Pixar's success has put it in a position to negotiate a very good deal for its future films, analysts said.

Disney has rejected its terms and Pixar broke off talks earlier this year, but analysts said that turmoil at Disney, where Eisner is under pressure from some shareholders to resign, may play a part in Pixar's plan.

"My expectation is that Pixar is likely to wait to see what happens with Disney and its management team and does not want to box itself into a corner," said Banc of America analyst Michael Savner, who has a sell rating on Pixar due to its valuation.

Jobs himself said that talks with Hollywood suitors were in an early stage and might not conclude until mid-2005.

Pixar earlier this year said it would pull out of a distribution deal with Disney after "Cars," the seventh film produced together, debuts in the holiday season of next year.

Sanders Morris Harris analyst David Miller said he saw News Corp Ltd. studio 20th Century Fox and Time Warner Inc's (TWX) Warner Bros. in a dead heat as the leading contenders to distribute Pixar films, followed by Sony Corp. unit Sony Pictures Entertainment.

Pixar's shares are up more than 10 percent in the last year but down about 5 percent in the last six months.

Pixar's next film, "The Incredibles," a comedy about a family of superheroes, debuts on Nov. 5. REUTERS
 

Shaman

Well-Known Member
With all the money coming in, you would think they would forget signing with another studio and distribute the films themselves...why don't they just create a distributing arm within Pixar, instead of sitting around and waiting for whatever it is they're waiting?...perhaps for the sky to fall.... :lookaroun

Stanley Gold keeps hinting that Steve Jobs is on a short list of Eisner replacements...so what would happen if he would become CEO...Would he merge Pixar with Disney Animation?...What would he do with Apple...merge that with Disney too?...lol...

There has to be someone better than Jobs to take the helm at WDC....Disney should just forget about Pixar....the competition will help creativity...or atleast one would hope...

:(
 

cloudboy

Well-Known Member
Stanley Gold keeps hinting that Steve Jobs is on a short list of Eisner replacements...so what would happen if he would become CEO...Would he merge Pixar with Disney Animation?...

I think that may be playing a part in why Pixar hasn't signed a deal with anyone else yet. I am sure other companies have been seeking out Pixar, but I think Pixar would prefer to be linked wih Disney. How involved does Disney get in the writing anyway? I think that they have some input, and I am worried that without it Pixar may not do so well.

I would bet that if Jobs got involved with Disney, he would merge Pixar in there and leave Apple. Already did once.

I would love to see someone else, but who?
 

garyhoov

Trophy Husband
At this point, I'm almost certain that Steve Jobs wants Eisner's job (while many of us were guessing that might be the case when Pixar talks broke off, it seemed far-fetched then, but not nearly so now), and I think there are only two things that will prevent that from happening:

1. Disney Board appoints someone else and soon.
2. Disney profits and stock value take dramatic turn to the upside.

If neither of those two things happen, it looks like Jobs will run against Eisner at the next Shareholder meeting (March 2005?) and likely win (particularly if he promises to bring Pixar with him).

Not sure what FTC regulations might come in to play. Anyone else know more about potential "conflict of interest" limitations?
 

cloudboy

Well-Known Member
I don't know if he can just "run" for Eisner's job. I think you need board approval to do that. Besides, Eisner is on a contract, so I don't think you can just vote him away.

I doubt there would be any antitrust there, since They Pixar is just a small operation and it's not like they will be cornering any market. I doubt they would want to merge Apple in there anyway, I doubt it would be a good fit for either company.

Maybe that is why Eisner wanted to send Pixar away - he was worried about Jobs getting too much control. At that level, I tend to think that most decissions are based more on ego and power than anything else.
 

DisneyFan 2000

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by cloudboy
Maybe that is why Eisner wanted to send Pixar away - he was worried about Jobs getting too much control.

Eisner wants it all! He is already known for micro-managing everything in sight! :rolleyes:


I know I'm counting the days 'till March 2005
 

cherrynegra

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I found this little tidbit courtesy of themeparkinsider.com

FINDING MOOLAH
Orlando Sentinel - May 7

Disney's weird delay in opening Pixar's Finding Nemo globally may come back to bite the company in the ______. The move allowed Pixar to triple profits in the first quarter, a time when profits should have been scarce. This has allowed Pixar to delay finalizing a distribution deal, a move which would have been necessary to keep the stock from slipping. Now Pixar is claiming it may not decide until next year, which leads analysts to believe this is yet another move in the get-rid-of-Eisner chess match between Jobs and the Disney board. Whatever happens, it seems Pixar has had preliminary talks with previous companies mentioned, but evidently Universal has been included. Yay!
 

garyhoov

Trophy Husband
Originally posted by cloudboy
I don't know if he can just "run" for Eisner's job. I think you need board approval to do that. Besides, Eisner is on a contract, so I don't think you can just vote him away.


I don't pretend to be any kind of expert, but I'm sure there are some around, so I'll tell you my understanding and then the experts can step in to clarify the details.

1. Contract - I assume Eisner's contract is like most contracts. He can be removed by either the board or proxy and the company will need to "buy out" the remainder of his contract. Considering the kind of money that could potentially be generated by better management and the relatively short remaining length of his contract that would be a small price to pay.

2. Proxy Access - Under typical circumstances, the board would nominate who will appear on proxies, however, I believe there are existing and proposed SEC regulations regarding Proxy Access for shareholder nominated candidates. I believe that sort of shareholder access require "triggering events" such as groups of shareholders (which Roy and Stan can easily muster) or high "no-confidence" votes (which they've already gotten).

In the event Roy and Stan can't meet the required standards for shareholder proxy access, I'm sure they can put pressure on existing board members and make it clear that if they don't help them get their guy on the ballot, they'll be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes.
 

cloudboy

Well-Known Member
I heard a lot of reports about how much his contract would cost to buy out - since I believe it is private I don't think anyone will know. I certainly can say that if he had any kind of idea of getting out of this with some dignity and respect afterwords he would voluntarilly leave. But I don't think that is in the cards.

I still think that a big trick to getting him out of there is to find someone who everyone will back as a new CEO. Get up enough of a following behind that person, and I bet the board would have to make at least some response.

So I guess the question goes out again - who can replace Eisner?

So far I have:

Steve Jobs
Steve Burke
Microsoft (God help us!)
 

garyhoov

Trophy Husband
Just to put a buy-out in perspective, think about this:

Four and a half years ago, Disney Stock was at about $44 dollars per share. It closed Friday at $22.45.

Now if I remember correctly from the Comcast deal, I think there were about 2 billion outstanding shares (somebody please correct me if I'm off on that). That means shareholders have lost roughly 40 billion dollars over the past four and a half years.

No matter what it will cost to buy Eisner out, it will be a few drops in that bucket.
 

General Grizz

New Member
I would take Jobs and Pixar under the Disney name ANY day versus Eisner.

After all, Lassetter used to work for Disney. This company has many "Disney" roots. And its attitude is MUCH more Disneyesque than the current WDC.

Wouldn't you rather have the creativity behind Nemo in order to freshen up 2-D animation? And that "go-for-it" originality hitting the theme parks?

And the best part. It's successful.

I hope you're right, Bill.
 

Shaman

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by General Grizz
I would take Jobs and Pixar under the Disney name ANY day versus Eisner.

After all, Lassetter used to work for Disney. This company has many "Disney" roots. And its attitude is MUCH more Disneyesque than the current WDC.

Wouldn't you rather have the creativity behind Nemo in order to freshen up 2-D animation? And that "go-for-it" originality hitting the theme parks?

And the best part. It's successful.

I don't know Grizz...whats the point of replacing Eisner with Jobs...if ten to twenty years down the line he'll turn INTO an Eisner...Jobs and Eisner aren't so different I think...maybe I'm wrong...

:(
 

General Grizz

New Member
Originally posted by objr
I don't know Grizz...whats the point of replacing Eisner with Jobs...if ten to twenty years down the line he'll turn INTO an Eisner...Jobs and Eisner aren't so different I think...maybe I'm wrong...

:(

Well, after ten years of Pixar years, I've only seen more and more success. It would be better to have folks like Mr. Lassetter, who, if in good relations with Steve Jobs, would be able to maintain the atmosphere.
 

Shaman

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by General Grizz
Well, after ten years of Pixar years, I've only seen more and more success. It would be better to have folks like Mr. Lassetter, who, if in good relations with Steve Jobs, would be able to maintain the atmosphere.

Jobs/Lassetter reminds me of Eisner/Wells...I just hope that the future is bright after Eisner...no matter who takes up the reins...
 

cloudboy

Well-Known Member
I don't think Jobs is a creative genius. Most of the creative success I would credit to Lasseter, but then again maybe he is the one actually in the running. I also don't see Jobs as very growth oriented, either. Apple has been terribly stagnant in the business world lately. The one chance they did have to actually become something, Jobs came back in and pretty well killed that. He just wanted the company to revolve around his own interests.

Better than Eisner? Perhaps. But not so much better I am particularly thrilled about the idea. What about Mel Karmazin from Viacom? I have heard mention of him, too, but I don't know much about him.

The reason I keep asking is that I don't think anythink is likely to happen unless the fans and guests can find a really good successor and then get behind that person. I think someone like Jobs has a few too many problems going for him for the investors to really buy into it. But I think the only way something is going to happen with the current board is if there is enough guest push for someone else.
 

wdwmaniac

Member
To asnwer a Question before-
It takes to much time and money to distrub. films. As seen by Disney's BVE. They get thearter, videos, retail contracts, etc. It's not worth PIXARS time ot make up one. Also it will cut into proft even more than worth while. And also the World Wide Market needs a big name to get your movie out that's why I think Pixar will go to Warner. We lost Lord of the Rings to them, and they already got Potter, Polar Express, and a few other properties. But I think Disney should mount a buyout of PIXAR and just get it over with.
 

Register on WDWMAGIC. This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.

Back
Top Bottom