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Disney Irish
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Everything ebbs and flows, this too is animation at Disney. If they see a market for it Disney will do another hand drawn 2D animation feature.I hate to be honest, but I kind of starting to give up hope for Disney doing more hand drawn animated features. I guess I feel like that, because Mark Henn left and I’ve heard Eric Goldberg might leave Disney soon. Sure, they used hand drawn animation for Once Upon A Studio and DIY Duck, but I still don’t know if Disney is going to do hand drawn animation again, even though The Boy and the Heron won an Oscar. Even Disney tried a hybrid animated film called Wish, but it flop, so I can safely presume they’re not doing that again. I think they’re too ashamed of their hand drawn legacy, so they prefer CGI. And I don’t know that the Animation Guild will force Disney more hand drawn films even if they made agreement to reach the deal. I’m not trying to be doom and gloom, I’m just being realistic. So I’m giving up hope for Disney hand drawn films, unless, if D23 announced that the Tiana series is pure hand drawn animated, I’ll get my hope back again, but until then, I don’t want to get my hopes up for hand drawn animation for Disney. I’m sorry.
The only question is when? But I’m afraid you had no answer for that. But thanks for trying to cheer me up.
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Farerb
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Realistically, no, they have no plans for a full length hand drawn feature. Mark Henn specifically said that he left because he felt the work wasn't meaningful and fulfilling anymore. He wouldn't have said that if the had had any plans to make a hand drawn feature in the future. Their last hand drawn film was released 13 years ago. Ever since they have only done short shorts (less than 3 minutes) and commercials and Maui's tattoos. The only short that was longer was Once Upon a Studio and they had to rely on animators who used to work at the studio, but they only hired them for this specific short and nothing else. Hand drawn animation is dead at Disney. It's time to accept that and move on.
John park hopper
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cost to much and Disney is all about cutting costs
LittleBuford
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I don’t think Disney can be accused of cutting costs when it comes to its animated films. On the contrary, we have dozens of posts here criticising Disney (together with Pixar) for its supposedly bloated production costs, which are far higher than those of other animation studios.
Disstevefan1
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IF Disney were to do hand drawn animation features, the only possible way would to farm the actual work out to Japan. It’s way too expensive to do it in the US.I hate to be honest, but I kind of starting to give up hope for Disney doing more hand drawn animated features. I guess I feel like that, because Mark Henn left and I’ve heard Eric Goldberg might leave Disney soon. Sure, they used hand drawn animation for Once Upon A Studio and DIY Duck, but I still don’t know if Disney is going to do hand drawn animation again, even though The Boy and the Heron won an Oscar. Even Disney tried a hybrid animated film called Wish, but it flop, so I can safely presume they’re not doing that again. I think they’re too ashamed of their hand drawn legacy, so they prefer CGI. And I don’t know that the Animation Guild will force Disney more hand drawn films even if they made agreement to reach the deal. I’m not trying to be doom and gloom, I’m just being realistic. So I’m giving up hope for Disney hand drawn films, unless, if D23 announced that the Tiana series is pure hand drawn animated, I’ll get my hope back again, but until then, I don’t want to get my hopes up for hand drawn animation for Disney. I’m sorry.
erasure fan1
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Just imagine what a hand drawn budget from Disney would end up being. Cost would be the biggest hurdle for Disney. There's no way they put the funding into re-establishing what they'd need to make it. I would have to believe that a hand drawn film from Disney would make these 200mil CG budgets look modest. Disney really has no reason to spend that money.
LittleBuford
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While I agree that reestablishing a hand-drawn animation division would cost Disney much more than they’d like to spend, I have no reason to believe that computer-animated films are necessarily cheaper to make. Just compare the budget of Princess and the Frog with that of Tangled.
Again, there is a lot we might criticise Disney for. Being stingy with their production budgets isn’t one of them.
Farerb
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Tangled's budget is unusual for even CGI films. It should not be taken as an example whatsoever.
LittleBuford
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OK, but the films after Tangled also cost more than Princess and the Frog, even taking inflation into account.
erasure fan1
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As far as I can tell, it isn't. But Disney decided to shutter had drawn. So now the institutional knowledge isn't there and would have to be regained. That's a big cost for a medium Disney all but abandoned. You can never say never but after Princess and the frog, it's fate seems pretty solid for the foreseeable future.
I don't think anyone really criticized Disney for being stingy on budgets. Rides or shows or films. The big critique of Disney budgets is the efficiency of how they use the budget. At least that's been my issue.
LittleBuford
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This I agree with. I thought you were making a different point.
I mean, @John park hopper did claim that "Disney is all about cutting costs", which is precisely why I waded in!
For those of you why I’m saying that? Here’s the proof from Mark Henn: https://www.cartoonbrew.com/studios...enn-work-had-been-more-meaningful-236985.html
“Well, it’s a cg world, and that’s a fact. That changed years ago. Home on the Range was supposed to be the last [2d film]. Thankfully, we got to do Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh after we had another management change. Since then, I think it’s just too difficult for the studio to justify essentially creating a second studio within this current studio in order to do 2d, which is what you had when we had Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh. We essentially had literally two smaller studios under one roof, and I just think that that became too much of a financial risk. Right now, we’re barely able to house everybody that we have on staff. So, I mean, there’s all kinds of logistical things from where you’re going to put people to taking that risk.“
While hand drawn animation is not dead to other studios, but hand drawn is dead to Disney. Disney will do CGI movies forever. I’m sorry.
“Well, it’s a cg world, and that’s a fact. That changed years ago. Home on the Range was supposed to be the last [2d film]. Thankfully, we got to do Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh after we had another management change. Since then, I think it’s just too difficult for the studio to justify essentially creating a second studio within this current studio in order to do 2d, which is what you had when we had Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh. We essentially had literally two smaller studios under one roof, and I just think that that became too much of a financial risk. Right now, we’re barely able to house everybody that we have on staff. So, I mean, there’s all kinds of logistical things from where you’re going to put people to taking that risk.“
While hand drawn animation is not dead to other studios, but hand drawn is dead to Disney. Disney will do CGI movies forever. I’m sorry.
I appreciate your suggestion that Disney might do that, but sadly, Disney is too ashamed of their hand drawn legacy. And I guess deep down, Bob Iger hates hand drawn animation. And I bet Jennifer Lee hates hand drawn animation too.
Excuse me while I mourn for the loss of hand drawn animation at Disney. Let’s have a moment of silence:
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I know all of us will be upset about it and we may easily blame it on Bob Iger and Jennifer Lee, but whatever you guys do, do not attack Bob Iger. We don’t have to agree with him, but at the end of day, he’s a business man, no matter what. Also, do not attack Jennifer Lee. Because I’ve heard she used to be bullied back when she was a kid. She does not deserved to be hated. John Lasseter, yes, but Jennifer Lee does not deserve the hate.
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Disney Irish
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For those of you why I’m saying that? Here’s the proof from Mark Henn: https://www.cartoonbrew.com/studios...enn-work-had-been-more-meaningful-236985.html
“Well, it’s a cg world, and that’s a fact. That changed years ago. Home on the Range was supposed to be the last [2d film]. Thankfully, we got to do Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh after we had another management change. Since then, I think it’s just too difficult for the studio to justify essentially creating a second studio within this current studio in order to do 2d, which is what you had when we had Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh. We essentially had literally two smaller studios under one roof, and I just think that that became too much of a financial risk. Right now, we’re barely able to house everybody that we have on staff. So, I mean, there’s all kinds of logistical things from where you’re going to put people to taking that risk.“
While hand drawn animation is not dead to other studios, but hand drawn is dead to Disney. Disney will do CGI movies forever. I’m sorry.
I appreciate your suggestion that Disney might do that, but sadly, Disney is too ashamed of their hand drawn legacy. And I guess deep down, Bob Iger hates hand drawn animation. And I bet Jennifer Lee hates hand drawn animation too.
Excuse me while I mourn for the loss of hand drawn animation at Disney. Let’s have a moment of silence:
Disney is not "ashamed of their hand drawn legacy", I'm not sure what gives you that idea. Disney is a business and if they see that a certain form of animation is not giving the return they would they like they won't use that form of animation. If they see a market for it they will produce another hand drawn 2d animation feature. Until then just enjoy the animated features that Disney produces.
Well, I still don't want to get my hopes up, but I'll do my best. By the way, I think I got that idea from DVDizzy.com
MoonRakerSCM
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The industry itself is gone. The infrastructure, knowledge, and ability (both individual and corporate) are gone.
John park hopper
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Silent films were replaced by talkies--hand drawn replaced by computers --time marches on for better or worse
Even though I'll missed Disney doing hand drawn animation, but I can assure you that I don't hate CGI films. In fact, I'm impressed that CGI is starting to get a bit more artful as hand drawn animation like Spiderverse, The Bad Guys, Puss In Boots The Last Wish, Wish (Even though it's not a perfect movie, but I thought the animation style looks really charming.), and the upcoming The Wild Robot. It's too bad Disney might not do another 2D/3D Hybrid animated film again since Wish unfairly flopped.