Monorails, buses, boats and chaos

mousehockey37

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I'm willing to bet what I'm going to talk about has been a topic of debate on here before many times, I just can't seem to find the threads for it, so here it goes.

Last week when my DGF and I were at WDW, the biggest headaches that we encountered were with transportation with the parks at closing. We left the some of the parks at regular closing (no EMH) and after EMH as well, but the same problems were still there: The transportation was NOT consistent.

Yes, the buses are constantly pulling in and out, and the monorails do stop running at a certain time, but it just made things chaotic with tons of tired, cranky and sometimes soaked people trying to get back to the TTC or their resorts.

Doesn't it make sense to keep the monorails running if the parks on the monorail line are having EMH's?

Last Tuesday Epcot had the evening EMH and we went out in the rain with small crowds. It was nice to stroll around but when the EMH were winding down, we go out to find no monorail running, and scrambling to find a bus to get to the TTC to catch the SOG bus back to the resort. Now staying at SOG, they run the last bus an hour past the last park closing. We just made that last bus back there so it wasn't an issue, but it wasn't fun.

Likewise, Thursday night we went to Epcot, saw Illuminations and when we were headed out (no EMH) there was no bus back to the TTC!!! Everyone had to cram on the monorail!!! The line for monorail wrapped down to the ground all the way from the 2nd floor of the station!!!!

Then on Friday night, we stayed for EMH at the MK and that was even crazier. Since the monorail lines were shut down for the night, it was either get on the bus or take the ferry to the TTC, and I don't believe there was a bus to the TTC from the MK (I could be wrong, but I wasn't missing my SOG bus to find out).

I just find that with the amount of people that are there and the dangers that lie to the sides of the walkways (snakes, gators, etc) that Disney doesn't have all methods of transport open longer. I don't think it would be an inconvenience to leave the monorails running if the parks having EMH's are on the monorail lines, it would actually help alleviate the congestion on the buses. Also, it would give those that have phobias of boats another option for getting to the TTC, unlike last Friday night where that was pretty much the only way back to catch your other buses/get to your car, etc.

I just know that after a long day of being in the sun, rain and just being drained, it was the last thing that I wanted to deal with when I got to the bus board, saw there was NO bus and had to run for the monorail or vice versa.

Other than this little inconvenience, I didn't see many problems with transportation. The Disney buses were plentiful and the waits weren't that considerably long.

The only other thing would be that Disney bus drivers ENFORCE the rules of strollers being broken down before entering the bus. We had an instance where a family had a double wide stroller with one kid in it, and the other seat being used for storage. The parents argued with the driver and the driver gave in and let them put the stroller on the bus with it NOT being folded. This was leaving EMH from Epcot to the TTC, and the bus wasn't exactly empty. You could see the husband and driver having words but unfortunately the driver didn't stick to this guns and follow the rules. This held us up there and added to us almost missing OUR last bus at the TTC back to SOG.
 

Goofyernmost

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That driver could have easily gotten fired for not going by the rules. These are not just Disney rules but ones that are used universally because of safety hazards involved with wheeled vehicles free standing in pathways
as well as a blocking factor if evacuation is needed. I could easily forgive a driver for holding up a bus arguing with a stupid guest, but would not feel that warm and fuzzy if he/she were to give in to unreasonable, unsafe demands.:mad:
 

mousehockey37

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Original Poster
That driver could have easily gotten fired for not going by the rules. These are not just Disney rules but ones that are used universally because of safety hazards involved with wheeled vehicles free standing in pathways
as well as a blocking factor if evacuation is needed. I could easily forgive a driver for holding up a bus arguing with a stupid guest, but would not feel that warm and fuzzy if he/she were to give in to unreasonable, unsafe demands.:mad:

The best part is on the window of the bus by the front door, there is a big sign that says about how all strollers MUST be broken down in order to board the bus.
 

Rasvar

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SoG is a slightly different animal since SoG buses are not operated by Disney. It sounds like they only run the Epcot bus when the monorail is not operating. Since the SoG bus is not a Disney bus, it also can't get to the MK lot. But the problem is more with SoG. I've never seen Disney strand a resort guest of their own. They don't have the hard last bus as there are usually options for the last stragglers. I have even caught one of these special runs after the last official bus of the night that will go to multiple Disney resorts. SoG buses seem to run more like the external buses that have specific times in that if you miss the last bus, you missed the last bus. There is no tie in with Disney Transport and SoG so you almost need to plan extra time when connecting with the last SoG bus just to make sure you get it. SoG kind of gets the short end in this at times because Disney's operation, for the most part, is not going to take it into account.
 

Marco226

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Yeah, my hubby and I experienced this kind of chaos last month when we were trying to leave MK. The ferry lines were over-crowded, the monorail lines were out to the security checkpoint, and hundreds of people were running to the Contemporary to get on the monorail there. We've never seen the MK exit crowd like this before, and we learned our lesson. When we went back to WDW the following week, we just decided to stay back in MK, sit down, talk, walk through the stores, eat food, and enjoy the summer breeze. If we're not able to leave because of the long lines back to the TTC, then we might as well enjoy our time waiting in the park instead of rushing through the trampling hordes of brazili-.. I mean tourists.. :oops:
 

Nero the dog

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I don't see how renting a car would have improved the Op's experience. He would have still had to get to the TTC from MK.
I'm currently in WDW and over the past 10 days have not had any problems getting back to my resort at park closing using the Disney buses.
 

mouse_luv

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Not to mention having to pay to park at the Parks/TTC. SOG guests don't get the same privilege when it comes to parking as the Disney Resort guests do. We are on property, but not good enough to get free parking lol! So, rental car wouldn't have even worked. The biggest problem with the buses was that the SOG bus only ran like an hour or so after park close. Sometimes it took a whole hour to get out of the park and fight the crowds to get disney transport of some type back to the ttc to get the SOG bus before you were stranded for the night. This is was OP was talking about.
 

Goofyernmost

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Not to mention having to pay to park at the Parks/TTC. SOG guests don't get the same privilege when it comes to parking as the Disney Resort guests do. We are on property, but not good enough to get free parking lol! So, rental car wouldn't have even worked. The biggest problem with the buses was that the SOG bus only ran like an hour or so after park close. Sometimes it took a whole hour to get out of the park and fight the crowds to get disney transport of some type back to the ttc to get the SOG bus before you were stranded for the night. This is was OP was talking about.

Of course it's personal priority, but almost all my trips have been off-site. The time(s) that I stayed on-site I still used the car and, for me, when I stayed off-site the $14.00 is always worth it. I don't go on vacation to try and figure out what time I need to be someplace to catch a bus or wait in long lines to do so. Heck, I drink away that much in water and Mickey Bars anyway on a trip, whats another $14.00. If I am willing to pay $8.00 or more for a hamburger, I have no problem with the parking fee.:cool:
 

mouse_luv

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Of course it's personal priority, but almost all my trips have been off-site. The time(s) that I stayed on-site I still used the car and, for me, when I stayed off-site the $14.00 is always worth it. I don't go on vacation to try and figure out what time I need to be someplace to catch a bus or wait in long lines to do so. Heck, I drink away that much in water and Mickey Bars anyway on a trip, whats another $14.00. If I am willing to pay $8.00 or more for a hamburger, I have no problem with the parking fee.:cool:

I understand your point, but some people are on a budget to the point where the additional 14 bucks a day to park, on top of the rental car, airfare, and everything else just becomes too much. Half the time some of us don't even eat in the parks as to not spend 8 bucks a hamburger.
 

Nero the dog

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Of course it's personal priority, but almost all my trips have been off-site. The time(s) that I stayed on-site I still used the car and, for me, when I stayed off-site the $14.00 is always worth it. I don't go on vacation to try and figure out what time I need to be someplace to catch a bus or wait in long lines to do so. Heck, I drink away that much in water and Mickey Bars anyway on a trip, whats another $14.00. If I am willing to pay $8.00 or more for a hamburger, I have no problem with the parking fee.:cool:



I have stayed off site and on. The only reason we rent a car now is so that we can get off site easily for cheaper restaurants, visit other parks and shop. Whenever we go to the parks I find it just as easy ( and quick) to get the buses.
Any time you save driving to the parking lot is lost by the time you wait for your tram to take you up to the gates, even more so at MK where you will have only reached the TTC at that point.
 

Goofyernmost

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I understand your point, but some people are on a budget to the point where the additional 14 bucks a day to park, on top of the rental car, airfare, and everything else just becomes too much. Half the time some of us don't even eat in the parks as to not spend 8 bucks a hamburger.

Which is exactly why I don't stay on-site. The money I save in hotels and meals off-site way more than makes up for the car rental and the parking fee. It's all in what your priorities are. I don't want to spend buckets of money for the atmosphere especially when most of the time I'm sleeping through it. When I return to the "lands" in the morning, the magic and atmosphere return. I'm not putting anyone down for doing the whole Disney 24/7 thing, it's just not my thing.
 

mouse_luv

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Which is exactly why I don't stay on-site. The money I save in hotels and meals off-site way more than makes up for the car rental and the parking fee. It's all in what your priorities are. I don't want to spend buckets of money for the atmosphere especially when most of the time I'm sleeping through it. When I return to the "lands" in the morning, the magic and atmosphere return. I'm not putting anyone down for doing the whole Disney 24/7 thing, it's just not my thing.

Which is why some military and ex military choose to stay at SOG. It's like anywhere from 86 bucks a night some promotions like last week, and you are staying on site in a deluxe style resort. That's the point. Saving money. Staying in a hotel thats the same quality as what others are spending 300 plus a night for, except not. I'd rather stay there then offsite.
 

mousehockey37

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Original Poster
I guess I have never experienced any trouble w/ Disney transportation, so I can't complain!:)

I wouldn't say it was necessarily trouble. I was pointing out, as a fresher set of eyes, that there seems to be room for Disney to improve with the handling of their closing crowds and getting everyone to their cars, resorts, etc in a better manner than what is currently in place.

As I've said earlier, I don't think people would argue if Epcot has EMH and they keep the monorails going along with the buses to facilitate getting everyone back to the TTC/resort lines or if the MK has EMH, keep the TTC/resort lines open but they could then shut down the line that goes out to Epcot.

This is all just observation.
 

Blueskyze

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Two Words:
Rental Car

You just listed a million reason why 150 bucks for a weeks worth of car rental is worth EVERY PENNY.

Exactly! We always rent a car, but last week, we ran into the worst chaos we have seen when leaving the MK after Wishes. The park closed at 9:00 (no EMH), which meant that everyone was leaving at the same time. Everyone was also being directed to the ferry, and they had ropes and a whole queue line set up to get down to it. Next time, I will definitely hang out in the park and do some shopping or something! I think it took us about 30 minutes, and I felt really bad for the people trying to navigate strollers through that mess.
 

Master Yoda

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I wouldn't say it was necessarily trouble. I was pointing out, as a fresher set of eyes, that there seems to be room for Disney to improve with the handling of their closing crowds and getting everyone to their cars, resorts, etc in a better manner than what is currently in place.

As I've said earlier, I don't think people would argue if Epcot has EMH and they keep the monorails going along with the buses to facilitate getting everyone back to the TTC/resort lines or if the MK has EMH, keep the TTC/resort lines open but they could then shut down the line that goes out to Epcot.

This is all just observation.
I am not sure if you read @Rasvar 's post but the problems you had really centered around Shades of Green bus system and what you have to do to keep up with it. As Rasvar pointed out the Shades of Green bus system runs more like an off property hotel than a Disney resort. You are always going to run into large crowds right after closing, had you been staying at a Disney resort you would have simply gotten on a bus or a boat and headed straight to your resort. You would not have had to get to the TTC to get on another bus back to your resort. Disney's bus system also runs well after park closing and they do look for stranglers and get them where they need to go. Shades of Green has has a last run at a particular time and then shuts down.

The official reason for not running the monorails for EMH had to do with maintenance. When you had a 2:00-3:00 AM park closing the trains were not getting back to the station until 4:00-5:00 AM only to have to be back on the track an hour or two later and that simply was not enough time to keep the trains in good working order. While I do not have official numbers, the reduction in the number of "the monorail is broken" threads appears to have gone down considerably since this change.

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/monorails-buses-boats-and-chaos.846381/#post-5101679
 

Susan Savia

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Which is exactly why I don't stay on-site. The money I save in hotels and meals off-site way more than makes up for the car rental and the parking fee. It's all in what your priorities are. I don't want to spend buckets of money for the atmosphere especially when most of the time I'm sleeping through it. When I return to the "lands" in the morning, the magic and atmosphere return. I'm not putting anyone down for doing the whole Disney 24/7 thing, it's just not my thing.
Exactly!!! We drive and have APs so there is no parking fee.
 

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