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Lightning Lane Premier Pass

Chi84

Chi84

Premium Member
Disstevefan1 said:
The idea of "selling out" of LLPPs is a really good spin for Disney to put out there in my opinion.

In my mind it creates artificial demand.
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Or maybe they're selling out because Disney set a limit to avoid too much negative impact on multi and single pass sales. That's what I'm interested in.

I'm not buying the artificial demand any more than I bought the silliness of empty parks and restaurants, which seems to have died down. WDW is an extremely popular vacation destination and it doesn't have enough capacity (thanks to management decisions) to accommodate everyone who wants to attend.
 
Vegas Disney Fan

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
Chi84 said:
We are planning a trip in either spring or fall of 2027 for a group of 10 and we may do the multi or single passes but definitely not the Premier Pass.
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We found good value in the MPLL, for the occasional visitor I think it makes sense to spend a bit more to maximize your time. We paid for a couple ILLs out of necessity but felt completely ripped off, when you get off a 2 minute long Tron ride and start thinking of the $30 extra you just paid to skip that one line it feels like you got screwed, and I say that despite loving the ride.

If the ILL rides were included in MPLL I think we’d find great value in it, it would basically be a $30 FP+ (which we loved), but they don’t have the capacity to pull that off so instead the formerly free FP has turned into $60 extra per person per day, which is insane on top of a $200 ticket.

None of the LL schemes makes sense to us for a frequent visitor though, which is why we are no longer APs, paying $1500 for an AP and then having to pay extra every time you visit just to enjoy the rides is insane.
 
Chi84

Chi84

Premium Member
Vegas Disney Fan said:
We found good value in the MPLL, for the occasional visitor I think it makes sense to spend a bit more to maximize your time. We paid for a couple ILLs out of necessity but felt completely ripped off, when you get off a 2 minute long Tron ride and start thinking of the $30 extra you just paid to skip that one line it feels like you got screwed, and I say that despite loving the ride.

If the ILL rides were included in MPLL I think we’d find great value in it, it would basically be a $30 FP+ (which we loved), but they don’t have the capacity to pull that off so instead the formerly free FP has turned into $60 extra per person per day, which is insane on top of a $200 ticket.

None of the LL schemes makes sense to us for a frequent visitor though, which is why we are no longer APs, paying $1500 for an AP and then having to pay extra every time you visit just to enjoy the rides is insane.
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Right. This site has a lot of frequent visitors, which really skews the value of the paid line-skip systems.

If you've already been to an attraction several times or can visit more often than the average guest, paying makes no sense.

For our circumstances, including the fact that we use DVC points, the multi and single passes can make sense for certain parks on certain days. But if sales of Premier Pass get so high that they encroach too much on the LLs for the others using them, it would take the value away.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Vegas Disney Fan said:
We found good value in the MPLL, for the occasional visitor I think it makes sense to spend a bit more to maximize your time. We paid for a couple ILLs out of necessity but felt completely ripped off, when you get off a 2 minute long Tron ride and start thinking of the $30 extra you just paid to skip that one line it feels like you got screwed, and I say that despite loving the ride.

If the ILL rides were included in MPLL I think we’d find great value in it, it would basically be a $30 FP+ (which we loved), but they don’t have the capacity to pull that off so instead the formerly free FP has turned into $60 extra per person per day, which is insane on top of a $200 ticket.

None of the LL schemes makes sense to us for a frequent visitor though, which is why we are no longer APs, paying $1500 for an AP and then having to pay extra every time you visit just to enjoy the rides is insane.
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The ole incredipass was I believe $1,783 last year…ballpark 😎

They won’t include the “headliners” in the pauper pass…because then they can’t spin all the off shoot passes…not to mention the “exclusive ticketed experiency experiences” that they charge $200 for “exclusive access”

What a world, huh?! You pay that much to go in a shorter regular line for the 15 year old mine train

I have a lot of complaints…but Disney not selling enough product (other than pricing out a lot of people totally) ain’t one of them.
 
MickeyLuv'r

MickeyLuv'r

Well-Known Member
Chi84 said:
From what I've been reading, we have no idea of how many of these they're selling.

I doubt they are selling enough to significantly cut into availability for those buying the multi-pass.

We are planning a trip in either spring or fall of 2027 for a group of 10 and we may do the multi or single passes but definitely not the Premier Pass.

I would love to know to what extent these sellouts in PP affect multi availability and LL lines in general but it's difficult to get that info on this site without reading through the plethora of nonsense posted by two or three people.

Maybe the TOS should prohibit "posting just to hear oneself talk." ;)
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I wonder if it isn't partly other way around. I wonder if WDW also stops offering LLPP once they sell a certain amount of LLMP's.
They could easily toggle both LLMP or LLPP sales on any given day if demand suggests toggling LLPP down is a better strategy.

Or the weather will be stormy.

If WDW was not able to offer LLMP to onsite guests, their customers would not be happy. Similarly, I would think they want to be able to offer LLMP to offsite guests at the 3-day mark. (It is reasonable if passes sell out at the 1-day mark.)

Then again, WDW also always has the ability to add more park hours. Once upon a time, that's what they did when it looked like the parks were going to be busy, esp MK and AK.

I've been to WDW over many holiday weeks. Pre-pandemic, they often added park hours at 2 weeks out, sometimes less. It was quite common for WDW to add (last minute) EMH over holiday weeks.

Right now, ride capacity is also bit choked: BTMRR, RoRC, Buzz, Dinoland, resort rehabs, etc. Hopefully, that will improve before your spring/fall 2027 visit.

(I would like to see WDW revert back to having more EMH hours during holiday weeks that are available to all onsite guests. Over major weeks like Easter, MK had morning EMH every day for a full hour, plus sometimes bonus PM EMH. MK would often be open from 7:30am until midnight, and often later.

To address your other question: I've seen some wild swings in attraction availability. Slow days don't always translate into more LLMP availability. It is almost the opposite. On what were a very slow days at Epcot, where most attractions were walk-on, obtaining additional LLMP bookings (beyond pre-books) was limited: none for TT, Rat, or FEA. Even getting LLMP for the walk-on rides is often limited considering the waits are 5min or less.

(If at 11am, Nemo s walk-on, there is usually no reason/benefit to book a 3pm LL, esp if I am already near the Living Seas.)

Where LLMP has added value though is with park hopping. With park hopping, LLMP offers a MUCH higher value over anyone who spends all day in 1 park.

Neither LLMP or LLPP allows re-rides.

But with LLMP, you can book ANY LL that is available in ANY of the other 3 parks. Park hopping doubles the value of LLMP.

Always too, the actual value of either comes for what your group is actually in the parks to do. If anyone doesn't feel up to park touring, or rides are down, then LLMP/LLPP can be a total waste. Both products are a gamble.
 
wdwmagic

wdwmagic

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Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
MickeyLuv'r said:
I wonder if it isn't partly other way around. I wonder if WDW also stops offering LLPP once they sell a certain amount of LLMP's.
They could easily toggle both LLMP or LLPP sales on any given day if demand suggests toggling LLPP down is a better strategy.

Or the weather will be stormy.

If WDW was not able to offer LLMP to onsite guests, their customers would not be happy. Similarly, I would think they want to be able to offer LLMP to offsite guests at the 3-day mark. (It is reasonable if passes sell out at the 1-day mark.)

Then again, WDW also always has the ability to add more park hours. Once upon a time, that's what they did when it looked like the parks were going to be busy, esp MK and AK.

I've been to WDW over many holiday weeks. Pre-pandemic, they often added park hours at 2 weeks out, sometimes less. It was quite common for WDW to add (last minute) EMH over holiday weeks.

Right now, ride capacity is also bit choked: BTMRR, RoRC, Buzz, Dinoland, resort rehabs, etc. Hopefully, that will improve before your spring/fall 2027 visit.

(I would like to see WDW revert back to having more EMH hours during holiday weeks that are available to all onsite guests. Over major weeks like Easter, MK had morning EMH every day for a full hour, plus sometimes bonus PM EMH. MK would often be open from 7:30am until midnight, and often later.

To address your other question: I've seen some wild swings in attraction availability. Slow days don't always translate into more LLMP availability. It is almost the opposite. On what were a very slow days at Epcot, where most attractions were walk-on, obtaining additional LLMP bookings (beyond pre-books) was limited: none for TT, Rat, or FEA. Even getting LLMP for the walk-on rides is often limited considering the waits are 5min or less.

(If at 11am, Nemo s walk-on, there is usually no reason/benefit to book a 3pm LL, esp if I am already near the Living Seas.)

Where LLMP has added value though is with park hopping. With park hopping, LLMP offers a MUCH higher value over anyone who spends all day in 1 park.

Neither LLMP or LLPP allows re-rides.

But with LLMP, you can book ANY LL that is available in ANY of the other 3 parks. Park hopping doubles the value of LLMP.

Always too, the actual value of either comes for what your group is actually in the parks to do. If anyone doesn't feel up to park touring, or rides are down, then LLMP/LLPP can be a total waste. Both products are a gamble.
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I’m sure it’s “dynamic”…which means open to manipulation. At some point the tea will be spilled and we’ll get a sense of how they operate or…it’s still somewhat “new” by their standards
 
nickys

nickys

Premium Member
Chi84 said:
From what I've been reading, we have no idea of how many of these they're selling.

I doubt they are selling enough to significantly cut into availability for those buying the multi-pass.

We are planning a trip in either spring or fall of 2027 for a group of 10 and we may do the multi or single passes but definitely not the Premier Pass.

I would love to know to what extent these sellouts in PP affect multi availability and LL lines in general but it's difficult to get that info on this site without reading through the plethora of nonsense posted by two or three people.

Maybe the TOS should prohibit "posting just to hear oneself talk." ;)
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One way would be to find the dates that it has sold out in the past and look at ThrillData or Touring Plans to see when LLs sold out, compared to other days around the same time.

The problem is that these days tend to be during holiday times, so they’re busier than normal anyway.
 
DisneyDad55

DisneyDad55

New Member
Sirwalterraleigh said:
…that’s how they get ya

Honestly? Ya don’t need it.
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We are pretty spoiled Disneylanders who aren’t going to rope drop while on vacation.

The lines at WDW are ludicrously line, IMO, for what you are getting. We also like that with PP we aren’t zig zagging all over the park or stressing about the app and return times.

With that said, I won’t be sad if it is sold out and I save $1800.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
DisneyDad55 said:
We are pretty spoiled Disneylanders who aren’t going to rope drop while on vacation.

The lines at WDW are ludicrously line, IMO, for what you are getting. We also like that with PP we aren’t zig zagging all over the park or stressing about the app and return times.

With that said, I won’t be sad if it is sold out and I save $1800.
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No…they’re really not. The ugly secret is the crowds haven’t really returned since the shutdown

A combination of stagnation, declining quality and egregious changes to the price dynamics.

When are you gonna be there?
 
Chi84

Chi84

Premium Member
DisneyDad55 said:
We are pretty spoiled Disneylanders who aren’t going to rope drop while on vacation.

The lines at WDW are ludicrously line, IMO, for what you are getting. We also like that with PP we aren’t zig zagging all over the park or stressing about the app and return times.

With that said, I won’t be sad if it is sold out and I save $1800.
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The 22nd is spring break, isn’t it?

If you don’t get the PP would you get the multi- and single passes instead?

It really comes down to how much of your day you’re willing to spend in line. The Premier Pass is too expensive for my group but it depends on your circumstances.
 
DisneyDad55

DisneyDad55

New Member
Chi84 said:
The 22nd is spring break, isn’t it?

If you don’t get the PP would you get the multi- and single passes instead?

It really comes down to how much of your day you’re willing to spend in line. The Premier Pass is too expensive for my group but it depends on your circumstances.
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Correct, we normally buy the MP every day and the ILL for people who want to go on those rides.
 

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