I would live to see that place be built, Hopefully they would learn from the mistakes they made wirh Epcot in the late 90's 
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Is Westcot still a possibility?
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wdwfan4ver
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I heard of the concept, but I don't think it is a possible for Disneyland. There is at least 4 problems on why it isn't possible.
The first problem was space on why Westcot was replaced for with DCA for being the 2nd Disneyland theme park. DCA is smaller than Westcot. DCA is matter of fact 2 times smaller than WestCot. While there has been rumors of a 3rd park mentioned by miceage a couple years ago, but I don't think Disney has the space to Westcot right now unless they plan on buying a lot of land. Westcot was supposed to half the size of Epcot. That means Westcot is 150 acres since Epcot is 300 acres.
The 2nd problem is cost. Back in the 1990's the estimated cost of Westcot was around 2 to 3 billion dollars, the cost would be way higher today. The estimated cost was anywhere from 1991 to the time in was canceled in 1995 and think what the cost would be today. Cost was the reason DCA was built since DCA at the time it open only cost Disney 650 million compared to around 3 billion dollars. Even with the additions to DCA since the doesn't add up to the find Westcost would have cost Disney to Build in the 1990's.
The 3rd problem is Disney for the Worldshowcase part of Westcot is Disney would need to ask a lot countries. I am mentioning this because Disney doesn't have good relationship with the countries World showcase anymore like Norway. While the Westcot version of World Showcase is countries would have been grouped by regions rather than individual nations, Disney would need the okay from countries to do what they are planning.
The 4th problem for Westcot is some of the stuff doing improved clones of attractions that in are in Epcot wouldn't make any sense now. Soarin' can't be done in a land pavilion for Westcot now since DCA has the attraction. Having a Test track attraction in Westcot doesn't make sense since Radiator Springs is similar to Test Track.
The first problem was space on why Westcot was replaced for with DCA for being the 2nd Disneyland theme park. DCA is smaller than Westcot. DCA is matter of fact 2 times smaller than WestCot. While there has been rumors of a 3rd park mentioned by miceage a couple years ago, but I don't think Disney has the space to Westcot right now unless they plan on buying a lot of land. Westcot was supposed to half the size of Epcot. That means Westcot is 150 acres since Epcot is 300 acres.
The 2nd problem is cost. Back in the 1990's the estimated cost of Westcot was around 2 to 3 billion dollars, the cost would be way higher today. The estimated cost was anywhere from 1991 to the time in was canceled in 1995 and think what the cost would be today. Cost was the reason DCA was built since DCA at the time it open only cost Disney 650 million compared to around 3 billion dollars. Even with the additions to DCA since the doesn't add up to the find Westcost would have cost Disney to Build in the 1990's.
The 3rd problem is Disney for the Worldshowcase part of Westcot is Disney would need to ask a lot countries. I am mentioning this because Disney doesn't have good relationship with the countries World showcase anymore like Norway. While the Westcot version of World Showcase is countries would have been grouped by regions rather than individual nations, Disney would need the okay from countries to do what they are planning.
The 4th problem for Westcot is some of the stuff doing improved clones of attractions that in are in Epcot wouldn't make any sense now. Soarin' can't be done in a land pavilion for Westcot now since DCA has the attraction. Having a Test track attraction in Westcot doesn't make sense since Radiator Springs is similar to Test Track.
ChrisFL
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wdwfan4ver
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The only spot possible for something like Westcot is at Shanghai Disneyland. I remembered in 2012 or 2011 from one of the reliable people for information in the forums mentioning Disney has plans of doing 3 theme parks in Shanghai Disneyland down the road and one them mentioned was a Park similar to Epcot. I can't remember if it was Lee, WDW1974, or Martin that mentioned it.
The thing is Shanghai Disneyland isn't opened yet, and nobody knows when the future theme parks of Shanghai Disneyland will happen outside of the first theme park opening and what the other 2 theme parks based on could change since it could be 2 to 4 decades for 2 more theme parks for Shanghai Disneyland. It is very likely the first Shanghai Disneyland theme park will need expansions before doing other more Shanghai Disneyland Parks.
I don't think it is likely that a 3rd theme park for Disneyland Paris would be something like Epcot either besides the question of would Disney consider a 3rd park for Disneyland Paris because of the money problems Disneyland has for most of its lifetime and Disney is trying fix the problem. Right now Disney Studios Park is the lowest attended Disney theme park matter of fact right now and Disney is Ratatouille Kitchen Calamity attraction for helping attendance that theme park.
The thing is Shanghai Disneyland isn't opened yet, and nobody knows when the future theme parks of Shanghai Disneyland will happen outside of the first theme park opening and what the other 2 theme parks based on could change since it could be 2 to 4 decades for 2 more theme parks for Shanghai Disneyland. It is very likely the first Shanghai Disneyland theme park will need expansions before doing other more Shanghai Disneyland Parks.
I don't think it is likely that a 3rd theme park for Disneyland Paris would be something like Epcot either besides the question of would Disney consider a 3rd park for Disneyland Paris because of the money problems Disneyland has for most of its lifetime and Disney is trying fix the problem. Right now Disney Studios Park is the lowest attended Disney theme park matter of fact right now and Disney is Ratatouille Kitchen Calamity attraction for helping attendance that theme park.
ajrwdwgirl
Premium Member
I hope not, I love that the layout of Epcot is fairly unique and I don't want to see it cloned. It seems like WDW gets a lot of clones of attractions it is nice to have one some things that are our own.
BoarderPhreak
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They can't even keep (the existing) Epcot fresh!
wdwfan4ver
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You have to look at how much of it is due to Burbank and how much of that is due to TDO. The fact is a majority of Epcot not being fresh is on TDO, not Burbank.
I mention TDO because they got a bad reputation of being cheap when it to spending on park attractions and Burbank doesn't fore them to build like how TDO handled the Monsters Inc. Door Coaster for DHS proved. TDO to my understanding had a part to why the ending of Spaceship Earth is the way it is currently also.
Burbank's part of Epcot not being fresh is how innoventions was handled. It was a flawed idea that had businesses showing their latest technology and it was up to the companies to update their display. I am saying that because Innoventions in 1997 had a display for the internet and Sega had a display for their game systems as examples of the business model of Innoventions Eisner had for it. Burbank also is at fault for not keeping an eye on TDO sooner.
wdwfan4ver
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If Disneyland has a 3rd theme park and it is an Epcot clone, keeping it fresh wouldn't be a problem compare to Epcot in WDW.
The Management of Disneyland can't afford to be cheap based on the locals responded during the Paul Pressler / Cynthia Harris Era. That means updating their version of Epcot wouldn't be a problem, but Disneyland just doesn't have space to do a 3rd theme park that is 150 acres.
GiveMeTheMusic
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Westcot is dead forever.
Californian Elitist
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Ain't gonna happen. Not in Anaheim, at least.
Cosmic Commando
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There is that whole chunk of Angel Stadium land potentially up for grabs, but the problem is that I don't think anyone in power likes Epcot. Why would they clone it? Nobody really seems to know what to do with it; they have kinda lucked into it being a massive Mecca for food and booze and Disney seems content with that.
GiveMeTheMusic
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It stems from a phenomenal lack of vision from the top down. Would have loved it if Steve Jobs could have sunk his teeth into Epcot - could you imagine? Epcot requires a visionary to guide it, and there are no visionaries at Disney, except maybe Steve Davison. He's the only one in WDI who continually innovates from project to project. Other than that? Nobody. Lasseter is not a visionary, sorry. He's good with his own IP and helpful for WDAS, and that's it.
Epcot COULD be one of the greatest places on earth. The combination of no vision and a society of utter morons killed it sometime ago.