...Disney filling in Rivers of America and destroying Tom Sawyer Island?
(I just want to see if there is a difference between coasts)
(I just want to see if there is a difference between coasts)
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Disstevefan1
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PiratesMansion
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We had a whole thread about it:
PiratesMansion
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Are they not already tied together by being in the same land and both being, at least in part, meditations on death?
Phroobar
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So is the Disney Corporation as we watch the life get sucked out of it by Iger and friends.
SuddenStorm
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Nah, some things are so fundamentally a part of Disneyland if they were removed the place wouldn't be "Disneyland" anymore.
The castle and TSI/ROA are at the top of that list.
I was thinking more along the lines of if they replaced it with another river I wouldn’t necessarily be against it. Saying that I don’t have much confidence in them anymore to build anything worthwhile.
PiratesMansion
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Let's be real, they wouldn't do that. They've already shortened the river. Either they keep what we have now, or it's gone with nothing but a little stream left over.
I doubt they’d do that too. But I’d also have doubted they’d replace a long flume containing animatronics with a log flume containing animatronics at one point too.
DavidDL
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I already gave up visiting DCA years ago and am calling WDW quits after one final trip this spring to see Muppets, DINOSAUR, etc. Disneyland is the last domestic park that’s still worth anything in my eyes, at this point. If they removed the Rivers of America, I would plan a series of “farewell” visits (since I live so close) and then I would never return.
Probably would starting making a yearly pilgrimage out to Tokyo or Paris, though.
Probably would starting making a yearly pilgrimage out to Tokyo or Paris, though.
PiratesMansion
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Difference is they believed there would be a tangible benefit from that in the replacement of an IP they don't want to be associated with for one that they feel better about and can sell more merchandise for.
There's no benefit whatsoever to gutting the current river and replacing it with another. None.
I agree entirely.
But I’ve followed the parks long enough to not assume anything. 20 years ago no one would believe you if you said one day they’d rip out Magic Kingdom’s river to replace it with a ride about cartoon cars.
I wrote a post years ago when MiceChat was the place to discuss Disneyland about the feasibility of them shortening the river to fit a new land north of it. I was told I didn’t understand Disneyland and it would never happen. About 15 years later they opened Galaxies Edge.
Disney Irish
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I was over on MC around that time too and here a few years later, posters here who claimed to have inside knowledge said the same thing and that we didn't understand all the infrastructure needs that were required in the north side of the property because they were a former CM, and many of us said just wait and see because if its something Disney wants to do they will do it, ie if there is a will there is a way. It doesn't matter if some think xyz is unmovable or critical, if Disney want something in their Parks they will move heaven and earth to make it happen.
Exactly what I thought! Disney would NEVER make such a decision for its FLAGSHIP park of the company. Disneyland is treated differently than the other parks!We had a whole thread about it:
Just pretend DL doesn't have Carsland...and now Disney executives decide that they are going to fill in RoA and demolish TSI to put an OUTBACK themed Carsland in FRONTIERLAND!
WDW Rivers of America was an original to opening day of WDW. I am more against adding an OUTBACK themed cars land in place of RoA and TSI. IT DOES NOT FIT in the Magic Kingdom...it belongs more in HOLLYWOOD STUDIOS. If they do build it in the Magic Kingdom, my only wish is that they would theme the Frontierland side of the mountain to the west so it blends with Frontierland!
Personally, I think Disney is relying on IP's too much in their parks and not using IMAGINEERING to imagine new rides or lands. Prime example is The Great Movie Ride at Hollywood Studios, it was fine as is, but Disney lost the sponsorship and decided to gut the whole inside and put up huge video screens and show a Mickey Mouse cartoon. And don't get me started about Star Wars Galaxy Edge or the closed Star Wars hotel that was themed for a select audience and too high of a price tag for 2 days! Maybe Disney should just open up a 5th gate at WDW for IP's!? They have a lot to choose from!
PiratesMansion
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That said, in this instance I feel it's less original park exceptionalism and more about other factors at play.
The most rational conclusion at this point in time, IMO, is that Fantasmic saved ROA. DLR is invested in keeping the show around because it is useful in spreading out evening crowds by offering an additional nighttime event apart from the fireworks (and, if applicable, a nighttime parade) in addition to the show being well-regarded by guests, and thus, everything utilized in and/or beneficial to the show is destined to stay in some capacity. They kept exactly enough of the river and its surroundings to perform Fantasmic without issue when they redid everything in 2016.
In particular, I'm convinced that there is NO way Columbia wouldn't have been scrapped during the Pressler era without its use in Fantasmic. It even had a high profile incident that could have been used to kill the ride off had they been so inclined (as happened with the Keelboats).