How long will it take to train...?

DznyGrlSD

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In the Parks
Yes
...for the full marathon? I would LOVE to run at least the 1/2 in 2018 and the full by 2019 (before I turn 40)

Right now I run....ZERO. I can run @ 5.2(ish) for about 30 seconds at a time then walk 3.5-3.7. I currently spend 30 minutes on the treadmill 3-4x a week plus weights.

I have C25k - is that the best place to start? I'm currently on a weightloss journey as well under a strict low carb diet...which CAN be modified if I become a "serious" runner.

Gotta start somewhere, right?
 

LAKid53

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@DznyGrlSD, kudos on your journey to be healthier... and become a "serious" runner. *thumbs up*

Yup, you've got to start somewhere. And a couch to 5k training program is the best start. However, I would not recommend that you make a half marathon your first major race. Start with a 5k, any 5k, but one you will be comfortable running in terms of season (not in August) and terrain. Flat roads are better than hills for a first timer. Although concrete is killer on your knees, but most road races will be either concrete or asphalt. Training for a half marathon is around 19-20 weeks for a beginner.

If you're already using the TM 3-4 times a week, you're working on that cardio and more importantly for running distances, endurance. And use that TM for your training. To mimic the effect of running outdoors (wind), increase the incline on the TM to 1%. But do this after you've done a nice warm up few minutes.

Many training programs for first timers talk about Run Walk Run routine. Usually start with 30 seconds running, then 30 seconds walking then 30 seconds running. As you improve your endurance, you increase the run/walk/run times. Don't sweat (no pun intended) if you spend most of your training time walking for the first month or so. The point is to increase your endurance which will result in longer periods running at a faster pace. I would start with no more than 30 total minutes each training day with as many R/W/R periods you can safely handle. If you don't have a fitness tracker that includes a heart rate monitor, you might want to get one. Not only will you be able to track pace, distance, etc., you will be able to check your heart rate. Very important.

Make sure you have a day of rest in between your running days. My routine is 30 minute maintenance runs on Tuesday and Thursday, with Saturday my distance run. I also work out with a trainer at my gym on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday... that's my weight training. Sundays are my rest day. I'm running my first half in November, the Wine & Dine. Actually I'm running the Challenge - 10k on Saturday and half on Sunday. But this isn't my first race... just my first half.

Check out the runDisney website. Their trainer, Jeff Galloway, is a former distance runner and Olympian. And he's in his 60s and still runs. He's got really great tips for first time runners. And training schedules for races 10k and up. Look at them so you can see how many weeks he recommends for each race, the distances you need to run in training, etc. Plus, his schedules can be imported into your calendar.

Are you an annual passholder or DVC member? Next Tuesday is early registration for the Princess Half Marathon weekend in February 2017; regular registration starts Tuesday, July 12th. Check out the event and see if you'd be interested in registering for the 5k. You've got plenty of time to train for it. runDisney says that you must maintain a pace of 16 minutes/mile, but they don't check pace for any of the 5ks and I didn't see the pace cart for the 10k I ran in April. The Princess weekend is loads of fun. That was my first 5k in years and my first runDisney race. While their races aren't cheap, they are well organized, which I think is important for beginning runners. I ran my first local 10k in May and was disappointed at the lack of details provide to runners - no route maps (and a map, especially with hydration stations marked, is important), no race staff stationed along the route to answer questions/assist runners (important questions, like 'where's the nearest bathroom?'), etc. The last mile of the race was so poorly marked, some runners saw their times affected.

I'm concerned about your strict low carb diet, though. You need carbs for energy to fuel your muscles, especially for endurance activity like running. Do you do your cardio/weights at a gym? Does the gym have personal trainers? If so, ask one of them about your low carb diet and see if they can suggest foods that will help you feed your training but also meet your diet needs. And don't forget protein. You need protein within 30 minutes after a workout to help your muscles recover. runDisney's website also includes advice from a nutritionist. And she will include recipes. And of course, speak with your doctor to maker sure there are no problems with you starting a training program for running.

Apologize for the length of this response. There are several serious runners on the runDisney forum and they are excellent sources for advice, encouragement, support. Welcome to running. One you've run your first runDisney event, you will be hooked. And in a few years, you will be showing us your medal from the Doopey Challenge! :joyfull:

Take care
 

dreamfinder

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That's a loaded question. Do you want to simply finish the marathon? Galloway has a plan here -> http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/marathon-training/ that will let you simply finish with about 30 weeks of training, assuming have some base training. Most of the more serious plans usually involve 16-20 weeks of training, but they typically assume that you already have a base of 20+ miles a week. Giving yourself 2 years to do a full marathon is definitely doable. Starting with a C25K program is definitely a good way to get going. Shoot to do a few 5k races within a few months, see how they go, and plan from there.

Personally I wouldn't recommend anyone do a marathon without at least a 9 months to a year or running under their belt. Start - 3 months, build up base. 3 - 6 months do a few 5ks, 6 - 9 months do a 10k or maybe 10 miler, 9 months do a half, and then you should be in a good place to build up for a full at about a year. Obviously this assumes general fitness and health. If you are looking at serious weight loss, it may take you longer than that.

I wouldn't worry too much about the diet at the beginning and in all honesty, even later on. Eating sensibly and making good food choices will let you fuel your body as needed. I haven't carb loaded before a race in 6-7 years now, and focus more on post run recovery fuels than anything else. One of the key things to remember, especially if you are working on weight loss is not to do a run, then reward yourself with junk as that offsets any gain you had from the run. Alot of people think "Hey, I just burnt 500 calories, now I can go eat a pint of ice cream" and that just doesn't work. But depending on your rate of weight loss, and your diet plan, you probably should consult with your doctor and potentially a dietitian before you go too far.

Good luck, and congrats on deciding to get out and get running. Definitely ask any questions you have, and we will all do our best to chime in.
 

LAKid53

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That's a loaded question. Do you want to simply finish the marathon? Galloway has a plan here -> http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/marathon-training/ that will let you simply finish with about 30 weeks of training, assuming have some base training. Most of the more serious plans usually involve 16-20 weeks of training, but they typically assume that you already have a base of 20+ miles a week. Giving yourself 2 years to do a full marathon is definitely doable. Starting with a C25K program is definitely a good way to get going. Shoot to do a few 5k races within a few months, see how they go, and plan from there.

Personally I wouldn't recommend anyone do a marathon without at least a 9 months to a year or running under their belt. Start - 3 months, build up base. 3 - 6 months do a few 5ks, 6 - 9 months do a 10k or maybe 10 miler, 9 months do a half, and then you should be in a good place to build up for a full at about a year. Obviously this assumes general fitness and health. If you are looking at serious weight loss, it may take you longer than that.

I wouldn't worry too much about the diet at the beginning and in all honesty, even later on. Eating sensibly and making good food choices will let you fuel your body as needed. I haven't carb loaded before a race in 6-7 years now, and focus more on post run recovery fuels than anything else. One of the key things to remember, especially if you are working on weight loss is not to do a run, then reward yourself with junk as that offsets any gain you had from the run. Alot of people think "Hey, I just burnt 500 calories, now I can go eat a pint of ice cream" and that just doesn't work. But depending on your rate of weight loss, and your diet plan, you probably should consult with your doctor and potentially a dietitian before you go too far.

Good luck, and congrats on deciding to get out and get running. Definitely ask any questions you have, and we will all do our best to chime in.


^ THIS

@dreamfinder said it much better than I did... and without the rambling. To his excellent advice, I will add using the proper equipment.... running shoes AND socks. Because nothing will hamper your goal to run the WDW full marathon than problems created by improperly fitted shoes. Those shoes you wear on the treadmill? Probably not ones you should wear running. Is there a running store near where you live? I don't mean a big box store like Academy, Sports Authority and the like. I mean a store owned and operated by runners. Because you need to be properly fitted, both width and length. Your feet swell when you run. Shoes that fit just fine will be too tight/short after a few miles. And if you over or under pronate, you need shoes to compensate. My local running store has a video camera so they can film your feet while you run to check for this. Poorly fitted shoes will cause not just foot problems, but knee, hip and back issues. And socks. You need a couple of pairs of good blister proof socks. And properly fitted ones, too. And change those shoes every 400 miles or so. You don't want to be pounding (and you will be) the pavement of WDW in shoes that are two years old.

@dreamfinder, you mean I shouldn't have that pint of Ben & Jerry's after a 10 mile run?! Darn. ;)

@DznyGrlSD, keep us posted on your training progress. There are several experienced runners on the running forum threads who can give you great advice and encouragement when you hit that "oh, why am I doing this point" (and you will). Follow the threads for the particular race events you want to run in. Many of them have been going on for years, so start with the last few pages. You can pick up great tips about the race, registration, places to stay, etc. Plus nothing provides support (and humor) more than reading the posts of others preparing to run that race. Fellow comrades.

Good luck. And we hope to see you at the marathon in January 2019!
 

DznyGrlSD

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In the Parks
Yes
Thanks everyone!! My Goal is to run several (non-Disney) 5k or 10k next year, at least a half in 2018 and full by early 2019.
 

BrianV

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Except that I have no plans to run a marathon you sound like me. I couldn't run a single mile from age 0 to 42. Last year ran my first four races (3 5's and 1 10k). I used those as a base for this year where I'm extending for a half marathon in November. You can do it faster probably, but you can also get hurt.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you will not lose weight running. According to my Runkeeper program I've burned approximately 22lbs of weight off since last July (assuming 3500cal/lb). And I weigh exactly the same as I did then. I lost weight before i started training by eating less. That worked well.

Good luck with the running. And keep us posted.

EDIT: I should add YMMV as far as weight loss. Physically you lose weight by burning more calories than you take it. Eat less or burn more. I've personally seen the former work and the latter not.
 
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LAKid53

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Except that I have no plans to run a marathon you sound like me. I couldn't run a single mile from age 0 to 42. Last year ran my first four races (3 5's and 1 10k). I used those as a base for this year where I'm extending for a half marathon in November. You can do it faster probably, but you can also get hurt.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you will not lose weight running. According to my Runkeeper program I've burned approximately 22lbs of weight off since last July (assuming 3500cal/lb). And I weigh exactly the same as I did then. I lost weight before i started training by eating less. That worked well.

Good luck with the running. And keep us posted.

EDIT: I should add YMMV as far as weight loss. Physically you lose weight by burning more calories than you take it. Eat less or burn more. I've personally seen the former work and the latter not.

And don't forget muscle weighs more than fat... which is what I tell my trainer when she gives me this face :/ when we check my stats every month.... "But I'm building muscle!" ;)
 

BrianV

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And don't forget muscle weighs more than fat... which is what I tell my trainer when she gives me this face :/ when we check my stats every month.... "But I'm building muscle!" ;)

Yup, tried to convince myself of that. ;) I guess another way of looking at it is I would be 22lb heavier if not for running!
 

LAKid53

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Yup, tried to convince myself of that. ;) I guess another way of looking at it is I would be 22lb heavier if not for running!

Running does help with weight loss. However, it needs to be at least 3 times a week... and distances of at least 2-3 miles a run. Back when I was running regularly - 5-6 times a week for 15-20 miles total - I was able to loose weight and maintain a weight I was comfortable with. But nothing is better than building muscle, since muscle tissue burns more calories than fat. And weight training is the best (and only way, really) to build muscle mass. Consistent regular exercise is the key.

I found the study results from following participants in one season of the Biggest Loser interesting. Especially the discussion of body weight set points and metabolic responses as you loose weight. Especially important for post menopausal women (me).

But yeah, calorie intake < calories expended will result in weight loss. Not special diets (every time I see Marie Osmond hawking Nutrisystem, I laugh), pills, etc. But first one has to figure out what one's basic daily calorie needs are, i.e., what you need to maintain body functions.

I think dreamfinder gave excellent advice. See a nutritionist. I have access to several sports nutritionists through my job, so I'm always emailing them for advice. Which is where I got the "just drink a glass of low fat chocolate milk after a workout - forget those protein drinks. It has the right combination of carbs and protein (80/20). Just don't drink the entire carton." :hungry: Sadly, physicians aren't well trained in nutrition in medical school.
 

JillC LI

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Congrats to you for your goals! I've always said that it was just as hard going from 0 to3 miles as it was going from 3 to 26.2 miles. Back in 1995 I decided to "become a runner." I literally could not run one block at 26 years old. I followed a plan similar to the Couch 2 5K plan. After about 3 months I could run 3 miles. I was a fair weather friend to running for the next 10 years, never going above 6.2 miles. Then in 2005 I decided I wanted to get serious and run a marathon. I went from 3 miles to 26.2 miles in about 6 months following the NY Road Runners Club training plan, and I completed the NYC Marathon at age 37. I had no time goal and simply wanted to finish without walking. There's nothing wrong with a run-walk plan, but it wasn't my goal. I've been a dedicated and consistent runner for the past 11 years, only forgoing runs due to injury.

So while I think that you COULD go from 0 to marathon in about 9 months provided that you simply wanted to finish, perhaps you should give yourself a little longer, particularly if you are combining the process with a weight loss plan. Long distance running makes you HUNGRY! lol. Your goals of a Half by 2018 and a Full by 2019 are more than reasonable and give you plenty of time to create a solid base. Good luck!
 

kjb101791

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I am convinced that anyone can run a marathon, and I fully encourage everyone to try. It's an amazing experience. But I agree, the place to start is a 5k. The real key is to not injure yourself, so very gradually increasing your weekly mileage is the way to go. Also, don't underestimate the benefits of walking, especially starting out. Make sure you go to a local running shop and get fitted for some decent shoes that fit your "gait". Most people that work in those places know what they're doing and, as I've found in the running community in general, can be quite welcoming.
 

Greenlawler

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Well, obviously all the above advice is great. But I started running in 2007 at age 34 weighing 230 pounds.
I downloaded the Hal Higdon beginner plan, stuck with it and finished my first marathon just to say I had done it.

It was possibly one of the best moments of my life.

I had never run any distance before that, ever.

My point is....these training plans work. You could do an 18 week Higdon plan and I am confident you could run a marathon at the end of those 18 weeks

Ten years later I have 20 half's, and 10 fulls under my belt.
 
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