Has anyone used David's points rental before? (please don't move, not a DVC question)

mbroschak

Active Member
Hi all,

my gf (her first trip!!!) and myself, a well seasoned veteran will be in the world for 14 nights arriving on Oct 23, so excited! We've been looking at deluxe villas and I'm choking on the prices ($6300 at beach club or boardwalk villas with park tix). I know the rack rates will drop as we get closer with some kind of promo code, but I was looking at dvcrequest.com and David's website seems pretty legit and allows people to rent out their unused points for a fraction of what it would cost otherwise ($3700 for 14 nights of bay lake tower MK view!) what's the deal here? can anyone back this up with any personal experience? I'm a little hesitant with the huge differences in price. I know his site includes accommodation only, but I can find 2, 10 day park hoppers for $650 total, so it still blows the retail price out of the water...
 
We tried to get a reservation about 6 months ago using Daves Rentals. Unfortunately the dates we wanted weren't available but I can tell you the money that was taken from my bank account as a deposit to secure the reservation was returned to my account about a day and a half later.

We'll use him in the future.
 
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dreamfinder

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The rack costs for the villas tend to be inflated a bit. This helps DVC owners to justify their point purchases, and feel like that are saving more money. The same way people on free dining love to order the expensive steak (even though it shouldn't be that expensive since it is now a lesser cut of meat), they think they are "saving" more money than if they went with something else.

Example - A standard room/standard view at AKL for Feb 11th or 12th (value for rack, Dream for DVC) would be $260. A studio/standard view for that same time period would be $345. A DVC owner would pay 15 pts for that studio. 344 sq ft for the standard room, about 365 sq ft for that studio. The major plus to the studio is the kitchenette. Does a kitchenette and an extra 20 sq ft equate to an additional $85 per night? Not in my opinion, but that is what Disney charges.

So if you rent points, at $13 per point, you would pay $195 for that room. That room would cost the owner $75 in dues, plus maybe $45 towards their initial point purchase. That means it costs the owner about $120. I would imagine that the owners get $9-10 per point with the rest going to the site owner, so they just about break even, and maybe make a few bucks on the deal. But the important part is that they don't lose any money on those points.

But renting points is legit. You can even go directly through an owner and save a bit more, but then it becomes a trust issue. You get them for cheap so the owner covers their costs and doesn't lose money. Obviously a 2 bedroom unit is much harder to compare as Disney doesn't really offer those outside of the villas, but you still save money considerably over rack.

Remember that if you go through a DVC owner, you don't get daily housekeeping. You will get trash/towel service on the 4th day I believe, but thats it unless you are there for a week. You can pay extra, but it really starts to negate the cost savings. Also, if you do book a trip this way, the owner will need to make any changes to your reservations. Adding the dining plan, anything like that the member would need to do on your behalf.

Hopefully that helps to explain the cost difference.
 
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prspeppers

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I ONLY use Dave's service now. I used to book all of my vacations through AAA before I knew about him. I tried renting points for the first time 3 years ago. I saved tons of $$$ and you get to stay in DVC hotels (I love Old Key West).

Don't hesitate to try him out. He's very friendly, answers any questions you may have, sends you legit contracts, etc... VERY PROFESSIONAL. If you have any specific questions feel free to ask me. I've booked 5 vacations with him. My next one is in June for my Honeymoon! I can't wait!
 
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Ariel484

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I ONLY use Dave's service now. I used to book all of my vacations through AAA before I knew about him. I tried renting points for the first time 3 years ago. I saved tons of $$$ and you get to stay in DVC hotels (I love Old Key West).

Don't hesitate to try him out. He's very friendly, answers any questions you may have, sends you legit contracts, etc... VERY PROFESSIONAL. If you have any specific questions feel free to ask me. I've booked 5 vacations with him. My next one is in June for my Honeymoon! I can't wait!

Completely agree with this. We have 2 trips booked with Dave - a split stay in June and marathon weekend in January. We got our first choice resorts for June...for January we wanted a BLT studio, but they were all booked. We got our second choice at Beach Club Villas with no problems. Both show up just fine on my Disney.com account, along with all of my dining ADRs. He's really easy to get ahold of over email and almost always responds to questions within 24 hours (from my experience). Currently I'm waiting to hear back about adding Magical Express to our Juen trip, and once that is set up we'll be good to go.

Keep in mind that you need to put a deposit of 5 points down when you first fill out a rental request (I think it's $65), and if something is booked for you, you'll need to pay off the rest of your reservation right away.
 
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alawrence

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I am glad that someone has asked this question. We were really close to trying his service for our trip in Oct., but chickened out at the last moment and booked through Disney directly. I will sit back and follow this post, and hopefully have enough peace of mind next time to book with Dave. :wave:
 
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disneygirl1

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I too am super glad that someone asked this question as well... We are considering using him next April for our Pre-Disney Cruise stay! Feedback seems pretty positive! I think we will definitely give him a try!
 
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I've rented from both points brokers and private owners. A points broker basically acts as an intermediary between you and the owner taking care of all the messy stuff like ensuring that the owner is legit and talking to the owner about your Magical Express, dining plan, and other issues. You'll never talk to ther owner and the broker never talks to Disney--all the actual arrangements are made through the owner and DVC member services. Because it's a business, the owner has an incentive to get back to you right away if you need something; I know people who've rented directly from owners who've had issues getting things done and since you can't deal with DVC member services directly, you are kind of a the mercy of the person you rent from. For that convenience, you pay an additional $3 (or so) more per point than average. It's great if you don't want to deal with an owner directly.

The service points brokers offer is essentially a gray area for Disney, which has taken steps to keep professional renters from offering this type of service. Disney doesn't like points brokers, but since the broker isn't involved in the transaction with Disney, Disney can't do anything about it. I doubt Disney will do anything to stop brokers, even if they could, because allowing members to freely use their points is an important benefit.

The biggest benefit of using a broker is that you run almost no risk of showing up at Disney World and not having a room. Brokers want return business and good word of mouth, so they make sure their owners are legit and if anything does go wrong, they'll make it better. Your recourse using an owner directly is limited and certainly not going to solve itself easily if you show up and find out an owner has cancelled your reservation. You almost never hear about this happening, of course. Most rentals go really smoothly, but that's not to say that it can't be a little scary.

Now, having said this, I don't like using brokers simply because the higher price they charge means it isn't worth it to me. I don't need someone to make my ADRs and I can easily check to see if the owner I'm renting from is legit. Also, I've been renting points long enough that I have a couple of owners I regularly go to and if they can't help me, they can put me in touch with someone who can.

Beyond the higher cost, the biggest reason I don't go through a broker is that most of them offer no more protection in the event of cancelation than the average owner. In fact, they probably offer less, as I've had to cancel points rentals before and had owners work with me and be really nice about it. With a broker, you're pretty much out of luck unless you buy private insurance. The benefit of renting points is that you pay less, but you incur some risk. That's what you have to balance out. To me, that risk is worth it at the usual cost of $10 per point, but when you weigh the risk of cancellation against the cost of a higher points rental, it's less worth it to me. I've done the numbers, and at $13 a point, you'll only save a few hundred (depending on the time of year and available discount) over the discounted cost from Disney. At that price, I'd rather just pay the extra money and go through Disney because their cancellation policies are pretty friendly.

This isn't to say that I think brokers are bad, just to offer a different perspective. David and other brokers out there are totally legit and offer a good service to both owners and renters, it's just more service than I personally need or am willing to pay for.
 
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meganw1985

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We rented from Dave last Sept for our AKV stay. We got a savanna view studio for about $1000, whereas if we would have booked it through Disney, it would have been almost triple that for the week. It went well, we got our first choice (8 months out, mind you) and was a seamless process. We had no problems checking in, nothing. The only thing I remember happening was I called the week before to "confirm" our reservation, and they couldn't find it in the regular system I normally call and confirm with. But that was because it was booked through member services, not Disney, and since I wasn't the actual member, they couldn't "confirm" it for me. I just made sure I had copies of everything, confirmation from Dave and member services website, and my contract. I didn't have to use any of it, but I had it just in case. I will definately use him again.
 
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nolatron

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I've rented points a couple times but directly from owners as it's cheaper than going through a broker.

Just be aware you probably need to rent/book 7 months or more in advance as many DVC rooms are usually booked up by that time.

Also, as a way of confirming your reservation Disney added the ability to add a DVC confirmation number into your My Reservations page at disneyworld.com a few years ago. It'll pull up the resort, dates, etc... So that was how I checked on my last DVC rental every now and then to make sure the Confirmation # still came up as valid. Or at least I'm pretty sure I did. :)
 
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mbroschak

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thanks for all the great advice everyone. I'm always amazed on this site the lengths that people will go to in helping a fellow disney-aholic so that my girlfriend and I can have the best vacation! It's just under 6 months from our arrival date, and as a former DVC owner, I know the odds of getting out 1st, 2nd or even 3rd choices are pretty slim, we'll see how it turns out, but I bit the bullet and decided to give David's company a chance... I'll let you know
 
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