Happy ending for Pixar, Disney?

speck76

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As The Incredibles opens Nov. 5, there's hope for a post-Eisner reconciliation.

By Claudia Eller | Los Angeles Times
Posted October 17, 2004


HOLLYWOOD -- In The Incredibles, next month's computer-animated offering from Pixar Animation Studios and Walt Disney Co., a bored superhero with a bulging waistline springs back from retirement to save the world.

For the two companies, rescuing a planet seems a snap compared with saving a relationship that began imploding in January when talks over renewing their partnership collapsed. But with that deal nearing doomsday, there are flickers of optimism that one of Hollywood's most successful collaborations may be salvaged.

Opening Nov. 5, The Incredibles marks the next-to-last film under the Pixar-Disney partnership that is set to end with the release of its next movie, Cars, in November 2005.

To date, the two companies have joined forces on five consecutive digitally animated hits: two Toy Story films, Monsters, Inc., A Bug's Life and Finding Nemo. Those movies are expected by analysts to ultimately generate more than $3 billion in total profit, split between the two sides.

Despite those successes, Pixar chief executive Steve Jobs walked away in frustration from negotiations that would have extended the 13-year relationship. The talks had dragged on for nearly a year as Disney CEO Michael Eisner refused to agree to some of Jobs' more aggressive demands -- notably that Pixar would retroactively own all the movies and control sequels, if they were made.

The personal animus between Jobs and Eisner is widely thought to have played a central role in the dissolution of the partnership.

However, the Disney chief has announced that he would leave the company when his contract expires in 2006.

Although many on Wall Street remain convinced that reconciliation is a lost cause, others close to both parties hold out a glimmer of hope now that Eisner is leaving. Disney's board is expected to identify a successor by June.

People close to Jobs say he would be open to resuming talks with Eisner's successor.

"It's fair to say that given the successful partnership, investors would be happy if these two companies came together," said Lowell Singer of SG Cowen & Co. "I think Eisner's impending departure keeps the door open for that possibility."

In an interview, Jobs would not answer questions about the Disney-Pixar disagreements. He said the companies were focused for now on making The Incredibles a success. He did, however, note that yet another Pixar hit would open up even more opportunities for the Emeryville, Calif.-based company.

"Pixar is lucky enough to be five-for-five," Jobs said. "If Incredibles makes that six-for-six . . . it gives us wonderful options to work with all sorts of people."

With $755 million in cash and no debt, Pixar is poised to finance its own movies and reap the profits, paying a studio a fee to distribute the movies in theaters and on DVD. Another hit would give Jobs even more leverage with Disney or any replacement studio.

At Disney, some executives aren't ready to concede defeat.

"I would love to think it's never over until it's over," Disney studio Chairman ________ Cook said.

Disney President Robert Iger, however, recently sounded resigned when asked about Disney's future with Pixar.

"It would be nice to continue that relationship into infinity, but . . . I think we outgrow one another in a sense," Iger said. "And while I'm not ruling out some continuation, it's unlikely that there will be one."

Iger suggested that Pixar had "weaned itself from its need for Disney."

But people close to the Disney president said he had privately expressed regret for coming across as too pessimistic. They said Jobs liked Iger and would be open to resuming talks if he replaced Eisner.

Claudia Eller is a reporter for the Los Angeles Times, a Tribune Publishing newspaper.
 

cherrynegra

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The partnership between Disney and Pixar is a win/win situation for both camps. Hopefull if and when a successor is named, things will calm down between Pixar and Disney and talks can resume.
 

Woody13

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As long as Jobs continues to ask for his outlandish deal, there can never be another business relationship between Pixar and Disney. No other major studio is willing to touch Pixar either. Eisner has never been the problem in this relationship.
 

prberk

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speck76 said:
"It would be nice to continue that relationship into infinity, but . . . I think we outgrow one another in a sense," Iger said. "And while I'm not ruling out some continuation, it's unlikely that there will be one."

So, I guess we can say that Iger would like to see this go "to infinity" and beyond! :animwink:

Sorry: I couldn't help myself! :lol: :hammer:

Paul

P.S.: I still think that Steve Jobs could easily use this situation as leverage either to get himself the job (and maybe merge the two companies, with creative control of all animation given to John Lasseter), or to have impact on who the board decides on to replace Eisner.
 

Dr.Seeker

Member
What is wrong with these people? Do the math:

Pixar=Great films, no distribution
Disney=Great distribution, no films

Therefore Pixar plus Disney= Great films plus great distribution.

Any questions? No. Good.
 

matrtj

New Member
Dr.Seeker said:
Pixar=Great films, no distribution
Disney=Great distribution, no films

Therefore Pixar plus Disney= Great films plus great distribution.
Unless Disney start demanding more control over the films as well. They might want to do more films with cows...

If Pixar and Disney do continue together then imo it's got to be as they do now, as separate maker/distributor.

Whats the betting Eisner and Jobs have one last catfight before Eisner goes that blows the whole thing up? And if there is a big falling out what are they going to do with the Pixar themed rides? Buzz-off Lightyear?

M
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Eisner and Jobs have huge egos. A deal between them will NOT happen. I think there's a chance of a deal once a new CEO is named, but Jobs is going to have to back off on some of his demands. I would love to see a *joint* Disney/Pixar marketing relationship, where they both get to use existing and future characters. I also believe that Pixar should have ownership of future movies, but they'll have to give something up to get that.
 

speck76

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from the article said:
Despite those successes, Pixar chief executive Steve Jobs walked away in frustration from negotiations that would have extended the 13-year relationship. The talks had dragged on for nearly a year as Disney CEO Michael Eisner refused to agree to some of Jobs' more aggressive demands -- notably that Pixar would retroactively own all the movies and control sequels, if they were made.


Disney would make the "dumbest business decision of the decade" to agree to these demands.

Let's face the facts. Pixar could have never gotten to where they are now without the distribution abilities of Disney, and now, since Pixar is a public company, and has some financial muscle, they can exist without the mouse.

Yes, what Pixar does is great, and their artists are very talented, but I am sure there are other companies around that are in their infancy stage, they are where Pixar was prior to the Disney agreement, that are just as talented, and have the potential to, 12 years later, be where Pixar is today. These are the companies that Disney should be partnering with.
 

cherrynegra

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speck76 said:
Disney would make the "dumbest business decision of the decade" .

Um...how about buying the Fox Family Channel for way more than it was worth?...or how about the way Disney hired and then fired Ovitz and are now facing the shareholders' ire in court...um...I'm sure there are some other ones we can think of.
 

speck76

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cherrynegra said:
Um...how about buying the Fox Family Channel for way more than it was worth?...or how about the way Disney hired and then fired Ovitz and are now facing the shareholders' ire in court...um...I'm sure there are some other ones we can think of.


Those are also on the list.

Who would have really thought back in 1995'ish that the Ovitz deal would go bad......he was the most powerful man in Hollywood, and was, at that time, good pals with Eisner.

As for Fox Family, it is funny to hear the seller bragging that he took WDC for "billions".....that was not a good sign.
 

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