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Hamm Sandwich

Gucci65

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Wckd Queen said:
I can vouch for Paulas sleep habits...as mine usually fall in line with hers! :lol: I'm a terrible insomniac, and am usually up till around 3am, even when I have to get up for work the next morning :( The other night, I was upset about something, and the last time I looked at my watch as I lay in bed, it was 5am...and yet, sleep eluded me :snore:

Paul :slurp: is in People mag this week...the one with Lindsay Lohan on the cover.

Lisa I'm afraid you have a severe case of Hammitous. :lol:
 

Wckd Queen

New Member
Gucci65 said:
Lisa I'm afraid you have a severe case of Hammitous. :lol:
I fear you are right :( Last night, they showed a little interview with him on NBC during Costas' show and it made my night! And I just printed off Anderson Coopers interview with him on cnn.com! So, either its Hammitous, or these Olympics have been WAY more boring than I am willing to allow myself to admit, considering I am a HUGE fan of the Olympics :lol:

By the way..was it me, or was there an incredible LACK of fans in the stands for that Gold medal soccer game between Brazil and the US? :(
 

Gucci65

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Nope it wasn't just you. The European fans probably couldn't get off work early enough or they would have been there in force so they could boo the American team.

That crap at the 200m last night was driving me nuts. Had I been a runner, I would have found it hard not to give them the piece sign (which is the same as our one fingered salute). Then I would have claimed complete innocence, "But Sir, I wanted them to calm down - so I was telling them to have peace........."

All Americans who have won Gold metals have gotten the h*ll out of dodge. Who can blame them? During the closing ceremonies I would truly love to see an American athlete who is ready to retire hold up a sign telling the Greeks they can kiss his red, white & blue butt!!! (sorry for the rant, I just get tired of the ignorance).

Love and kisses to all!!!
 

Lil'mermaid

New Member
look what I found

Paul Hamm Asked to Give Up Gold Medal

Associated Press/AP Online


ATHENS, Greece - World gymnastics officials asked Paul Hamm to give up his gold medal as the ultimate show of sportsmanship, but the U.S. Olympic Committee told them to take responsibility for their own mistakes and refused even to deliver the request.

In a dispute over scores that has turned into a political squabble, the head of the International Gymnastics Federation suggested in a letter to Hamm that giving the all-around gold medal to South Korea's Yang Tae-young "would be recognized as the ultimate demonstration of fair play by the whole world."

FIG president Bruno Grandi tried to send the letter Thursday night to Hamm through the USOC, which declined to pass it along.

In a letter back to Grandi, USOC secretary general Jim Scherr called the request "a blatant and inappropriate attempt on the part of (FIG) to once again shift responsibility for its own mistakes and instead pressure Mr. Hamm into resolving what has become an embarrassing situation for your federation."

"The USOC finds this request to be improper, outrageous and so far beyond the bounds of what is acceptable that it refuses to transmit the letter to Mr. Hamm," the letter said.

Hamm returned to the United States earlier this week. He declined comment Friday through his agent, but he has said in the past that he has no intention of giving up his medal unless ordered to do so by FIG.

Yang, the bronze medalist, was wrongly docked a tenth of a point on his parallel bars routine and finished third, 0.049 points behind Hamm. Add the extra 0.100, and Yang would have finished 0.051 points ahead of Hamm.

Three judges were suspended after the error was discovered, but FIG said the results would stand.

Grandi said he believed the issue was closed until he learned of Hamm's previous comment.

"For me, maybe he could have said, `I have won the gold medal and the FIG just has to tell me whether it maintains the results or not,'" Grandi said. "And not make a statement whether he would return the gold medal if we asked him to."

Although Grandi's letter says, "The true winner of the all-around competition is Yang Tae-young," the FIG president insisted he's not pressuring Hamm.

"There is no doubt he has won the medal," Grandi said. "He deserves the medal and the ranking is clear. ... I respect totally Paul Hamm and all the decisions he makes. If he says give back the medal, I respect it. Don't give back the medal, I respect the decision. He is not responsible for anything."

The USOC had a much different interpretation.

"I don't know of any comparison in any sport anywhere where you crown an athlete, crown a team and then say, `Oh, that was a mistake. Would you fix this for us?'" USOC chairman Peter Ueberroth said.

Ueberroth said the USOC considers the case closed, based on the FIG ruling that the scores cannot be changed. He also cited a statement from International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge, who said the IOC would stick with the results turned in by the federation and wouldn't step in unless there were clear signs of impropriety.

"We are not going to give medals for so-called humanitarian or emotional reasons," Rogge said.

Grandi seemed to be appealing to Hamm's emotions. Above the "Dear Paul" greeting on Grandi's letter, the word "FAIRPLAY" was capitalized and printed in bold, black letters.

"The FIG and the IOC would highly appreciate the magnitude of this gesture," the letter said.

Earlier in the week, the USOC said it was willing to consider supporting the South Koreans' bid for a second gold medal. Scherr said that was no longer possible because of FIG's latest request. He said he regretted not coming out in support of Hamm as soon as the controversy began.

"I think we were at fault for not more strongly, more directly, showing our support for Paul," Scherr said. "I wish we would have done that more strongly and earlier."
 

Atta83

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I can not believe that they asked him to do this!!! I think since that it is the judges mistake that they should have to make another gold medal for the other athelete. Its just like what happened in figure skating two years ago. They had double golds for the figure skaters.......
 

Wckd Queen

New Member
The unmittigated gaul of FIG to try and shift responsibility onto Paul Hamm! THEIR judges made the error...TWO errors if Tim Dagget is correct in showing that the Korean had 4 holds as opposed to the maximum allowable 3 holds (a 2/10s point deduction, which was NOT deducted)!

If this is the case, and they want Paul to give back the gold, then perhaps they should review of ALL of the judging...after all, it would only show good sportsmanship to make sure EVERYONE got judged fairly and not just one gymnast :fork:
 

AliciaLuvzDizne

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I dont know if you guys know this but the rules state that if anyone wants to contest a ruling or a score they have to do it BEFORE THE NEXT EVENT. South Korea didnt contest the judging error until the next day... So as far as I'm concerned TOO BAD, next time you should pay attention. It makes me sooo sick that the IOC wanted him to give up his medal. If they really feel that S.Korea should have a gold, then they can share...but Paul Hamm worked his way up from 12th place...what deserves a medal more than that!??
 

GoofyFan1

Active Member
The same rule applies to track/field. The Russian hurdler could have protested for being interfered with by the Canadian runner, but had to do that with in 24 hrs. The difference here is that they would make them run the race over. Seems a little more fair than protesting a judge's subjective ruling and just awarding someone else the medal.
 

AliciaLuvzDizne

Well-Known Member
GoofyFan1 said:
The same rule applies to track/field. The Russian hurdler could have protested for being interfered with by the Canadian runner, but had to do that with in 24 hrs. The difference here is that they would make them run the race over. Seems a little more fair than protesting a judge's subjective ruling and just awarding someone else the medal.
i was wondering about that hurdler... did she protest the race? the american who won was so excited when she realized it lol
 

GoofyFan1

Active Member
AliciaLuvzDizne said:
i was wondering about that hurdler... did she protest the race? the american who won was so excited when she realized it lol

No, not that I'm aware of. Unfortunately someone falling into your lane when running the hurdles goes with the territory. When your running the hurdles, its common to have three steps in between them, and sometimes you just get out of rythm or come up short. Usually it's your knees that suffer. Sometimes it's your pride and the person in the lane next to you. When I ran there used to be a guy that flung his arms out while going over the hurdles and hit you. Fortunately it was never enough to completely interfere with my race.
 

Wckd Queen

New Member
There was just a small interview on with Tim Dagget, Bob Costas and Paul Hamm on. Once again, Dagget showed the South Koreans routine, and he clearly pressed into a 4th hold, which is illegal and , as Tim said, a MANDATORY .2 deduction that was NOT taken by the crack judges provided by FIG, the governing body of international gymnastics. They then showed the letter sent to the USOC, by FIG, addressed to Paul Hamm (Dear Paul, they said it read *darrels*) wherein FIG "advises" Paul Hamm that in the "spirit of good sportsmanship" he should offer up the Gold (because he had stated that if they told him to he would have no other choice...meaning, if they made a DECISION that he did not win, he would give it up because, what other choice would he have?) Pete Uberoth (wasn't he the football commissioner? I think he lived somewhere near me at one time...) said that the USOC is insulted that FIG is trying to force the blame on Paul and trying to make their mistake his. They stand behind Paul and say that HE is the true winner of the Gold. I believe that someone with the USOC used the word "insulting" to describe the letter. (side note here: I had read somewhere where earlier on in this mess the USOC had somewhat hung the kid out to dry by not standing firmly behind him, and they apparently appologized for that in something I read somewhere :lol: ) Anyway, they then talked to poor Paul Hamm who's home in Columbus, Ohio, where he goes to school. As Paul himself said, he played by the rules. The rules clearly state that any protests need to be made on the floor the night of the event. When the event is over, and the scores are posted, a representative of FIG SIGNS the score sheet, thus ending the meet AS IS.

I loved how FIG tried to play on his sense of "fair play" Yes, it's fine to want to be fair to everyone, but what about being fair to Paul? What about the dude who finished in 4th place? Maybe HE needs to lobby that that mandatory .2 wasn't deducted and HE should have won the bronze. I mean, the fact that deduction wasn't taken is just as unfair to #4 as the fact that the start value for #3 was .1 too low, isn't it?

Poor Paul Hamm...an AMAZING night for him--and he can't even ENJOY it. :(
 

tigsmom

Well-Known Member
Wckd Queen said:
There was just a small interview on with Tim Dagget, Bob Costas and Paul Hamm on. Once again, Dagget showed the South Koreans routine, and he clearly pressed into a 4th hold, which is illegal and , as Tim said, a MANDATORY .2 deduction that was NOT taken by the crack judges provided by FIG, the governing body of international gymnastics. They then showed the letter sent to the USOC, by FIG, addressed to Paul Hamm (Dear Paul, they said it read *darrels*) wherein FIG "advises" Paul Hamm that in the "spirit of good sportsmanship" he should offer up the Gold (because he had stated that if they told him to he would have no other choice...meaning, if they made a DECISION that he did not win, he would give it up because, what other choice would he have?) Pete Uberoth (wasn't he the football commissioner? I think he lived somewhere near me at one time...) said that the USOC is insulted that FIG is trying to force the blame on Paul and trying to make their mistake his. They stand behind Paul and say that HE is the true winner of the Gold. I believe that someone with the USOC used the word "insulting" to describe the letter. (side note here: I had read somewhere where earlier on in this mess the USOC had somewhat hung the kid out to dry by not standing firmly behind him, and they apparently appologized for that in something I read somewhere :lol: ) Anyway, they then talked to poor Paul Hamm who's home in Columbus, Ohio, where he goes to school. As Paul himself said, he played by the rules. The rules clearly state that any protests need to be made on the floor the night of the event. When the event is over, and the scores are posted, a representative of FIG SIGNS the score sheet, thus ending the meet AS IS.

I loved how FIG tried to play on his sense of "fair play" Yes, it's fine to want to be fair to everyone, but what about being fair to Paul? What about the dude who finished in 4th place? Maybe HE needs to lobby that that mandatory .2 wasn't deducted and HE should have won the bronze. I mean, the fact that deduction wasn't taken is just as unfair to #4 as the fact that the start value for #3 was .1 too low, isn't it?

Poor Paul Hamm...an AMAZING night for him--and he can't even ENJOY it. :(


Very well said, Lisa. He should not give up his medal...he earned it!
 

Wckd Queen

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