Anyone heard anything? Do we think this is the end of the shows? Or just layoffs until they can run them again in a year or two?
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Frozen Musical and MATMM gone for good?
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Sharon&Susan
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IMO, I don't think Mickey and the Magical Map will return. If the Fantasyland Theater isn't bulldozed by the time that they can once again have 50% or more capacity in their theaters, I think they'll just create a new show for the venue to generate interest than bring back an old show that's had waning attendance Pre-COVID.
Frozen even though it has the same waning audience problem as Magical Map, I think will eventually be brought back just to help sell the Frozen merchandise nearby at Off the Page.
Frozen even though it has the same waning audience problem as Magical Map, I think will eventually be brought back just to help sell the Frozen merchandise nearby at Off the Page.
George Lucas on a Bench
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Why would they keep on any of these performers when they're absolutely not going to have any shows whatsoever? They will not have anything "extra" in these parks when they reopen. Not shows, not all the vendor carts, not all the stores or restaurants, probably not even characters. The bare minimum and not just because that will be all they are "allowed" to operate by The Government, but because they are not going to spend the kind of money required to have any of that stuff when their attendance and revenue will have plummeted after they've been bleeding money for all the time they've been closed. If they ever reopen, the parks are going to operate as stripped versions.
TP2000
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Just like convention centers, or even theme parks, there is no current process in California for "Live Theater" to ever reopen. Not even in the mythical Yellow Tier.
Even if you moved Disneyland 750 miles north up to Modoc County (Population: 8,875) that is in the Yellow Tier (But is going back to the Orange Tier next week after one Covid case was confirmed this week) the industry of "Live Theater" is illegal in California.
So it's no wonder that TDA finally admitted the obvious and laid off the last remaining CM's operating live theater attractions at Disneyland. It's an entertainment concept that simply doesn't exist any longer. Save Lives, Go Shopping!
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Even if you moved Disneyland 750 miles north up to Modoc County (Population: 8,875) that is in the Yellow Tier (But is going back to the Orange Tier next week after one Covid case was confirmed this week) the industry of "Live Theater" is illegal in California.
So it's no wonder that TDA finally admitted the obvious and laid off the last remaining CM's operating live theater attractions at Disneyland. It's an entertainment concept that simply doesn't exist any longer. Save Lives, Go Shopping!
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I’m mostly curious if the shows have closed for good, or the cast are just part of the layoffs.Just like convention centers, or even theme parks, there is no current process in California for "Live Theater" to ever reopen. Not even in the mythical Yellow Tier.
Even if you moved Disneyland 750 miles north up to Modoc County (Population: 8,875) that is in the Yellow Tier (But is going back to the Orange Tier next week after one Covid case was confirmed this week) the industry of "Live Theater" is illegal in California.
So it's no wonder that TDA finally admitted the obvious and laid off the last remaining CM's operating live theater attractions at Disneyland. It's an entertainment concept that simply doesn't exist any longer. Save Lives, Go Shopping!
COVID-19 Home
That series of tweets make it sound as if never returning even post Covid.
TP2000
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Again, there's currently no process for allowing live theater to operate legally in California.
Even if theme parks are eventually allowed to reopen, live theater is a separate industry that is not currently allowed. And it shows no current sign of being allowed by Sacramento.
Sure, in 2022 or 2023, it might be legally possible to recast and remount either show. But for now? It's illegal.
New York City's Broadway theater industry will be closed through at least May, 2021. Likely longer. California is of the same political mindset as New York and would be no different. Maybe check back in 2022?
Broadway will stay dark through May 30, 2021 | CNN
All ticket sales for Broadway performances in New York City will be suspended through May 30, 2021, the Broadway League announced on Friday.
www.cnn.com
https:///2020/10/disneyland-shows-c...kWM1dk8QA9IWPoXl1PFxFzWaPuVC3Y6s_a_mOOROLz-sY
DavidDL
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Under normal circumstances, I'd use this time to talk about how a better show should replace Frozen in the Hyperion and how the Fantasyland theatre should be bulldozed to make way for Fantasyland expansion/new attractions. But given the current situation, neither of those will likely happen, like, for a very, very long time.
So instead, my heart goes out to the CMs affected by these long term closures. Hopefully they can find a way to make ends meet while not allowed to live their dreams. I think I heard something about some sort of food bank for Cast Members having opened, somewhere? :/
So instead, my heart goes out to the CMs affected by these long term closures. Hopefully they can find a way to make ends meet while not allowed to live their dreams. I think I heard something about some sort of food bank for Cast Members having opened, somewhere? :/
PiratesMansion
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MATMM was likely a goner anyway even before 2020. By its last few years it seemed like it was only running weekends and it ran like that for some time, as though Entertainment wanted badly to get rid of it but weren't allowed to fully pull the trigger.
Still a big loss for the resort to lose both shows and for the cast members affected.
Still a big loss for the resort to lose both shows and for the cast members affected.
NateD1226
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Such a loss. MATMM wasn’t the best show, but it had a lot of charm and fun things about it. It was obvious it wasn’t gonna last much longer, but it still sucks to see it go. Hopefully the Cast Members working on both shows can get back on their feet and have hope that things will get better.
CJR
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When they are allowed to reopen the theaters, I will be surprised if they don't launch brand new productions in both.
Frozen will always be popular, like Aladdin has been, but it's very possible that something more fresh will pop up by the time they reopen, which is going to be a while. As an IP, Frozen is likely concluded, never say never though. I still believe that there is a desire to put a Frozen ride clone in DL. Splash Mountain might keep that from happening for some time though.
Frozen will always be popular, like Aladdin has been, but it's very possible that something more fresh will pop up by the time they reopen, which is going to be a while. As an IP, Frozen is likely concluded, never say never though. I still believe that there is a desire to put a Frozen ride clone in DL. Splash Mountain might keep that from happening for some time though.
MarvelCharacterNerd
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Just heartbroken for all the talented performers in both shows. 
Also reportedly the dueling pianos in the saloon show is gone as are the Royal St. Bachelors.
Also reportedly the dueling pianos in the saloon show is gone as are the Royal St. Bachelors.
TP2000
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For shows like this, do the CM's have a contract they were working by? As in, they had a contract that lasted a certain number of months or shows?
The finality that folks are talking about how these two shows are gone "for good", is that because all the CM's contracts were ended by finally being laid off?
Once the live theater industry is legal in California again later in the decade, there's really nothing stopping Disneyland from recasting and restarting either of these two shows. Although I would like to see two new shows replace these both.
The finality that folks are talking about how these two shows are gone "for good", is that because all the CM's contracts were ended by finally being laid off?
Once the live theater industry is legal in California again later in the decade, there's really nothing stopping Disneyland from recasting and restarting either of these two shows. Although I would like to see two new shows replace these both.
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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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Never thought I would see the day where it would be illegal to play Hamlet. "To be or not to be"....not to be.Again, there's currently no process for allowing live theater to operate legally in California.
Even if theme parks are eventually allowed to reopen, live theater is a separate industry that is not currently allowed. And it shows no current sign of being allowed by Sacramento.
Sure, in 2022 or 2023, it might be legally possible to recast and remount either show. But for now? It's illegal.
New York City's Broadway theater industry will be closed through at least May, 2021. Likely longer. California is of the same political mindset as New York and would be no different. Maybe check back in 2022?
Broadway will stay dark through May 30, 2021 | CNN
All ticket sales for Broadway performances in New York City will be suspended through May 30, 2021, the Broadway League announced on Friday.
Yet, states like Utah have been allowing live theater since July without issue.Again, there's currently no process for allowing live theater to operate legally in California.
Even if theme parks are eventually allowed to reopen, live theater is a separate industry that is not currently allowed. And it shows no current sign of being allowed by Sacramento.
Sure, in 2022 or 2023, it might be legally possible to recast and remount either show. But for now? It's illegal.
New York City's Broadway theater industry will be closed through at least May, 2021. Likely longer. California is of the same political mindset as New York and would be no different. Maybe check back in 2022?
Broadway will stay dark through May 30, 2021 | CNN
All ticket sales for Broadway performances in New York City will be suspended through May 30, 2021, the Broadway League announced on Friday.
This is why it is important that Newsom loses the lawsuit.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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That's because no one goes to theatres in Utah because no one lives in Utah because Utah sucks and is boring. I know, I have been there and never plan to go back.
Actually, the shows are constantly sold out, including venues of 5,000+ granted at reduced capacity (I believe 50% to 75%).
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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Lies.