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Frozen 2 Reactions: SPOILERS

The Empress Lilly

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Oh, aren't you on the warpath tonight! :p

I understand American racial sensitivities. In American movies you can't have an all-white cast anymore. It must be inclusive. The reason why Disney movies set in classic Europe feature a racially diverse cast - all-white is simply taboo, outdated.

But we are not Americans. We are Europeans. Lots of separate peoples with our own histories and languages. Just like Chinese, Maoris, Aztecs. None of these would be portrayed nowadays by a cast that resembles contemporary America rather than they themselves. That would be ridiculed as cultural insensitivity or even imperialism. But the European is denied this courtesy. We are overlooked to be indigenous peoples too. Why, it appeared earlier that when I spoke of misrepresented indigenous peoples you assumed I meant the Sami. Who actually did get the courtesy of accurate representation, for fear of cultural insensitivity. Which is precisely the issue. Why do some Norwegians get accurately portrayed, and their countrymen not? Because the latter resemble White Americans, and by extension a white culture must be presented as being diverse and inclusive. (Again, I shan't even touch upon the very problematic issue that apparently the Sami, closely related to the Finns, is 'orientalised' into an exotic other, a native, but his often barely distinguishable Nordic fellow countryman is considered a coloniser, a default culture, an American White by proxy whose culture must be rendered inclusive)

I'm used to American animosity when I raise this issue. An American asking for an all-white cast would face hostility, be ostracised. But they fail to understand that none of America's issues are my concern. I just want my people to be accurately portrayed. Or not. Which is perfectly fine too - an American movie can simply feature an American cast, that's in itself not at all offensive or cultural appropriation. Provided everybody is treated the same. A Black classic Norway army captain ceases to be a problem when Mulan features a Black classic Mongolia army captain. But that currently seems highly unlikely.


I did come here to discuss the new Frozen songs! 😄
 

gerarar

Premium Member
Saw the movie again last night at a theater in my college town, $5 Tuesdays! It was packed with college students and the general consensus (from what I heard) is that everyone loved it, even more than the first one. It doesn't help that Into The Unknown plays in the credits, followed by Lost in the Woods, which got everyone singing it on the way out.

Took a friend to see it for the first time and she agrees with all the above. She immediately bought the songs and played them on the way back in the car. Disney hit a home run with this one, even if may not look like one!

The one initial criticism I had is that they made Anna too worry some for Elsa, but I finally realized the elder troll told her to keep her sister in check. All made sense finally!
 
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Tony Perkis

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I kinda hated this movie. It included a nonsensical plot that had no idea where it wanted to go until halfway through and no songs that were particularly memorable.

I just don’t get this franchise.
 

Magenta Panther

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I kinda hated this movie. It included a nonsensical plot that had no idea where it wanted to go until halfway through and no songs that were particularly memorable.

I just don’t get this franchise.


I of course agree. I wanted a SNOW QUEEN movie, not a lame ripoff of Wicked. But that's all the writers of Frozen could do. They so lack actual imagination that they could only repeat themselves. Now, the original Frozen did strike a cord with people, and I respect its success - heck, I'm delighted by it, because it's an original Disney creation. (Not that it means much to the clods at TDO, who stuck a Frozen ride in an itty bitty dark ride in Epcot's Norway rather than build an actual Frozen land). But I thought it was meh as all get out, with the contrived "Gotcha!" twist at the end with Prince Hal the ultimate eye-roller. Oddly, I DO like the shorts that were derived from it, especially "Frozen Fever". But the films themselves are lame IMO. Glad we (more or less) agree.
 

Brer Panther

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I of course agree. I wanted a SNOW QUEEN movie, not a lame ripoff of Wicked. But that's all the writers of Frozen could do.
They basically just used the Snow Queen story to make a clone of Tangled. The first Frozen was only greenlit to cash-in on Tangled's success, hence why Anna, Kristoff and Sven are so similar to Rapunzel, Flynn, and Maximus. Throw in some elements of Wicked and the same smug "dur hurr, look at how clever we are" feel to it (with the whole "mocking the idea of marrying someone you just met" thing) that Ralph Breaks the Internet and Muppets Most Wanted have and you've got Frozen.
 

Tony Perkis

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I of course agree. I wanted a SNOW QUEEN movie, not a lame ripoff of Wicked. But that's all the writers of Frozen could do. They so lack actual imagination that they could only repeat themselves. Now, the original Frozen did strike a cord with people, and I respect its success - heck, I'm delighted by it, because it's an original Disney creation. (Not that it means much to the clods at TDO, who stuck a Frozen ride in an itty bitty dark ride in Epcot's Norway rather than build an actual Frozen land). But I thought it was meh as all get out, with the contrived "Gotcha!" twist at the end with Prince Hal the ultimate eye-roller. Oddly, I DO like the shorts that were derived from it, especially "Frozen Fever". But the films themselves are lame IMO. Glad we (more or less) agree.
My disdain for the film has nothing to do with its relation to Han Christian Anderson’s source material, as I’ve never read them (nor will).

Considering that the songwriter was (partially) responsible for Avenue Q, The Book of Mormon, and the musical episode of Scrubs, I think the musical is largely forgettable, and in the sequel’s case, sometimes unwatchable.
 

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