Finally! (Wrestling related)

[MerHearted]

This is gonna be about wrestling... so I'll give the non-fans a couple seconds to make their quick getaway.................. ok, now onto the topic.

Did you see that commitment ceremony angle yesterday? All I have to say is wow! For the first time since who knows when, we received one of those "Holy cow!" moments (well, besides Bischoff first appearing on Raw). The thing that made it so great was that it wasn't one of those "hotshot" angles meant merely to shock you and then have nothing to follow up with, which the WWE has done to death in the last year. This seemed like a well-planned angle that actually made sense. When they first announced the gay marriage thing last week, I was basically going "What the?" and assumed the WWE writers finally lost it and gave up on doing anything remotely entertaining. But what an angle! The angle was pure genius! Having Bischoff set up a plan to attack Stephanie from within using Rico was brilliant. The whole wedding thing was just a ploy to lure Stephanie out to be ambushed. Bischoff is simply an incredible on-air talent. So many things came out of this angle. The Island Boys became big time players. Billy & Chuck are no longer doing the gay gimmick and can move on to other things. Rico can now take on a more serious role. And most importantly, the Raw vs. Smackdown fued just went to the next level! With Raw talent laying waste to the Smackdown GM and the Smackdown locker room joining together to fight them off, the brand extension finally felt believable. I'm excited to see where this will go from here. How will the rest of the Raw roster take this? How will Stephanie react? How will Vince react?! Bischoff attacked his daughter, he definitely needs to say something. Will he removed Bischoff from power? Or will Bischoff screw him and finally resurrect WCW?

Or will the WWE creative team just screw up this chance like they've done so many times before....

 

[WDWspider]

When I finally started seeing RAW fans booing Smackdown and vice versa I knew that Vince has done it again. Everyone works for the same company only now you have two shows working indepedent of one another and deceptively against one another, it's pure genious. Yep, they played this one off big time, they had lots of people fooled.:lol:

It's what everyone always wanted in the past, only now they legally can make it happen.

 

[Legacy]

I haven't been following everything too closely with the WWE, but I saw that thing with Bischoff and Stephanie last night and I was shocked. Whoever wrote that sucker up should get promoted. I agree completely, that was pure genius. I'm loving how it's getting to the point where you are never really sure of anybody's motives. Who knows... we may see the Dudleys together again. The way things are going... anything is possible.

And hallaluia... no more gay angle.

 

[Bobster]

Raw vs. Smackdown?

I only hope they handle it better than WCW vs WWF!

I agree with everyone, last night's Smackdown was a great show. My wife was watching with me and right away noticed something was up with the Justice of Peace guy. But neither of us could have imagined it was Eric Bischoff under there! Excellent job by the creative team and ... make-up crew.

I wonder if Hulk is gone for good? Man, we gave him the biggest ovation ever at the Molson Centre on RAW in Montreal, the night after Wrestlemania. It literally brought tears to my eyes. Anyway, I just hope it doesn't end with Brock laying him out.

 

[MerHearted]

One word that can never be used in wrestling.. is well, "never". Bischoff appearing on Raw cemented that. So I think Hogan will be back in some time. Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if Austin returns.

 

[neilybealy]

i might start watching it again

i stopped when stephanie came back

it was all getting too much

 

[WDWspider]

Originally posted by MerHearted
One word that can never be used in wrestling.. is well, "never". Bischoff appearing on Raw cemented that. So I think Hogan will be back in some time. Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if Austin returns.

Well, the deal with Austin is that there really IS outside reasons that he isn't there, unlike these storylines that they usually make up for people on leave of absense.

 

[MerHearted]

I was saying that absolutely anything can happen in wrestling now. I mean if Vince brings in Eric Bischoff, there's really nothing else that can't happen. Bridges really can't be burnt in wrestling. And if they are, as Lance Storm once said "They'll just send out a boat for you". So I can see Austin coming back. I could even see Bret Hart coming back.. if he wasn't partially paralyzed. So Hogan might have had a difference in opinions with Vince, but that shouldn't keep him away forever.

 

[MajinBuu]

Bret Hart back in WWF... er WWE??? That won't happen any time soon. Bret HATES Vince with a passion!!! And it is NOT an angle either, he REALLY hates Vince!!!

 

[MerHearted]

Originally posted by MajinBuu
Bret Hart back in WWF... er WWE??? That won't happen any time soon. Bret HATES Vince with a passion!!! And it is NOT an angle either, he REALLY hates Vince!!!

True. It won't happen anytime soon. But that doesn't mean it can't happen. If Vince McMahon can hire and hug the man who tried to put him out of business, anything can happen. Besides his recent stroke, the only thing keeping Bret away from a reunion with the WWE is Bret's stubborness. WWE, including Vince, does want Bret to come back. Bret is bitter at Vince, but Vince still has a great amount of respect for Bret Hart. There have several times that the WWF/E tried to get Bret Hart back since SS '97. In the spring of '99, Bret was ready to forgive and forget as he was upset with his role in WCW. He did express interest in returning to the WWF. And the WWF was ready to take him back. Bret had signed a 2 year deal with WCW, with the option for a 3rd year. The 2nd year of his contract was half over and it was highly rumored that he would not take the 3rd year and return to the WWF. But unfortunately, Owen Hart was killed that spring. The incident enraged Bret even further and squashed any hope of Bret's WWF return. Vince traveled to Calgary to meet with Bret, but the furious Hart refused any offer and stayed with WCW, where his career would end at the end of that year. But that wasn't the last of the WWF/E's attempts to bring Bret back. Just this year, Bret was invited to appear at Wrestlemania X8. Vince offered him access to his video library, basically his whole wrestling career. Bret himself said that he would love to get his hands on his footage and fantasized about a return to the WWE stage, but he had been so outspoken against the company, he felt he would have been a hypocrite if he took the offer. But the Bret-WWE relationship continues to heal. When Bret suffered his stroke, WWE expressed sincere concern. Jim Ross wished him speedy recover, recalled his contributions to the company, and specifically said that he hoped to mend their relationship. Vince McMahon himself called Bret in the hospital to express his concern and wished him good health. So a Hitman return would not be out of the question. Vince is and has been ready to bury the hatchet. Maybe Bret's rehabilitation will give him time to think, realize that his bitterness is helping nothing, and finally do what's right for his fans. Although he can never wrestle again, it's time for the Hitman to come home.

 

[tiggerlover1971]

Originally posted by MajinBuu
Bret Hart back in WWF... er WWE??? That won't happen any time soon. Bret HATES Vince with a passion!!! And it is NOT an angle either, he REALLY hates Vince!!!

The reason brett hart will never come back the reason he hates vince is probably because he thinks vince killed his brother Owen

 

[MerHearted]

You know what's sad?

I just checked wwe.com. Unforgiven is one week away and there are only two official matches on the card. Brock vs UT and HHH vs RVD. I remember Angle vs Benoit was signed too. A week away and that's it?!

I really hope they go the whole way with the split and actually make the two shows completely separate promotions. Then split the number of ppvs, cause there are simply too many. That way, each promotion has only 6 ppvs a year. The ppvs would alternate each month, thus, WWE would still get 12 ppvs a year, but each show would get 2 months of buildup for ppvs. Of course, that would bring up the issue of have less talent. People keep talking about there not being enough wrestlers on the shows now. There is a very simple solution to that. Use the wrestlers on Heat and Velocity! Why on earth are these guys on shows no one watches when there's a talent deficit on the real shows? Why aren't guys like Raven, Credible, and such on Raw? They're right there, use them! Why aren't guys like Awesome, Buchanan, O'Haire, and all on Smackdown? There is no point to Heat and Velocity, cancel them and put those guys on the real shows. That will take are of the talent problem! That was my plan a couple months ago, now a lot of people are joining in on this format. I hope WWE does something like it. 1 week away and you have 3 matches?! Yikes!

 

[Bobster]

Originally posted by MerHearted
I really hope they go the whole way with the split and actually make the two shows completely separate promotions. Then split the number of ppvs, cause there are simply too many. That way, each promotion has only 6 ppvs a year. The ppvs would alternate each month, thus, WWE would still get 12 ppvs a year, but each show would get 2 months of buildup for ppvs.

Actually, the word seems to be that they want to try making the two groups separate, each with their own ... 12 PPV's!!! (24 total).

 

[MerHearted]

Originally posted by Bobster

Actually, the word seems to be that they want to try making the two groups separate, each with their own ... 12 PPV's!!! (24 total).

If they are even thinking that, who wants to join an angry mob to Stamford, CT? Bring clubs. :brick:

 

[dizneyfreak]

Well there are 2 rumored matches:

Jamal and Rosie vs. Billy and Chuck (The reason why the 3 minute angle has gone on as long as it has is because one of the Island Boys are injured)

Booker T, Goldust, and Kane vs. The UnAmericans

 

[WDWspider]

Originally posted by MerHearted
I was saying that absolutely anything can happen in wrestling now. I mean if Vince brings in Eric Bischoff, there's really nothing else that can't happen. Bridges really can't be burnt in wrestling. And if they are, as Lance Storm once said "They'll just send out a boat for you". So I can see Austin coming back. I could even see Bret Hart coming back.. if he wasn't partially paralyzed. So Hogan might have had a difference in opinions with Vince, but that shouldn't keep him away forever.

I think the difference here is that you are mixing fantasy with reality. WCW and WWE are fantasy, that's why Bischoff is in WWE now, it's good tv. Hart believes that his brother Owen was killed for staying in WWE, he will never come back, that's reality. Austin is facing criminal charges, that's reality... he may come back if all is cleared up, but it won't happen soon. Don't mix storyline with truth, and yes... it is easy to do in Wrestling news, right down to the fake wedding of HHH and Stephanie. It's like the boy who cried wolf, after so many times it is hard to tell the truth from fiction, but... the truth is out there. Plus, depending on how die hard of a fan you are, there were many indications tht Bischoff would be in WWE a few months before he came. I wouldn't even put it past Vince to have had him working for him all along in the later days of WCW, I believe WWE actually owned the compnay well before they went off air. Now Goldberg showing up someday is a totally different matter, maybe even Jeff Jerrett, but I think Vince has issues with him personally.

 

[Fievel]

Goldberg is in negotiations with the WWE presently. Expect to see him within the next year.

Jeff Jarrett started the new wrestling organization (forget the initials), so don't expect to see him back.

I think that the WWE has moved past Austin, and if he comes back he'll never be what he was.

 

[Legacy]

Goldberg's in negotiations with WWE?!?! Fievel, could you tell me where you got this information because I was saying when he was WCW that I felt he would be better suited for Vince. Oh my gosh, can you picture him and Lesner FIGHTING!?!?!..... or better yet... A TEAM?!?!?

 

[MerHearted]

Originally posted by spider-man


I think the difference here is that you are mixing fantasy with reality. WCW and WWE are fantasy, that's why Bischoff is in WWE now, it's good tv. Hart believes that his brother Owen was killed for staying in WWE, he will never come back, that's reality. Austin is facing criminal charges, that's reality... he may come back if all is cleared up, but it won't happen soon. Don't mix storyline with truth, and yes... it is easy to do in Wrestling news, right down to the fake wedding of HHH and Stephanie. It's like the boy who cried wolf, after so many times it is hard to tell the truth from fiction, but... the truth is out there. Plus, depending on how die hard of a fan you are, there were many indications tht Bischoff would be in WWE a few months before he came. I wouldn't even put it past Vince to have had him working for him all along in the later days of WCW, I believe WWE actually owned the compnay well before they went off air. Now Goldberg showing up someday is a totally different matter, maybe even Jeff Jerrett, but I think Vince has issues with him personally.

I'm not confusing reality with fantasy! I was saying that if Eric Bischoff can appear on WWE television, there isn't much else that couldn't happen in wrestling. WCW and the WWF were not fantasy. They may just be names own by WWE, Inc today. But up to a few years ago, the battle between WCW and the WWF was very real. The real battle between WCW and WWF was what made the storylines of each show so entertaining. The competition between WCW and WWF brought the industry its greatest years. But like the saying goes, competition may bring out the best in product, but it also brings out the worst in men. Eric Bischoff and Vince McMahon hated each other... in reality!!! Bischoff took it upon himself to make WCW no. 1 and take out the WWF. Bischoff created Nitro to go head-to-head with Raw. He took away the majority of the WWF's stars. He even gave away the results of Raw on his show. He created a new, hugely successful product and put McMahon's company to the point of nearly going out of business. McMahon fought back with a new style and created new stars. And the bitter war between the two companies grew on, taking each other's talent, doing whatever they could to put the other down. Eric Bischoff was the man who made Vince McMahon hit rock bottom in 96 and 97.

Eric Bischoff agreeing to work with Vince McMahon is the equivalent of George W. Bush shaking the hand of Saddam or Eisner and Katzenberg working together again. It is simply a hell freezing over moment. There is nothing fantasy about that. The impossible happened... and now that it did, I'm saying there's nothing else that can surprise me. Anything can happen now.

Bret Hart does not think Owen was killed for staying in the WWF. Trust me, I've followed Bret Hart for nearly his whole career, I idolized the guy. Bret Hart hates Vince McMahon for screwing him at Survivor Series 1997. That incident left him bitter for life. Ever since then, he's tried to blame everything on Vince McMahon, from the current state of wrestling to the breakdown with his marriage and family. He doesn't think Vince McMahon killed Owen Hart. He's just angry that Owen was put in the situation where he needlessly had to perform a stupid stunt and he was angry about how the WWF treated his death. But he didn't have a problem with Owen staying in the WWF. He couldn't leave with Bret, he had a contract. Bret tried to get him out of it, but couldn't. So what was Owen gonna do, he had to support his family. Bret Hart is extremely bitter towards Vince McMahon, but it doesn't mean he can't return. Like I said, if Eric Bischoff and Vince McMahon can work things out, there's no reason Bret and Vince can't. And I listed several times they have tried to make up. So there is always the chance.

Austin isn't out of WWE because he faces criminal charges. There are plenty of wreslters who face criminal charges. He's out because he simply left. He walked out... twice. He was upset with storyline issues and the role of his character, so he got up and left. Vince McMahon got angry when he did it the 2nd time and is not letting him back in. So all that has to be done is for Austin and Vince to meet and work out their problems. If that happens, Austin will very likely be back.

Hulk Hogan is gone because of money issues. He wanted pay-per view pay for doing the tour of Australia but Vince said they were only house shows and refused. This upset Vince so he's decided to keep Hogan off of television for a while.

The WWF did not own WCW until a week before its last show. WWF had made inquiries into buying it a few months before but backed out. Then Eric Bischoff with the Fusient company reached a deal to buy WCW. But then Time Warner decided to not give WCW television slots on TNT and TBS. Without a network deal, Fusient pulled out of the deal and Time Warner became even more eager to get rid of WCW. The WWF stepped in and took it. It was almost Vince McMahon's last laugh at Eric Bischoff.

It is true that WWE tried to reach Bischoff last year in hopes of getting him to be a part of the "Invasion" angle. But nothing could be reached.

It's very likely that Goldberg will work for WWE. Goldberg's willing to do it, but for a price. He thinks pretty highly of himself and is asking for a very high price. For now, WWE refuses to pay it.

Jeff Jarrett, though a long shot, could come back. Its probably as likely as Bret Hart coming back. But again, Bischoff is here. So it can happen. If Vince thinks he needs Jarrett, he'll go after him. Jim Ross, the main reason Jarrett left, said he was willing to work out any differences with Jarrett, and all he had to do was just give JR a call. Vince is also mad over the way Jarrett left. Though he agreed to fight his last match, it was only after the WWF agreed to pay him a ton of money for that one match. Vince may still hold a grudge over that. And Jarrett is working in his father's NWA: TNA. But if that fed's not successful and goes down, he'll be free to move onto other things.

Sorry if I sound angry, but to accuse me of not knowing reality from fantasy is a slap to the face. I've followed wrestling since I first learned my abc's. I know very well what goes on in the wrestling industry. So I was kind of offended by that. Sorry if I seem upset.

 

[WDWspider]

I still stand by my post and from reading your rebuttal I still feel that you are mixing the two, it is a fine line. I never said anything couldn't happen, but some things are a lot more likely than others due to real circumstances. The Austin deal is very serious right now and for the most part they keep it very low key as to what is really happening to anyone in life.

Now to say that Wrestling isn't fantasy is silly.

Vince had more real issues with Ted Turner than anyone.

You are preaching to the choir on these points, I have followed Wrestling for about 10 years close and 20 years lightly. The Brett/Owen issue is definelty a factor, I never said it was the only factor. Why wouldn't Vince hire Bischoff? Vince is intelligent, he knows that Controversy makes Ratings.

I don't want to start any arguments, I thought this would be a place to share views on WWE, rather than make waves. I like what is going on and has been going on for the past 5 years or so. Anyone can change their minds about anything as long as the circumstances are good. My prior post was to say just don't be too blinded by what they tell you as opposed to what is happening. Just because we think WCW was seperate in the laast year, doesn't necessarily mean it was, I have a hunch I know when they were purchased, but I don't want to get into it if you are not willing to be more open minded about some issues.

Hey, Like I said I don't want to start any arguments, especially on these issues, so if you don't like what I'm saying, just remember, it's just my opinion and I mean no harm, just trying to point out what I see in Wrestling today. Whether it is right or wrong.