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Fastpass- yes or no?

Blake

New Member
Original Poster
I know this comes up quite a bit, but i still wanted to make a thread on it.

Personally, i hate Fastpass. To me it has ruined alot of the themeing, and fun out of rides, and has made waits even longer. For example, Splash Mountain used to have swiftly moving lines. While you enjoyed the different props in the queue (such as the themeing, etc.) you would be constantly moving and get on the ride. The average wait on a moderate day was usually around 35 minutes to 55 minutes-managable- and it felt like less considereing you were always moving. Nowadays, the Splash queue moves as slower than a snail. The theming in one part of the queue gets old after 30 minutes as you inch along. Meanwhile, right next to you, hundreds upon hundreds of Fastpass guests simply walk up, give you a smirk and keep walking. By the time you're at the front, you're not enjoying yourself at all. Not only that, but you waited 75-90 minutes on a moderate day, and were not moving most of the time making the wait seem even longer. However, those people in the Fastpass return who thought they were so good pay for it immediately after as they wait for 60 minutes for BTMRR instead of 30 because they choose to Fastpass Splash. So, essentially, the ammount of time you will be waiting is the same in both cases. (Old: you wait 30 for BTMRR and 30 for Splash...total wait:60 minutes)(new: you wait 10 for Splash and 60 for BTMRR...total wait: 60 minutes) virtually the same. The difference however is that without it, you're constantly moving in well themed queues enjoying yourself, while with it you're sitting there moving inch by inch watching fastpass people go by.

Bottom line: in the "olden days " or the days before Fastpass- you went to a ride, got in line and road. You would come back during parades or late at night and ride with no wait. Or you would get there early. You would also sink up the atmosphere in the queue and enjoy teh queue as it moved swiftly towards to loading area.

Today: Talk about hectic. Running around the park getting Fastpass for this, going to return tine for that, its crazy. Then you stand in a line that doesn't move for 2 hours while you watch person after person go by. While they think they're pretty slick to have their Fastpasses and all- they'll soon be waiting in line at the next ride they go to too.

Example: Lets say the line at Peter Pan and Pooh is 30 minutes (No Fastpass at either). You get a Fastpass for Pooh (Fastpass is suddenly created- wait times are now 60 minutes). You go over to Peter Pan while you wait. You wait 60 minutes, and then go to Pooh for your Fastpass return and wait 5-10 minutes. TOTAL WAITING TIME: 60-70 minutes. (Fastpass is not around) You go and wait 30 minutes for Pooh, and then hop over to Pan and wait 30 minutes. TOTAL WAITING TIME: 60 minutes. So, in a nutshell, the amount of time you save with the fastpass, you make up for by waiting longer in stand-by (which everyone will have to do)

Example number two: A family from the midwest comes to a vacation in WDW. They visit the Magic Kingdom on a very crowded day. Its packed, absolutely packed. Here is there day with Fastpass: They enter the park. They're lucky to go straight to Splash Mountain and find the wait is already 75 minutes. They pick up Fastpasses (alreayd for 11-12) After that, they must wait two hours before picking up there next Fastpass. SO they go to Fantasyland- all lines are 75 minutes long but they have no choice. So they wait the long, miserable 75 minutes for Peter Pan and Pooh. By this time, its time to get another Fastpass, so they run over to Space Mountain where they're handing out Fastpasses for between 4-5 PM) After this they run back to their Splash return time. (talk about running around the park) and they do it. Now they still have over an hour and a half to kill. So they go over to Tomorrowland where most waits are well over 90 minutes. Space is at 150 (no point trying there). After two hours have passed, they go to get more Fastpasses but most rides have exausted their Fastpasses for the day so their pretty much dne in terms of Fastpassing attractions. So they wait after wait after wait on attraction and another one for the long, slow, standy-by waits. Finally its time for their Space return time. After that, its getting late- maybe Big THudner has a lower stand-by. HAHA! no! 100 minutes. Because hundreds of fastpass guests are coming and coming. Infact, the liens will never get shorter because of Fastpass. They will have to stand in these miserable long, slow stand-by lines all night.

Day without Fastpass

Yes, its packed. They run to Splash- wait the 35 minutes posted (shorter because no Fastpass) and then run next door to BTMRR and wait 70. They then run to teh Haunted Mansion, and wait 30 minutes (60 w/ Fastpass). After that they cruise into Fantasyland and wait about 30-45 mintues for each attraction. Then into Tomorrowland where Buzz is only at 45 and Space at 60 (120 with Fastpass). At the end of the day, they cruise back through Fantasyland and go on their favorite rides again because the park is emptying out and theres little lines. And one last time on Splash Mountain! Yes, they waited for 60 minutes or so on attractions, but they stood in constant moving lines. (Lines seem shorter when they're moving not standing still). They enjoy teh swiftly moving lines, and enjoy the exibits in Space Mountain queue as they swiftly go through. They get more and mroe into the Splash Mountain mood as they go through the line. All in all, a good day.

The fact is- its simple to go to a theme park and get into a line and ride. Its confusing and tiring running around the park doing this and that trying this and that.

So, in conclusion, i think Disney was great in trying out the system. But it really hasnt worked out the way it was planned and i think it should be scrapped. It worked without for 45 years and those were the years of biggest attendance. At a day of big attendance today, the waits for Splash are going to be 200 minutes but since its so crowded, people will only be able to get maybe one or two Fastpasses per day and end up waiting.

So scrap Fastpass,

Do you agree? and do you think they will scrap it?
 

Djali999

Active Member
I hate FastPass. it makes the quere for each attraction unbearable. but of course now they're not gonna get rid of it because it's a big marketing draw.

my recommendation: remove the Fast Pass option for people who are not staying on property with multi-day passes or an annual pass. this will lop off 40% of the FastPass congestion.

this may turn into a PR poblem for a few months, but I think it will also make people reconsider staying off property, something Disey badly needs to do.
 

Blake

New Member
Original Poster
I don't think taking Fastpass away is going to stop people from coming to WDW. Last visit, i waited 150 minutes for Splash. It wasn't even very busy at the park. That is unacceptable.
 

bigbadwolf

New Member
Fast pass isnt too bad.
I say pay a fee to use it.
Like, before entering the gate.
You can buy a card for so many people.
Then get the tickets that way.
Hershey Park has something like that.
 

BwanaBob

Well-Known Member
Please don't take this wrong, but...
Find something else to do!

EAT.
Catch a show.
Go on rides that don't use FP like some of the classics! (CoP, PoC, AO, TK, SW, pick 'em!)

This way, everything is moderately timed, your not doing the ole' "hurry up and wait" routine.

Your day is much more enjoyable, and might I add more well rounded in true Disney fashion, when you're not bouncing around to each E-ticket attraction.

(just a suggestion)
 

Blake

New Member
Original Poster
Its even harder to eat etc. with Fastpass because you're controlled so much by time. You have to be here at this time, there at that time. You end up running around from e-ticket to e-ticket from Tomorrowland to Splash and from Frontierland to Space using Fastpassreturn for this and that.
 

BwanaBob

Well-Known Member
Dude!...

I can't tell you how many passes expired for me during just HALF of my visits!

I'm sorry if I sound crass to anyone. I should just shut-up now!

I'm a local, therefore I get a chance to hit the parks a minimum of 3-4 times a month, if not more. I'm not in a rush anymore. Plus, we all know the secrets, right? There's time to be saved.

I like the system. Too bad I didn't think of it myself!!!

$$$!
 

Blake

New Member
Original Poster
Actually, many locals "dislike" the system because they may go for an evening or so (just for a few hours). In pre-Fastpass, the waits would be very low, but now remain high until closing due to the system. And i still don't see how it saves you time. The time you gain using Fastpass you loose waiting longer in stand-by
 

cymbaldiva

Active Member
I'm not a fan of Fastpass...

It's too much like a schedule - I hate schedules. If I wanted to follow one, I could just stay out here in the real world.
 

Blake

New Member
Original Poster
Exactily! You're on vacation! You're not supposed to have to run around the park. Splash Mountain 2:30-3:30, Space Mountain 2:50-3:50.
 

BwanaBob

Well-Known Member
Not everybody runs around hitting just the "heavy-hitters" in the parks when they go.

And amongst us locals, I DO go just for the evening. I just don't expect to ride SM 6 times in the middle of Spring Break in the same day!
 

BwanaBob

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Blake
Actually, many locals "dislike" the system because they may go for an evening or so (just for a few hours). In pre-Fastpass, the waits would be very low, but now remain high until closing due to the system. And i still don't see how it saves you time. The time you gain using Fastpass you loose waiting longer in stand-by

Use the program effectively, you get a chance to do what you want. The key is not to FP rides clear across the park from each other.
 
Hmm...something to ponder on...

You guys have really given me something to ponder on. After read these posts, I sat back and thought for a little while. When my wife and I went to Disney World, we used FP for every possible thing that we possibly could use it for. Which means, we spent a lot of time "clock watching" because we wanted to make sure we didn't let our FP expire on us. By doing that, we really didn't take in all the "sights and sounds" that Disney has to offer. We really didn't take the time to explore all the little nooks and crannys that are located all throughout Disney.

Yet, we were there for a week, and that just wasn't enough time to take it all in. I am afraid that if we don't use the FP system, we really won't get to see a lot of Disney. I mean, those lines can be death defyingly long (and we are not ones to just stand in a line for extremely long periods of time...theme or no theme).

I don't know...this seems like one of those "damned if you do, and damned if you don't" situations! Any suggestions on how to really maximize your experience at Disney, and not spend 70% of your time there standing in long lines.

Oh yeah, it should be noted that while we were there (June 2003), we never really stood in any line for more than 30 minutes. At the time we were there, the parks were pretty packed as well. I think the reasoning behind that was some pretty nice FP management techniques (again...we missed out on a lot of the Disney 'Magic' though).....
 

cymbaldiva

Active Member
Originally posted by BwanaBob
Use the program effectively, you get a chance to do what you want. The key is not to FP rides clear across the park from each other.

Still sounds like entirely too much planning to me!

When I'm on vacation I prefer not to follow a timetable - that's just me though.
 

Blake

New Member
Original Poster
And don't forget everything you miss just running through those queues! I feel sorry for Indy at DL. Such an elaborately designed queue and what happened- completely wasted.

Fact is: Without Fastpass, everyones happy, with Fastpass, you're only happy HALF of the time. Las vacation, i was constantly checking my watch and thinking "hm...do i have enough time to do this, or do that...maybe i should just eat, but i still have an hour- i probably have enough time...but what if it breaks down..?"
 

DisneyFan 2000

Well-Known Member
I like Fast Pass... Whoever doesn't like the long lines it creates, go get one! If you don't want the theming ruined stay in line! That's how I do it!:animwink:
 

bdalton

New Member
fast pass

fast pass is great.....i never want to go back to the prehistoric days of waiting an hour in line for anything.........most lines are shorter with fast pass cuz the pass holders are off doing something else reducing the amount of stand bys
 

barnum42

New Member
I like Fast Pass. I don’t need to be a great timekeeper to work around the one-hour window that it gives. There are plenty of other things I can enjoy at leisure before the Fast Pass becomes active. Also as soon as it is active you can get another Fast Pass for a different attraction before riding the first one.

I can’t comment on how well it works in the manically busy periods, as I have never visited at those times. As far as the suggestion to charge for Fast Pass - this bad idea has cropped up on the boards before. It’s the sort of two-tier system that Eisner would like, but the rest of us hate.
 

RalphieN

Member
I love FastPass. There is nothing worse than standing in 45-1hour line after line after line with kids who are getting bored. With FastPass, you get you ticket and go sit down with an ice cream cone or walk through the Treehouse or just sit and take a break or let the kids run around on Tom Sawyer's Island. The options are unlimited.

I know what people are saying about the longer lines for people not using FastPass but on a crowded day, lines are long regardless. You have to either make up your mind to stand in lines or skip attractions. At least with FastPass, if there is something you "have" to see, it can be done without standing around for an hour.

I guess FastPass doesn't really help people who try to go from attraction to attraction, etc. and try hit it all everytime but for us, we take our time, get FastPass when we don't want to wait and wait when it doesn't bother us to. We take our time and try not to rush to anything. In the past, I've tried to get the "most" out of my vacation everyday and had a pretty good time but during the last couple of trips, we've taken our time and didn't rush to anything and had GREAT times.
 

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