Fantasmic pyro cuts?

[mm52200]

I saw Fantasmic this past Saturday and noticed some cut pyro. The cannon blast and the bonfire from the Pocahontas scene were missing and the pyro blast after the villians are defeated was absent too. Are these cuts permanent? I really don't think cutting those three elements would save that much money and really take a lot away from the Pocahontas scene especially.

 

[ChristianG]

I saw Fantasmic this past Saturday and noticed some cut pyro. The cannon blast and the bonfire from the Pocahontas scene were missing and the pyro blast after the villians are defeated was absent too. Are these cuts permanent? I really don't think cutting those three elements would save that much money and really take a lot away from the Pocahontas scene especially.

I'm sure the Pocahontas cuts were just a mess up. I don't think they would take out the bonfire and especially the cannon effects.

And the pyro after the villains scene has been like that for a few months now... I'm guessing thats permanent.. unless they are trying to replace it with a new effect. But I'm pretty sure it was just a cut.

 

[Captain Hank]

A tech is constantly monitoring the stage at Fantasmic and can disable (or, actually, fail to enable) any individual pyro effect if conditions are not right on stage. These could include props, performers or techs being too close to the pyro too close to its firing time.

 

[mm52200]

Ok thanks because it looked very silly when the lights came up on the indian fire and they were just dancing around with no fire or anything haha. In regards to the pyro after the villian scene, does anyone know why it was cut? It would seem that if you were making cuts to save money, they'd make more than just that pyro blast there.

 

[lightboy]

Nothing is permanently cut...but there are some pieces missing for the time being...

 

[mm52200]

Do you know why they are missing right now? Also do you know how likely it is that F! will stay nightly pass September 30? I know there had been rumors that it was going to stay nightly through the end of the year but I haven't heard to much about that in awhile.

 

[lightboy]

While still no one knows whether Fantasmic! will stay nightly...I think the chances are high... They left it two nights a week long enough for people to forget who made that awful screwup in the first place.

Only one shot is missing at the moment, and it's quite possible that there is a product change going on...

The shooter does have the capability to take out a variety of shots live if firing conditions aren't met. Usually done if performers/technicians aren't where they should be, for whatever reason. Occasionally product doesn't fire as well...

 

[KevinYee]

I saw the same cuts (plus a few more) on the Friday night show.

 

[Wannabe Walt]

I saw the same cuts (plus a few more) on the Friday night show.

I also attended both shows on Friday night. The 9:00 show was rained out so they did the short alternate instead. It seemed normal, but there were no video projections. Sometimes they use them, sometimes they don't.

The 10:30 show was missing quite a bit though. I was with a friend who had never seen it, so I told her to make sure and come back because it was lacking. No pyro from Mickey's fingers in the beginning, no cannon, torches on canoes failed (like usual), snake didn't move (usual in rain), and some of the pyro at the end didn't work quite right (spinners didn't spin).

Fantasmic is supposed to be going down for refurb at the beginning of the year, right? I dearly hope that it gets some good updates!

 

[mm52200]

Well when I saw it Mickey's fingers worked, the canoe torches worked, and the spinners worked too. Just the cannon blast, the bonfire, and the villians pyro blast. You know it's odd Fantasmic has never really had this many problem with missing elements that I know of until this summer. Anyone know why the sudden problem?

 

[boufa]

Well when I saw it Mickey's fingers worked, the canoe torches worked, and the spinners worked too. Just the cannon blast, the bonfire, and the villians pyro blast. You know it's odd Fantasmic has never really had this many problem with missing elements that I know of until this summer. Anyone know why the sudden problem?

Its already scheduled for refurb early next year. It is possible that only a hardcore fan who has memorized the show would notice a relatively small missing effect. I personally don't want then wasting money fixing small stuff just before it goes down for refurb.

 

[COProgressFan]

Its already scheduled for refurb early next year. It is possible that only a hardcore fan who has memorized the show would notice a relatively small missing effect. I personally don't want then wasting money fixing small stuff just before it goes down for refurb.

Wow...spending money on keeping things fresh and show-ready ALL THE TIME is a principle upon which the Disney parks were founded. To suggest that it's ok to let things slide, since a refurb should fix them 5 months from now is crazy.

What about the hundreds of thousands of guests who will see Fantasmic between now and January? Don't they deserve to see a show with effects and pyro working? Or will they think its ok that they paid $85 to enter the park with broken effects in a deteriorating headliner show because its getting rehabbed in Jan?

 

[lightboy]

I also attended both shows on Friday night. The 9:00 show was rained out so they did the short alternate instead. It seemed normal, but there were no video projections. Sometimes they use them, sometimes they don't.

The 10:30 show was missing quite a bit though. I was with a friend who had never seen it, so I told her to make sure and come back because it was lacking. No pyro from Mickey's fingers in the beginning, no cannon, torches on canoes failed (like usual), snake didn't move (usual in rain), and some of the pyro at the end didn't work quite right (spinners didn't spin).

Fantasmic is supposed to be going down for refurb at the beginning of the year, right? I dearly hope that it gets some good updates!

The projection is never used for the rain show.

 

[lightboy]

Again...

Only one shot is currently missing in Fantasmic! And that's the shot after killing the evil.

Anything else that is seen cut, is cut on a per show basis due to malfunction or a performer issue...

Canoe torches are not considered pyro...yet are consider a special effect. And will probably never work.

 

[boufa]

Wow...spending money on keeping things fresh and show-ready ALL THE TIME is a principle upon which the Disney parks were founded. To suggest that it's ok to let things slide, since a refurb should fix them 5 months from now is crazy.

What about the hundreds of thousands of guests who will see Fantasmic between now and January? Don't they deserve to see a show with effects and pyro working? Or will they think its ok that they paid $85 to enter the park with broken effects in a deteriorating headliner show because its getting rehabbed in Jan?

Lets make park tickets $95 per day so that some rabid .0005% of the fans who have taken the time to memorize the entire show and pick out something so small and insignificant that the other 99.0005% of the paying guests would never know was wrong.

Don't confuse good show (Disney's theoretical goal) with perfect show.

I am all for the complaints of wide spread burned out lights. I agree that tarps on some of the rides is tacky. But there is a level that you have to give them a break. It is a functioning theme park that does 15 million visitors a year (MK, not sure about DHS) They have real world issues to contend with. They have money decisions that have to be made every day. I know people hate to hear about money, but it is the truth, ALWAYS has been and ALWAYS will be. I would love steak every night, but I just cannot pull it off.

This does not excuse them from making the best use of their money, and I think in many places that they have made some mistakes, maybe even big mistakes...stitch... but that is reality.

WDW was opened for 1 reason, and only 1 reason... and it was not to "bring the magic to more people" IT WAS A PROFIT MACHINE! If someone had sat Walt down (Roy most likely) and told him, "it would never work, you could not make any money building WDW", guess what.... it would never have been built.

 

[space42]

WDW was opened for 1 reason, and only 1 reason... and it was not to "bring the magic to more people" IT WAS A PROFIT MACHINE! If someone had sat Walt down (Roy most likely) and told him, "it would never work, you could not make any money building WDW", guess what.... it would never have been built.

"Disneyland is a work of love. We didn't go into Disneyland just with the idea of making money" - Walt Disney

"Everybody thinks that Disneyland is a gold mine - but we have had our problems. You've got to work it and know how to handle it. Even trying to keep that park clean is a tremendous expense. And those sharp-pencil guys tell you, 'Walt, if we cut down on maintenance we'd save a lot of money.' But I don't believe in that -- it's like any other show on the road; it must be kept clean and fresh" - Walt Disney

"I could never convince the financiers that Disneyland was feasible, because dreams offer too little collateral" - Walt Disney

 

[COProgressFan]

Lets make park tickets $95 per day so that some rabid .0005% of the fans who have taken the time to memorize the entire show and pick out something so small and insignificant that the other 99.0005% of the paying guests would never know was wrong.

Don't confuse good show (Disney's theoretical goal) with perfect show.

I am all for the complaints of wide spread burned out lights. I agree that tarps on some of the rides is tacky. But there is a level that you have to give them a break. It is a functioning theme park that does 15 million visitors a year (MK, not sure about DHS) They have real world issues to contend with. They have money decisions that have to be made every day. I know people hate to hear about money, but it is the truth, ALWAYS has been and ALWAYS will be. I would love steak every night, but I just cannot pull it off.

This does not excuse them from making the best use of their money, and I think in many places that they have made some mistakes, maybe even big mistakes...stitch... but that is reality.

WDW was opened for 1 reason, and only 1 reason... and it was not to "bring the magic to more people" IT WAS A PROFIT MACHINE! If someone had sat Walt down (Roy most likely) and told him, "it would never work, you could not make any money building WDW", guess what.... it would never have been built.

I too, have no issues with effects that occasionally break down or bulbs that burn out. These things will happen no matter how many resources you put into maintenance, etc.

In the case of Fantasmic, are the problems one time issues that will be quickly fixed quickly, or are they ongoing issues that are not being addressed? This is not the first time we have heard about Fantasmic show quality issues on the boards, so it seems to me that some of these issues are ongoing.

A refurb will help, but the problem with WDW management is that they let things slip so far, for many months or even years, before they make the necessary repairs. In the meantime, show quality suffers.

We all know that WDW is a for profit operation, but the way they tried to make a profit for the first 25 or 30 years is vastly different from how they try to maximize profits at year 40.

 

[Jakester]

the spinning pyro on the boat in the end hasnt been that way in a while.

 

[mastromjm]

I believe there was an accident with the spinning pyro on Mickey's steamboat at the end, and it was changed to a waterfall effect three-four years ago. Everything else is new to me.

 

[lightboy]

I believe there was an accident with the spinning pyro on Mickey's steamboat at the end, and it was changed to a waterfall effect three-four years ago. Everything else is new to me.

There was no real accident. I believe that was an inconsistency in the quality of the effect of the product...if I remember correctly.