Dreamworks and Disney in November

FutureCEO

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Disney Baits DreamWorks

by Lia Haberman
Jun 5, 2003, 2:30 PM PT

The Mouse has some major cojones.

Bucking convention, Disney has slapped a November 5, 2004, release date on Pixar's The Incredibles--the same date previously picked by DreamWorks to release its animated feature Sharkslayer.

And the calendar conflict is causing major problems for DreamWorks execs, who must time merchandising and licensing deals to the movie's release date.

Now, despite having claimed the date last December, they're reportedly fishing for another weekend to launch the CG franchise, which has been described as an underwater mob movie featuring the voices of Will Smith, Robert De Niro, Martin Scorsese, René Zellweger and Angelina, among others.

But it won't be easy.

The Friday before Thanksgiving is already tied up by another family friendly twofer, Warner Bros.' CG release Polar Express, which reteams longtime collaborators Tom Hanks and Robert Zemeckis, and a big-screen adaptation of TV's SpongeBob SquarePants from Paramount.

Early November has been good to Disney and partner Pixar since the release of Monsters, Inc. two years ago. Ironically, Disney was forced to juggle its November 2001 schedule to avoid going up against Warners' Thanksgiving release Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone.

That proven track record might explain the Mouse House's confidence. The company wasn't talking about its scheduling standoff except for a brief comment in Thursday's Variety.

"It looks like the moviegoing public will have lots to choose from on November 5, 2004," said a spokesperson.

Along with Disney's The Incredibles, about a family of superheroes trying to live quietly in the suburbs, and the soon-to-be-gone Sharkslayer, the weekend was already tapped by 20th Century Fox for their release Fantastic Four, about a family of superheroes trying to deal with evil plots and the pressures of fame.

Smells fishy.

According to the trade, there are a couple of factors at work over the dueling date and they've got nothing to do with pleasing the moviegoing public.

First, the well known rivalry between Disney CEO Michael Eisner and DreamWorks principal Jeffrey Katzenberg, who sued for millions in unpaid bonuses after quitting the Happiest Place on Earth in 1994 and was subsequently dubbed "the little midget" by his former boss, Eisner.

Also at stake is Pixar's contract with Disney, which expires soon. Showing a little love for the successful animation studio, which is behind Finding Nemo, could be a top priority for Disney.

Pixar's fish tale reeled in a whopping $70.3 million last weekend, the best-ever opening for an animated movie or for any Disney film, including previous collaborations Monsters, Inc ($62.5 million) in 2001, Toy Story 2 ($57.3 million) in 1999, A Bug's Life ($33.2 million) in 1998 and the original Toy Story ($29.1 million) in 1995.

Until now, Disney split production costs with Pixar but took 60 percent of the profits and retained ownership and sequel rights.

Pixar owes Disney two mores movies as part of that deal but has been in discussions with other studios about a distribution agreement that would let the animation company retain ownership of its flicks.

As such, Eisner confessed to investors in New York on Tuesday: "I suspect we will change the kind of relationship we have with Pixar, but I am fairly confident we will continue to be in business with them."

Not on the Mouse's top priority list: showing any love for DreamWorks. In general, studios work to avoid the type of scheduling clashes that could cost box office dollars.

But the 'toon market seems to have taken a particularly childish approach to the competition.

In 1998 Katzenberg rushed Antz into theaters eight weeks before the release of A Bug's Life after Disney refused to budge Bugs's Thanksgiving release date which would interfere with Katzenberg's pet project, Prince of Egypt, which was later pushed back.

DreamWorks continued the tit-for-tat rivalry in November 2001 when it launched the DVD of its pride and joy Shrek the same day Monsters, Inc. opened in theaters, even after Disney had staked out the date first.
 

trekkie

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Huge showdown here. Dreamworks movies have awesome animation. Have you seen SPIRIT? OMG, "GORGEOUS" animation! POE had great animation as well; not as good as SPIRIT (While most of the great drawing in POE is done by computers, SPIRIT combines breathtaking traditional & computer animation), but still great. SHREK is their first venture into 3-D animation, and they pass with flying colors (Unlike Disney :) ). And while RTE is not a great movie, some of the animation is absolutely beatiful.

This looks to be a toss-up. Both are leaders in animation, and Dreamworks is creeping closer to the top with every animated film they release. Jeffrey Katzenburg is an awesome film maker. In all rights, he deserves legendary status in the animation world.
 

DOUG

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I don't think this is as big as some may think. It's not so much the Disney brand name anymore. This is more of a Dreamworks - Pixar clash. Katzenberg saved the animation industry..he even was a speaker at a ceremony honoring two of Disney greatest animators - Frank Thomas & Ollie Johnston. Pixar's name will allow the Incredibles to be on top that weekend..I love Disney but it's not about them anymore. All of the ideas out of Pixar belong to them. I liked Spirit, but some of the animation did not meet expectations. Some of it was beautiful while other parts looked so rushed that I cringed in my seat. The seen with the little girl stuffing her hands in Spirits nose.......terrible. It looked completely rushed..sloppily animated, even worse scanning and coloring....let alone the whole nose/hand Tarzan thing. I just sat there going "Don't do it, don't do it...........they did it." I was in disbelief. Prince of Egypt was a much better film...especially animation wise. The backgrounds were stunning....the most beautiful backgrounds I have ever seen in a film.
 

trekkie

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To me, the opening sequence w/the soaring eagle, and the sequences of Spirit running, were enough. Honestly ... those are examples of truly awesome and immersive animation; and they definately make up for any lower points in the film.
In fact, I don't think there is any movie in history that has consistantly breathtaking animation throughout. Many theatrical animated features contain areas of superb drawing (Ex: the backgrounds in POE, Pocohontas, Jungle Book, RTE, Atlantis, and Tarzan), but I cannot think of one in which each scene/sequence (Backgrounds, characters, effects, etc) is as superb as the last. SPIRIT has it's stunning qualities. The same goes for POE, RTE, ATLANTIS, LK, TARZAN, POCO, etc.
 

Fossil

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Originally posted by trekkie

This looks to be a toss-up. Both are leaders in animation, and Dreamworks is creeping closer to the top with every animated film they release. Jeffrey Katzenburg is an awesome film maker. In all rights, he deserves legendary status in the animation world.


Dreamworks has a far road ahead from catching up to Disney animation. It's not even about the animation but about the movies in general. Look at Lion King and Beauty and the Beast... both of those movies have no CGI(at least from what i know of) and they will still trample over any movie Dreamworks releases.


Originally posted by DOUG

I don't think this is as big as some may think. It's not so much the Disney brand name anymore. This is more of a Dreamworks - Pixar clash. Katzenberg saved the animation industry..he even was a speaker at a ceremony honoring two of Disney greatest animators - Frank Thomas & Ollie Johnston. Pixar's name will allow the Incredibles to be on top that weekend..I love Disney but it's not about them anymore. All of the ideas out of Pixar belong to them. I liked Spirit, but some of the animation did not meet expectations.

I think it still is about the Disney brand. Call it ignorance... but i would rather go see a computer animated film that instills the name Disney than a Dreamworks animated picture. They are the best at what they do...and the animated movies that they have released have been good, if not incredible. I was looking at box-office charts and it seems that out of the top 5 comp animated movies ever, four belong to Disney. #1 goes to Shrek($267,665,011)
but that crown will be handed down to "Finding Nemo" ($253,910,000 in 5 weeks and still going strong) in the next two weeks. Monster's Inc ($529.1 million worldwide) grossed more money than Shrek( $482.7million worldwide) worldwide and beat it in DVD sales. I think that if it wasn't for Disney, these movies wouldn't have fared at the box-office. Disney is a name that children and families trust and they will continue to go to the movies and see Disney films as long as Disney keeps up what they are doing.
 

trekkie

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Look at Lion King and Beauty and the Beast... both of those movies have no CGI(at least from what i know of) and they will still trample over any movie Dreamworks releases
Yes ... but those are in the past. Sice LK, DA has done nothing but improve. Look at RTE; not a great film story-wise, but a lot of awesome animation. Same is true for SPIRIT. SHREK is just an awesome film all-around, and I'm sure the sequel will perform just as well, if not better. And SINBAD looks to have pretty cool animation; time will tell if the story is as good.

True, many younger kids go see animated movies. But there are also those who are huge fans of animation -- such as myself -- that ultimkately decide if the flick is worth it. I mean ... "Sure, I spent $10 on a movie ticket. But is this film good enough to buy the books? Purchase the DVD? Lay down almost $17 for the CD?" Not all animation fans are young children who couldn't care less; thus, not everything should play down to children. Walt Disney knew this; in fact, there are a couple of famous quotes by him on it. He wasn't a genius just because of this ... he just knew what the public as a "whole" wanted.

But I guess Eisner & Co are all too smart for that. Nevermind that Walt made millions off this philosophy and it played a big part in him getting into history books; all while current Disney seems to play Chutes n Ladders with the stock market. Hell, with the public in general.

Such an easy solution; and they can't see it.
 

Fossil

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Originally posted by trekkie
Yes ... but those are in the past. Sice LK, DA has done nothing but improve. Look at RTE; not a great film story-wise, but a lot of awesome animation. Same is true for SPIRIT. SHREK is just an awesome film all-around, and I'm sure the sequel will perform just as well, if not better. And SINBAD looks to have pretty cool animation; time will tell if the story is as good.

True, many younger kids go see animated movies. But there are also those who are huge fans of animation -- such as myself -- that ultimkately decide if the flick is worth it. I mean ... "Sure, I spent $10 on a movie ticket. But is this film good enough to buy the books? Purchase the DVD? Lay down almost $17 for the CD?" Not all animation fans are young children who couldn't care less; thus, not everything should play down to children. Walt Disney knew this; in fact, there are a couple of famous quotes by him on it. He wasn't a genius just because of this ... he just knew what the public as a "whole" wanted.

But I guess Eisner & Co are all too smart for that. Nevermind that Walt made millions off this philosophy and it played a big part in him getting into history books; all while current Disney seems to play Chutes n Ladders with the stock market. Hell, with the public in general.

Such an easy solution; and they can't see it.



I get what you're saying. Ok..now.....what is RTE? I have been killing neurons in my head, trying to figure out what movie that is...lol:hammer:
 

Fossil

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Originally posted by trekkie
ROAD TO EL DORADO :)

Alright film. A little boring with un-funny jokes, but some beautiful animation and great soundtrack.



I never bothered to see RTE... didn't look too pleasing. Dreamworks made that...right? No wonder:lol:

:hammer:
 

trekkie

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It's worth seeing. The film is kinda boring, I must warn you; but the animation and soundtrack is worth that trek to Blockbuster.

BTW, something I just thought of: both BTB and LK were made under Jeffrey Katzenburg. Now he's at DA.

Just something to think about ;)
 

Fossil

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Originally posted by trekkie
It's worth seeing. The film is kinda boring, I must warn you; but the animation and soundtrack is worth that trek to Blockbuster.

BTW, something I just thought of: both BTB and LK were made under Jeffrey Katzenburg. Now he's at DA.

Just something to think about ;)

Wo! are you serious? cool....now....can he create for DW what he created for Disney. Yes, Shrek was a big hit, and merely a spoof of Disney. I can concur that it did have comical prowess but all it did was capitalize off Disney and make fun of what is original and creative. The only creativity i found in Shrek was its visual effects. I know that LK derived from Hamlet, but it moved on a path of its own. Shrek just mirrors and mocks Disney. Can Katszenburg create an original hit for DW. A film that not only is visually stunning but can become a global box-office giant like LK and BTB?:hammer:
 

trekkie

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He has proven that he can, I think, with SPIRIT and POE. POE has great animation, but the way the story is executed I find kinda dull & bland. Now, I know it's based on the bible, so don't think I'm insulting Christianity here...

SPIRIT has some stunning animation, and the direction/production is very good. Yes, the story is bland. Yet, the film kinda reminds me of a more beautifully animated/directed FOX & THE HOUND: bland and somewhat boring story, but top rate animation and some beautiful ways of storytelling. Actually, I think the storytelling aspect of SPIRIT is, in a way, very well done.
 

Fossil

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Originally posted by trekkie
He has proven that he can, I think, with SPIRIT and POE. POE has great animation, but the way the story is executed I find kinda dull & bland. Now, I know it's based on the bible, so don't think I'm insulting Christianity here...

SPIRIT has some stunning animation, and the direction/production is very good. Yes, the story is bland. Yet, the film kinda reminds me of a more beautifully animated/directed FOX & THE HOUND: bland and somewhat boring story, but top rate animation and some beautiful ways of storytelling. Actually, I think the storytelling aspect of SPIRIT is, in a way, very well done.


I haven't seen all of POE,but from what i have seen, it looks like a very well animated movie. I wasn't too excited when SPIRIT cam out. It didn't look like a movie that i would enjoy.:hammer:
 

trekkie

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Trust me: if you likse animation, SPIRIT is definately worth seeing. Think FOX & THE HOUND with better animation and storytelling. I love SPIRIT; not because of the story (It is very much a sleeper, kinda like THE HORSE WHISPERER), but because of the way it's executed and the breathtaking animation.

I was in complete "AWE" during and after the opening sequence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So beautiful; so much so that it's emotional
 

MrPromey

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Since the direction of this thread has sort of wandered from the original topic a bit I might as well mention that I saw a private viewing of “Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas” this weekend.

My employer is often a marketing partner for theatrical film releases which sometimes affords them to offer advance screenings for those of us who have in some way been involved on the projects. This was the first time we had done anything with Dreamworks and I have to say that they seem a bit concerned about the release of this film. I say this because it is the first time that a studio has had representatives present in the theater monitoring our reaction to the movie…

Without lengthy details, I think this movie has a better story than previous Dreamworks efforts but the animation is incredibly inconsistent with elaborate special effects and extensive use of computer assistance but striking lack of detail in pretty much all of the main characters. If you go to see the movie, take note of Sinbad’s garb. This kind of work is often used in animation to make characters simple (ie. quicker & cheaper) to animate. Then there are characters like the goddess which while even simpler in design, have an enormously fluid and well thought out style of movement… There were also some problems with the voice work in some areas that I don’t recall noticing in any animation carrying this production value.

The PG rating is well deserved since there are several obvious and strong sexual references (much more so than Shrek). Some of them, I am sure the kids in the audience picked up on because they laughed at gags that I’m pretty sure were intended for adults. (such as a retelling of a sword being pointed at every part of a persons body including… shot to the groin and then a cut to a guy with a pickle and eggs – use your imagination)

There were also a good number of violent monster scenes. Some were more ‘intense’ than others but they seemed a bit strong to me overall for a young audience…

All this aside, the one thing that stood out to me most was something that I hadn’t witnessed in other family/kid movies that we have done this with such as Ice Age, Scooby Doo, the Spy Kids movies, Rugrats Go Wild – even the Dr. Doolittle movies… You could hear kids talking through pretty much the entire movie…

In any event, the one thing Dreamworks seems to have a real problem with is picking an audience for most of their animated movies. They were able to with Shrek but that movie had a lot of work done by outside sources… This movie seems to be aiming for the nearly impossible to market to young boy audience but with a love story that I think they will probably find boring thrown in to complicate things… All in all, this movie seems like it is more appropriate in almost every sense for older audiences which I guess is maybe what they are shooting for but that has never been a successful direction for animation in mainstream theatrical releases…
 

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