Disney's Use of Marvel and Star Wars

HillHouseDude

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Just to be clear right off the bat, I am not ranting. I'm not arguing, and I'm not trying to start an argument. I just have a genuine question. I'd like to bring up a few points first.

I'm a big fan of Disney and Disney Parks. I've been browsing a few Disney Park forums and listening to some podcasts, and I've noticed that some hardcore Disney fans are a bit annoyed at how much attention Disney's relatively new IP's are getting. (Particularly Marvel and Star Wars.) I've seen a lot of people bothered that these "foreign" franchises are getting attention despite not being created by Disney.

But here's why I'm confused. The Mad Hatter was not created by Disney. Neither was Winnie the Pooh. Or even Peter Pan. They were created by Lewis Carroll, A. A. Milne, and J. M. Barrie respectively. Disney just made great adaptations that became iconic. When you go to a Disney Park, you don't see the Lewis Carroll version of the Mad Hatter. You see Disney's ADAPTATION of the Mad Hatter.

Star-Lord first appeared in "Marvel Preview #4" by Steve Englehart in 1976, though he was later popularized in the 2000's with series' like "Annihilation" and, in 2008, "Guardians of the Galaxy." But this original comics version isn't the version that walks around the park. The Star-Lord at Disneyland has the movie costume, listens to "Come and Get Your Love", and might talk about his evil dad, Ego the Living Planet. All of these things are exclusive to the MCU movies. Just like the Mad Hatter at Disney Parks is the Disney version of a character created by Lewis Carroll, the Star-Lord at Disney Parks is the Disney version of a character created by Steve Englehart.

And true, Disney uses the versions of Star Wars characters from movies created by 20th Century Fox. But that's because those movies are too iconic to change (AGAIN) and Star Wars doesn't have a prominent multiverse like Marvel. But they did reboot the expanded universe. So the universe those movies take place in is a Disney version of the universe. (And the argument could be made that these movies follow the classic Disney formula. Especially "A New Hope", which is HEAVILY based after Joseph Campbell's legendary book "The Hero with a Thousand Faces", an accurate analysis of a writing formula used in most fairy tales, myths, and, yes, Disney movies. Star Wars in many ways is a fairy tale in space.)

Books, movies, and comic books are mediums created to tell stories. It doesn't seem fair to disregard a movie because the medium it's based after isn't a book. How do we know that Lewis Carroll wouldn't have preferred to make "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" into a movie or comic book instead if he had the option? Stories should be judged on creativity and quality, not the medium used.

And yes, Marvel and Star Wars are being advertised HEAVILY now. But that's just because those franchises are big in the public conscience, and Disney knows how to make money. The mainstream hype will die out eventually (Probably after "Avengers 4" and "Star Wars: Episode 9"). It's a fad I like a lot, but it's a fad nonetheless. And all fads are temporary.

So why are some Disney fans insistent that these franchises are ruining Disney? I'm not trying to argue. I am genuinely curious. Thank you! And sorry for the long post.
 
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Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Just to be clear right off the bat, I am not ranting. I'm not arguing, and I'm not trying to start an argument. I just have a genuine question. I'd like to bring up a few points first.

I'm a big fan of Disney and Disney Parks. I've been browsing a few Disney Park forums and listening to some podcasts, and I've noticed that some hardcore Disney fans are a bit annoyed at how much attention Disney's relatively new IP's are getting. (Particularly Marvel and Star Wars.) I've seen a lot of people bothered that these "foreign" franchises are getting attention despite not being created by Disney.

But here's why I'm confused. The Mad Hatter was not created by Disney. Neither was Winnie the Pooh. Or even Peter Pan. They were created by Lewis Carroll, A. A. Milne, and J. M. Barrie respectively. Disney just made great adaptations that became iconic. When you go to a Disney Park, you don't see the Lewis Carroll version of the Mad Hatter. You see Disney's ADAPTATION of the Mad Hatter.

Star-Lord first appeared in "Marvel Preview #4" by Steve Englehart in 1976, though he was later popularized in the 2000's with series' like "Annihilation" and, in 2008, "Guardians of the Galaxy." But this original comics version isn't the version that walks around the park. The Star-Lord at Disneyland has the movie costume, listens to "Come and Get Your Love", and might talk about his evil dad, Ego the Living Planet. All of these things are exclusive to the MCU movies. Just like the Mad Hatter at Disney Parks is the Disney version of a character created by Lewis Carroll, the Star-Lord at Disney Parks is the Disney version of a character created by Steve Englehart.

And true, Disney uses the versions of Star Wars characters from movies created by 20th Century Fox. But that's because those movies are too iconic to change (AGAIN) and Star Wars doesn't have a prominent multiverse like Marvel. But they did reboot the expanded universe. So the universe those movies take place in is a Disney version of the universe. (And the argument could be made that these movies follow the classic Disney formula. Especially "A New Hope", which is HEAVILY based after Joseph Campbell's legendary book "The Hero with a Thousand Faces", an accurate analysis of a writing formula used in most fairy tales, myths, and, yes, Disney movies. Star Wars in many ways is a fairy tale in space.)

Books, movies, and comic books are mediums created to tell stories. It doesn't seem fair to disregard a movie because the medium it's based after isn't a book. How do we know that Lewis Carroll wouldn't have preferred to make "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" into a movie or comic book instead if he had the option? Stories should be judged on creativity and quality, not the medium used.

And yes, Marvel and Star Wars are being advertised HEAVILY now. But that's just because those franchises are big in the public conscience, and Disney knows how to make money. The mainstream hype will die out eventually (Probably after "Avengers 4" and "Star Wars: Episode 9"). It's a fad I like a lot, but it's a fad nonetheless. And all fads are temporary.

So why are some Disney fans insistent that these franchises are ruining Disney? I'm not trying to argue. I am genuinely curious. Thank you! And sorry for the long post.
Because they don't know any better. They think that every single stick or anything done by Walt Disney was an original idea. He made them Disney, but, they belonged to someone else before he did it. Snow White, Cinderella, Mary Poppins. All someone else's idea that Disney bought and paid for or were beyond copyright time. Carousel of Progress, Small world and a few others like Space Mountain, were original in house ideas, but, that really doesn't justify the angst generated by the overblown concern about IP's that are currently in the Disney family. Actually the original EPCOT was the closest that Disney ever came to being "originals" and even they had their share of the ideas of others in them.
 

ppete1975

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To start.. you have wall-e as your picture, so you are ok in my book :)
Why Star wars and Marvel get heat?
Their stories were told way before purchased by Disney and if you look at a good handful of merchandise at Disney stores it is this, instead of "Disney" appears as a money grab

Yes most Disney movies are based on grimm stories or other classic fairy tales. A big difference though is iron man is iron man, Cinderella is not the fairy tale Cinderella (not even close) they are very disneyfied, marvel and star wars not even close.

You see the same backlash though over frozen, because people don't like to have the newest thing forced down their throat either.
We want originality or things that are classic from our childhood. Remember that its a small world, haunted mansion, and pirates were all theme park rides not based on anything.. we are wanting this. Or super nostalgic stuff.
I have a really long diatribe on all of this on the message board somewhere...
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