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News Disney World Testing Reverse Direction on Express Monorail

osian

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I think what they've said is that it's to make it more efficient to take trains off and on the track for the maintenance bay, as described in post 3. So perhaps the switch track is configured so that you can only approach it from one direction or something like that. Why would the direction of travel affect the efficiency of taking trains off at the end of the night?
 
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Biff215

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I think what they've said is that it's to make it more efficient to take trains off and on the track for the maintenance bay, as described in post 3. So perhaps the switch track is configured so that you can only approach it from one direction or something like that. Why would the direction of travel affect the efficiency of taking trains off at the end of the night?
Correct. Trains come on and off the express loop from the maintenance bay near the MK bus stops. Epcot trains connect to the express loop between the TTC and the Contemporary. I forget where the switch between resort and express beams is.

By having both travel the same direction, there should be a bit less disruption to the entire system, especially when needing to take a train off midday.

It’s been stated that the primary reason why it was ever changed to opposite directions was to prevent pilot racing. With things mostly automated, that’s no longer an issue.
 

Disone

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What I don't understand is that in the morning they start off in the counterclockwise direction. It's not till noon or later that they switch to go clockwise with the resort line.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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What I don't understand is that in the morning they start off in the counterclockwise direction. It's not till noon or later that they switch to go clockwise with the resort line.
It’s easier to add trains with the express going counter clockwise - it is easier to send trains back to the roundhouse with express going clockwise.

Changing the direction mid-day seems like a terrible idea - it can add to confusion for staff and guests. Its more trouble than it’s worth in my opinion - which is why current operations decided it was a great idea. 🙈
 

dmc493

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Multiple sites saying there was an electrical fire and the system is not running right now as a result.

Stirring the pot (in probably the wrong thread) but is there any long term vision for monorail replacements? Can we take just a smidge of this turbocharge money for this? Yes I know it’s astronomical and everything has pointed to their desire to not do this, but they can’t maintain the current fleet forever…
 

lazyboy97o

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Stirring the pot (in probably the wrong thread) but is there any long term vision for monorail replacements? Can we take just a smidge of this turbocharge money for this? Yes I know it’s astronomical and everything has pointed to their desire to not do this, but they can’t maintain the current fleet forever…
The locomotives that share the same barn are a good 70 years older. Why must the monorails be replaced?
 

dmc493

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The locomotives that share the same barn are a good 70 years older. Why must the monorails be replaced?
The locomotives have been sent to specialists and completely rebuilt and are entirely steam(?) powered. The monorails are a fully electric system and from my understanding haven’t and can’t(?) receive a similar style overhaul just by nature of the systems themselves.

Threw a bunch of question marks in that because I know very little about all this. Not trying to make any definitive statements.
 

vikescaper

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Multiple sites saying there was an electrical fire and the system is not running right now as a result.

Stirring the pot (in probably the wrong thread) but is there any long term vision for monorail replacements? Can we take just a smidge of this turbocharge money for this? Yes I know it’s astronomical and everything has pointed to their desire to not do this, but they can’t maintain the current fleet forever…
I can confirm that the monorails were down when we arrived this morning. We know because we made the mistake of getting on the resort monorail bus at the TTC and got stuck in traffic while we were heading to the Grand Floridian. We saw some of the emergency equipment in Floridian Way. It was a mess but we kept calm.
 

Comped

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The locomotives that share the same barn are a good 70 years older. Why must the monorails be replaced?
There's simply more people who know how to repair trains than how to repair monorails - I used to work with one at Disney. He noted that trains are also much easier to work on because of their design and mechanics. Decades and decades of working on trains (and their widespread adoption compared to monorails) makes trains have a much wider knowledge base for repairs, a much better ability to repair, and in many cases ease of getting spare parts in comparison to the monorails. If every major US city had a monorail, it'd likely be the reverse.
 

lazyboy97o

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The locomotives have been sent to specialists and completely rebuilt and are entirely steam(?) powered. The monorails are a fully electric system and from my understanding haven’t and can’t(?) receive a similar style overhaul just by nature of the systems themselves.

Threw a bunch of question marks in that because I know very little about all this. Not trying to make any definitive statements.
The Mark III monorails at Disneyland were rebuilt twice to become the Mark Vs and now the Mark VIIs.
There's simply more people who know how to repair trains than how to repair monorails - I used to work with one at Disney. He noted that trains are also much easier to work on because of their design and mechanics. Decades and decades of working on trains (and their widespread adoption compared to monorails) makes trains have a much wider knowledge base for repairs, a much better ability to repair, and in many cases ease of getting spare parts in comparison to the monorails. If every major US city had a monorail, it'd likely be the reverse.
Every major city does’t have steam locomotives pulling trains. They’re very much a specialty. The Mark VIs were also the basis of a commercial product still supported by Alstom.
 

Comped

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Every major city does’t have steam locomotives pulling trains. They’re very much a specialty. The Mark VIs were also the basis of a commercial product still supported by Alstom.
There are at least 2 operating steam trains attractions in New Hampshire alone... And about 20 more just in theme parks across the US (not including international parks, or historic trains run on occasion or a regular schedule). So dozens across the US, and even more worldwide. Never mind outside the US where they're still sometimes used for active passenger service. They're uncommon, but not terribly rare, and all rely on the same principles... Monorails have a few dozen different designs (ex-Bombardier being the most common but not exclusively), all of which are either somewhat or significantly different than others. And that applies to maintenance as well. Easier to build out a maintenance capability on a product that has existed since before Queen Victoria (even if you have to improvise a bit), than when you're literally the only ones to use a platform besides the half-dead Las Vegas monorail, and rather maxed out the life of the platform years ago.

You' advertise a job working on trains at Disney and you have a built in community who will 100% know people who can do the job. Monorail mechanics, with or without specalisation (or experience) in working on a monorail type that has only had 2 instellations (and which is mechanically and operationally different from its successors)? Far harder.
 

networkpro

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In the Parks
Yes
There's simply more people who know how to repair trains than how to repair monorails - I used to work with one at Disney. He noted that trains are also much easier to work on because of their design and mechanics. Decades and decades of working on trains (and their widespread adoption compared to monorails) makes trains have a much wider knowledge base for repairs, a much better ability to repair, and in many cases ease of getting spare parts in comparison to the monorails. If every major US city had a monorail, it'd likely be the reverse.

There are currently 50 Steam locomotives operational in Florida which outweighs WDW's 12 monorail trains.
 

networkpro

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In the Parks
Yes
In Florida? I know of 9 including the Roy who is vacationing in Pennsylvania haha.

Busch, Disney, and US Sugar.

Dont forget Largo Central Railroad and its mini trains! Gold Coast has quite a few. There are a few lists out there but not well maintained... This is the best current one I know of: https://www.steamlocomotive.com/survivors/?country=USA&state=FL I've hung out at the Northwest Railway Museum in Snoqualmie, WA quite a few times over the last few decades since its just down the road from our main Engineering office.

 

TrainsOfDisney

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Gold Coast has quite a few.
They don’t have any operating steam.

Largo central is “live steam” - which is kinda a different animal. Not usually counted the same way.

Not trying to argue by the way…. But on a railfan list it would 9. (And Busch wouldn’t even count if we only talked historic engines)
 

networkpro

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In the Parks
Yes
They don’t have any operating steam.

Largo central is “live steam” - which is kinda a different animal. Not usually counted the same way.

Not trying to argue by the way…. But on a railfan list it would 9. (And Busch wouldn’t even count if we only talked historic engines)

Not arguing it one bit. There are a plethora of steam train rebuilding resources available in Florida... more so than Monorails.
 

Nubs70

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Multiple sites saying there was an electrical fire and the system is not running right now as a result.

Stirring the pot (in probably the wrong thread) but is there any long term vision for monorail replacements? Can we take just a smidge of this turbocharge money for this? Yes I know it’s astronomical and everything has pointed to their desire to not do this, but they can’t maintain the current fleet forever…
More like evening out wear on the wearable parts like bearings etc. Run in two directions get twice the life span
 

Goofyernmost

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More like evening out wear on the wearable parts like bearings etc. Run in two directions get twice the life span
That automatically happens every day when they dispatch one to be the resort monorail and a different one to become the express monorail. they don't just use one monorail per direction. Then throw in the Epcot monorail and you have yet another change. I can understand possibly a smaller amount of help with wear but since they are designed to have equal direction ability it would be minimal. By nature they would be switching direction daily.
 

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