Disney Sees More Profit in Cruise Ships than Theme Parks

Alektronic

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Disney looks to sea to boost growth

By Jason Garcia Orlando Sentinel
5:53 PM EST, January 1, 2011

Right around sunrise Tuesday, the newest addition to the Walt Disney Co.'s global vacation empire will glide up to a pier at Port Canaveral.
The Disney Dream, a 130,000-ton ocean liner with room aboard for 4,000 passengers, is the first of two new cruise ships Disney is building at a combined cost of more than $1.8 billion. Together, the Dream and the Disney Fantasy — which will debut in spring 2012 — will increase the company's capacity at sea by nearly 150 percent.

Disney has big expectations for the cruise expansion, a business that has proven immensely profitable for the company since it launched its cruise line 12 years ago. Disney's two existing ships, the Magic and Wonder, have generated better returns than any of the company's recent theme-park investments; in some years, they have churned out higher profits than the Disneyland Resort in Anaheim, Calif.
Analysts at Goldman Sachs predict that, as it adds the new ships over the next two years, Disney Cruise Line will be responsible for a quarter of the overall profit growth in Disney's $10.8 billion-a-year parks-and-resorts division. Once the Dream and Fantasy are sailing from Port Canaveral, those analysts and others expect Disney's cruise revenue will reach $1 billion a year.
But to get there, Disney will have to navigate around a number of potential shoals.
The company will have to guard against erosion on its two existing ships as fans flock to the state-of-the-art Dream, which will feature such industry firsts as a "water coaster" that extends over the side of the ship and interior cabins outfitted with virtual portholes that provide real-time views of the sea. And it faces stiffening competition for family cruisers from larger operators who have begun outfitting ships with popular children's characters such as Dora the Explorer and Shrek.
Disney declined to make executives available for interviews for this report. But in a prepared statement, Walt Disney Parks and Resorts Chairman Tom Staggs said: "We're in a period of exciting growth at Disney Parks, and the expansion of Disney Cruise Line is a key component of our strategy. Adding two new ships allows us to take our special brand of family cruising to the next level while also providing the flexibility to offer Disney vacations in new markets and destinations."

Profitable, flexible
Cruising has become a lucrative venture for Disney.
People both inside and outside the company say the first two ships, which cost an estimated $760 million combined and can carry approximately 2,600 passengers each, have far exceeded internal profit projections since launching in the late 1990s. Their performance contrasts sharply with big-ticket theme-park investments that Disney has made over the same period — such as Disney California Adventure in Anaheim, Walt Disney Studios at Disneyland Paris, and Hong Kong Disneyland — that have failed to meet expectations.

Among the reasons they have been so profitable: Disney's ships sail fuller and command higher prices than do other cruise ships. Because Disney carries so many families with children, its ships average three people per stateroom, according to analyst research, compared with two per cabin on other major cruise lines. And thanks to the combination of limited capacity and a globally recognized family-entertainment brand, Disney can charge more than other cruise lines. Prices for state rooms aboard the Dream are currently 78 percent higher than similar cabins on Carnival Cruise Line ships and 60 percent more than on Royal Caribbean International ships, according to Goldman Sachs.
Disney also would appear to have plenty of room to grow: Even after the Dream and Fantasy set sail, Disney will account for just 3 percent of North American cruising capacity, according to UBS Investment Research.
Experts expect the Dream to be an immediate hit. "Despite marketing costs, new cruise ships typically generate high margins at once, as they benefit from a novelty factor and more premium rooms," Goldman Sachs analyst James Mitchell wrote in a recent research note to clients.
Expanding the brand
But the appeal of the cruise business for Disney extends beyond bottom-line returns.
Disney Co. President and Chief Executive Officer Bob Iger has called the ships "global ambassadors" that can introduce the company's characters and brands to new markets, and seed demand for future theme-park visits or other company products. Executives have said sales of Disney Vacation Club time shares, for example, are particularly strong aboard the cruise ships.
And cruise ships, unlike theme parks, are mobile; if travelers stop booking certain itineraries, Disney can send the ship somewhere else. Already, Disney executives have suggested eventually sending ships to far-flung ports in Asia or in Hawaii, where the company will later this year open an 819-room hotel and time share.
Still, smooth sailing is by no means assured. Among the biggest challenges: Ensuring that the new ships do not cannibalize bookings from the older ones.
In hopes of blunting any erosion, Disney will use its new ships to sail the familiar three- to seven-day Caribbean voyages out of Port Canaveral while sending the older ones to new locations. Two days after the Dream arrives at Canaveral, the Wonder will depart for a new home on the U.S. West Coast, where it will offer sailings from the Mexican Riviera to Alaska. And Disney is widely expected to send the Magic to Europe permanently once the Fantasy arrives in Florida next year.
But the new markets, too, could prove troublesome. A potential red flag was raised earlier this year when Disney reported soft bookings for a series of European sailings aboard the Magic.
To make Europe work as a permanent home, experts say Disney will have to better market its cruises to European vacationers — rather than relying on North Americans traveling abroad — during the slower "shoulder seasons" that precede and follow the peak summer period.
Big boats, big competition
At the same time, larger cruise operators are making a bigger play for Disney's core, family audience. Norwegian Cruise Lines, for instance, struck a three-year deal last January with Nickelodeon to add the television networks' popular characters to a pair of ships sailing Caribbean itineraries.
An even greater threat may be Miami-based Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd., the industry's No. 2 cruise operator behind Miami-based Carnival Corp. Just last month, Royal Caribbean launched its first ship featuring characters from DreamWorks Animation films such as Shrek, Madagascar, Kung Fu Panda and How to Train Your Dragon. It plans to add the characters — who appear in everything from character breakfasts to stage, water and ice shows — to three more ships this year, including the Port Canaveral-based Freedom of the Seas.
"We expect to see a nice lift with summer bookings once we really get out and start marketing the fact that this is on all four ships," said Betsy O'Rourke, senior vice president of marketing at Royal Caribbean International. She added, "Unlike Disney, it is not a sole offering. You can come on one of our cruises and, frankly, have no interaction with a DreamWorks character. Which is really not true with Disney."
For Disney, a bigger fleet also brings with it greater exposure to fuel prices, which are notoriously volatile and which have bedeviled Disney recently. Two years ago, Disney was forced to take a $40 million write-down when a fuel-hedging contract soured as prices fell. The company stopped hedging in 2010 — only to see rising prices pull down the cruise line's profits.
 

DarthGrady

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Don't many that cruise with Disney also do the parks in some type of package? If so, it seems like more and bigger ships could only help the parks.
 

jt04

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They are doing so well at least partly (or mostly) because Disney is investing in the Imagineering of the ships features. There is real buzz about the cruises because of that. The same can happen at the parks if Disney allows Imagineering to work their magic. Just look at how the crowds are reacting to DCA and it is only half finished.

The same reactions can happen again at WDW but Disney needs to unleash Imagineering to create more attractions at a bit faster pace IMO. Ultimately competition is going to force them to do so anyway.

Imagineering = Profits
 

sanctumsolitude

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They are doing so well at least partly (or mostly) because Disney is investing in the Imagineering of the ships features. There is real buzz about the cruises because of that. The same can happen at the parks if Disney allows Imagineering to work their magic. Just look at how the crowds are reacting to DCA and it is only half finished.

The same reactions can happen again at WDW but Disney needs to unleash Imagineering to create more attractions at a bit faster pace IMO. Ultimately competition is going to force them to do so anyway.

Imagineering = Profits

Agree. Consider the theme parks that they compare the cruise ships to: Walt Disney Studios Paris ($500 million), Hong Kong Disneyland (Disney's portion: $315 million), and Disney's California Adventure ($700 million). Combined cost: about $1.5 billion. The two ships alone cost Disney more than all three theme parks (this isn't adjusted for inflation, but it should be adequate for comparison).
 

zulemara

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In the Parks
Yes
They are doing so well at least partly (or mostly) because Disney is investing in the Imagineering of the ships features. There is real buzz about the cruises because of that. The same can happen at the parks if Disney allows Imagineering to work their magic. Just look at how the crowds are reacting to DCA and it is only half finished.

The same reactions can happen again at WDW but Disney needs to unleash Imagineering to create more attractions at a bit faster pace IMO. Ultimately competition is going to force them to do so anyway.

Imagineering = Profits

something we agree on for a change! Of course that other stuff hasn't done well, they did it CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP during the Eisner years!

I know DCL's market is families, but it irritates me when people incorrectly state that you can go on a Disney cruise without character interaction. If you wanted to, you could hang out in adult only areas and never see a character. Furthermore, it's the service that sets DCL apart from the other cruise lines IMO. That's why I don't mind a higher price, because I know I'm getting true Disney service and awesome innovation, even on the current ships. Dream in March, here I come!
 

jaques21

Active Member
that does suck cause the parks are more affordable to me than a cruise. although i will be on that cruise in two weeks!....no i did not pay for it, i was lucky enough to be invited! Anyways hopefully the profit made will some how make it to the parks!
 

gallerie

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Cruise versus parks

We just took a 3 day cruise and 4 day at the parks vacation early December. Part of what is making the cruise line such a sucess is simple. The cast on the ships are all full of pure Disney Magic. everything went smoothly, no lights were out, all the food is delicious and entertainment is top notch. We had tons of aggravation and dissapointment at the parks. So much that the next already booked trip is soley a Disney Cruise without parks. There is much work needed to bring the magic lost back to WDW.
 

harryk

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Alaska cruise does not look good in that it only offers visit along the inside passage. It is a trip up and then back to port of departure. When visiting Alaska one should have the opportunity of doing a land visit also, i.e. visit the National Parks in the interior. If all I want to do is sail the inside passage it is okay but for such an expensive trip from the Atlantic seaboard it would be nice to tie in a Disney Adventure tour with it.
 

llrain

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thats not too obvious.
We booked a Dream cruise for april for 1700.00 for 3 nights. After evaluating the price tag we backed out and cancelled the cruise.
Why spend 1700.00 for 3 stinkin nights when we can do a carnival or norweigan for half the price for a full week with more stops.
It just doesnt add up to us. We can get our disney fix on land and do a more worthy cruise for half the price
 

WDWFigment

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thats not too obvious.
We booked a Dream cruise for april for 1700.00 for 3 nights. After evaluating the price tag we backed out and cancelled the cruise.
Why spend 1700.00 for 3 stinkin nights when we can do a carnival or norweigan for half the price for a full week with more stops.
It just doesnt add up to us. We can get our disney fix on land and do a more worthy cruise for half the price

$1,700 for three nights?! You should check out Vacations to Go or one of the other discount cruise websites. There are definitely better deals to be had.

We haven't gone on a Disney Cruise yet, but it's in the cards for the future.
 

Master Yoda

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Premium Member
Don't many that cruise with Disney also do the parks in some type of package? If so, it seems like more and bigger ships could only help the parks.
Granted my sample size is incredibly small but my experience is no. Of the cruises I have booked none have had longer than a one night stay at a Disney resort prior to the cruise and half have had no Disney resort stay at all.
 

trr1

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Don't many that cruise with Disney also do the parks in some type of package? If so, it seems like more and bigger ships could only help the parks.
disney offers 2 options for the surf and turf

Disney Land & Sea - Package 1

Disney World Sunday Wednesday
Disney World Orlando Florida Sunday - Wednesday
Disney Wonder
Cruise Ship 12:00 PM 4:00 PM Depart Orlando for Port Canaveral Thursday
9:30 AM 7:00 PM Nassau Bahamas Friday
8:30 AM 4:30 PM Castaway Cay Saturday
7:30 AM Port Canaveral Sunday

Disney Land & Sea - Package 2
4:00 PM Depart Orlando for Port Canaveral Monday
9:30 AM 7:00 PM Nassau Bahamas Tuesday
8:30 AM 4:30 PM Castaway Cay Wednesday
7:30 AM Port Canaveral Thursday
Disney World Thursday Sunday Disney World Orlando Florida Thursday - Sunday
 

llrain

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better deals for disney cruises?

$1,700 for three nights?! You should check out Vacations to Go or one of the other discount cruise websites. There are definitely better deals to be had.

We haven't gone on a Disney Cruise yet, but it's in the cards for the future.
 

lbrad

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We just took a 3 day cruise and 4 day at the parks vacation early December. Part of what is making the cruise line such a sucess is simple. The cast on the ships are all full of pure Disney Magic. everything went smoothly, no lights were out, all the food is delicious and entertainment is top notch. We had tons of aggravation and dissapointment at the parks. So much that the next already booked trip is soley a Disney Cruise without parks. There is much work needed to bring the magic lost back to WDW.


So TRUE!!!!
 


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