Disney Creating Movies Purposely to Support Park Attractions

Ciar_j

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Over the past couple years it has been blatantly obvious that Disney has been trying to attach a cinematic plot to its attractions in all four (and possibly five theme parks when Hong Kong is finished) theme parks. The attractions Country Bear Jamboree, Pirates of the Caribbean, and Haunted Mansion have either very subtle backgrounds (like HM) to no background (like CB) and to having no plot to its ride (like POTC, which is just a bunch of pirates who pillage and plunder and riffle and loot drink up me hearties yo ho).

Thats why Disney has created the three movies to allow the rider to understand the plot and background that is missing from these attractions. Finally we now know the background of the Country Bears, how the got together and what they did prior to performing the same performance several times a day over thirty years at WDW, but sadly not at DL anymore (and Im not to sure about DLP and TDL either). Ans also with the release of POTC: Curse of the Black Pearl riders will understand the reason to the fully-in-tacked and animated skeletons, the jokes about the pillaging pirates and the little insiders like the dog and the cell
keys.

However the movie that will be the best attribution to any Disney-theme park attraction, will be the Haunted Mansion. Since it opened in 1969, the background of the ride was very subtle, where we were only given subtle hints like the home’s owner, Master Gracey, the clairvoyant crystal baller, Madame Leota, the nameless bride in the attic and the ghost-host who in his previous life hung himself to escape the mansion. The plot of the ride seemed to be eliminated due to some graphic aspects, such as the hatbox ghost whose decapitated head appeared and reappeared in a box with the help the “pepper’s illusion” (thanks
Doombuggies.com).

With years of conjuring up lore from cast members, there has been several stories built around the attraction which ranged from a New Orleans sea captain, Master Gracey, buying
a mansion for his new wife. Since the house was haunted the sea captain went mad killed his wife by hiding the body in a chest (which is next to the ghost bride in the DL version) and
then committed suicide by hanging himself, thus making himself the Ghost Host. The DLP version of the ride is a little different from the others, where there is actually a plot, the bride
is seen a lot more and the Phantom (aka the ghost host) is more visible and crucial to the story. Hopefully the movie this fall will highlight the background.

To return back to the topic of this post, it maybe evident that Disney is purposely creating movies to “Disney-fy” attractions. Some are more apparent than others like POTC and HM,
but some attractions cannot be used to create movies. So there is little doubt that there will be “It’s a Small World the Movie” in 2006 or “Hall of Presidents the Movie” in 2007.

However when an attraction is deemed an uncinemtatic feature, a movie can be created to alter the attraction, and thus, serving a double purpose. For instance when “Tarzan” came out it was coincidental that Animal Kingdom came out around the same time and hence solving two problems: a cinematic feature and a basis for creating an attraction. This idea of killing two birds with one stone is possibly the basis for many of the movies recently brought by Disney, Touchstone, Mirimax, etc. The following are some of the trends of movies “Disney-fying” attractions:

Tarzan -> Animal Kingdom / Tarzan Rocks, Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse Rehab (TDL and DL)
Dinosaur-> Countdown to Extinction (Where’s the Disney?)-> Dinosaur the Ride
Lion King -> Symbiosis from Epcot’s The Land (Where’s the Disney?) -> Circle of Life
Aladdin, Lion King -> Tiki Tiki Room (Where’s the Disney?) -> Tiki Tiki Room Under New Management
Aladdin -> Adventureland (Where’s the Disney?) -> Magic Carpets
Pixar’s Toy Story -> Tomorrowland (Where’s the Disney?) -> Buzz
Lightyear Ranger Spin
Pixar’s Toy Story-> Wonder’s of Life (Where’s the Disney? Other than Goofy)-> Life rehab (Epcot /PG rumored)
Pixar’s Finding Nemo -> Living Seas (Where’s the Disney?) -> 2005 Seas rehab
Brother Bear -> DCA Grizzly Mountain (Where’s the Disney?) -> Brother Bear Themed Attraction at DCA (rumored)
Brother Bear -> Animal Kingdom (Where’s the Disney?) -> North America in Animal Kingdom (rumored)
Pixar’s Cars (2005)-> Test Track or Autopia (Where’s the Disney?) -> PG Test Track Rehab or Autopia Rehab (rumored)
Lilo & Stitch -> Alien Encounter ( Where’s the Disney?) -> Alien Encounter Rehab (rumored)
Monsters Inc. -> Universe of Energy (Where’s the Disney?) -> UoE Rehab (rumored)

Even though some of Disney’s movies flopped, one would have wondered what they would have or could created or altered if they were a success and if they were intended for an
attraction:

Mission to Mars -> Mission: Space (although hosted by Gary Sinese)
Treasure Planet -> Tomorrowland Attraction
Empire’s New Groove -> Peru in World Showcase, South America in Animal Kingdom
Reign of Fire -> Beastly Kingdom in Animal Kingdom






SO NEXT TIME WHEN A DISNEY MOVIE COMES OUT THINK OF THE POSSIBLE ATTRACTIONS THAT WILL BE CREATED or MAYBE.......ALTERED!
 

Shaman

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Originally posted by Ciar_j
The attractions Country Bear Jamboree, Pirates of the Caribbean, and Haunted Mansion have either very subtle backgrounds (like HM) to no background
(like CB) and to having no plot to its ride (like POTC, which is just a bunch of pirates who
pillage and plunder and riffle and loot drink up me hearties yo ho).........SO NEXT TIME WHEN A DISNEY MOVIE COMES OUT THINK OF THE POSSIBLE ATTRACTIONS THAT WILL BE CREATED or MAYBE.......ALTERED!

Actually while the story itself was not one of PotC:Curse of the Black Pearl's best elements the movie as a whole was excellent (and it did have a plot...Sparrow wants his ship...Barbosa has it....he is cursed...and he and the crew want the last piece of gold...which a certain young lady has in her possession....sounds like a story to me...)

I do agree however that movies are not coincidences...in fact I often look at a movie and ask the very same question you proposed we asked ourselves when seeing Disney movies....a great example is in Lilo and Stitch when Stitch gets loose at the beginning...its almost like AE...so I wasn't really surprised when I heard they would add him to AE...I just which they wouldn't....but thats a different issue all together.
 

BigDreamer

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I pretty much agree with what you're sayin however the movie for the Haunted Masion will have some connectiosn to the ride, it will probably not accuratly portray the story of the mansion (at least not the story behind the Florida version). The reason is b/c the only "official" story behind the Florida mansion (given my the Imagnieers) is that a mansion has been built to hold 1000 spirtis and there are only 999 leaving room for one more. In some way, the mansion was only supposed to be a showcase of the different spitis who have inhabited the masion. and taken up the offer. IN fact, if you listen to the old radio ads and promtional material for the mansions opening, Walt talks about building a mansion that spritis are going to come and inhabit. The movie, I'm assuming will take the differntl elements of the masion (perhaps from both the DL and WDW version) and join them into what will become an accepted story line for the mansion.
 

Jusjuice

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It would be cool if they slipped swordfighting animatronics that looked "sorta" like Johnny Depp and Geoffrey Rush into Pirates. (not to change the storyline of the ride, but sort of as a subtle tribute to the movie)

As amazing as the sets for the Haunted Mansion movie look, when they are done displaying them at MGM, they should use them in the Haunted Mansion ride for HK. They shouldn't base the ride on the movie, just use the sets.
 

Tim G

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Disney Creating Movies Purposely to Support Park Attractions
I don't know if that's so wrong...
It's part of the marketing machine...it all has to do with markrting strategy...
 

PhotoDave219

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I think youre a little off base. I think its probably more a case of 'Dude.... this would make such a cool movie'

If it boosts park attendance, great, but i dont forsee Disney sinking millions of dollars into a movie just to promote their theme parks. I dont see it as a promotional tool at all....
 

ACE

New Member
Originally posted by PhotoDave219
I think youre a little off base. I think its probably more a case of 'Dude.... this would make such a cool movie'

If it boosts park attendance, great, but i dont forsee Disney sinking millions of dollars into a movie just to promote their theme parks. I dont see it as a promotional tool at all....

I agree. Movies are too expensive and risky just to promote the parks.

:wave: ACE
 

Tim G

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Originally posted by PhotoDave219
I think youre a little off base. I think its probably more a case of 'Dude.... this would make such a cool movie'

If it boosts park attendance, great, but i dont forsee Disney sinking millions of dollars into a movie just to promote their theme parks. I dont see it as a promotional tool at all....

I wrote "marketing", I especially didn't mention promotional... these are 2 different things.
Although to promote is always a piece of marketing, but marketing doesn't automatically means promotions, that's why I mentioned "marketing machine"...

People like to relate a movie to this and that, ie. POTC.
That works both ways
 

ToTBellHop

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I'll just put forth that Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl is based on the Disneyland Pirates ride--and there is a "curse" mentioned in that ride, in the dark cave before entering the scene w/ the pirates attacking the fort. So that story does exist in the original ride; this movie expanded upon it.
 

KevinPage

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Geesh, I think there is WAAAY too much thought put into this post. It's simply a matter of money with any business.

They probably thought what attraction could be made into a movie and did it. You make it sound like some evil corporate plot to rid you of your money and forcing you to see a movie :-)
 

ACE

New Member
Originally posted by Corrus
I wrote "marketing", I especially didn't mention promotional... these are 2 different things.
Although to promote is always a piece of marketing, but marketing doesn't automatically means promotions, that's why I mentioned "marketing machine"...

People like to relate a movie to this and that, ie. POTC.
That works both ways

I think PhotoDave was replying to the original post, not yours particularly. I think he would have quoted you like you did him if he was replying to your post, IMHO.

:wave: ACE
 

imagineersrock

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Originally posted by KevinPage
Geesh, I think there is WAAAY too much thought put into this post. It's simply a matter of money with any business.

They probably thought what attraction could be made into a movie and did it. You make it sound like some evil corporate plot to rid you of your money and forcing you to see a movie :-)

P R E C I S E L Y . thanks- perfectly said.

:cool: -Alex
 

BigDreamer

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I DO think you'd be surprised how much thought really DOES go into all this stuff. Disney has more meetings only to plan other meetings to talk and discuss marketing, and promtional stradegies that last hours apon hours. Dinsey is big on making connections between advertising, movies/television, and theme park attractions and resorts. Funny though how to everyone else, it appears like these decisons made are just so simple. It's more Disney MAGIC :animwink:
 

meeko_33785

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Is it so wrong to create theme park attractions to promote upcomming films? Disney has been doing it since Disneyland. Remember Sleeping Beauty Castle? It was built and opened to the public in 1955- a whole 4 years before the movie it was nammed after was released. The whole purpose of the namming the Castle after Sleeping Beauty insteed of one of Disney's eariler Princesses or just making it a generic Fantasyland Castle was simply to promote the film. Walt did this, so I see no problem with doing it today.
 

Ciar_j

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Original Poster
You make it sound like some evil corporate plot to rid you of your money and forcing you to see a movie :-)

I wasn't trying to make it sound like Disney was plotting to trick the consumer.

I just feel that it is quite ironic that Disney decided to rehab a dying broken down attraction like Living Seas with a very popular, blockbuster such as Finding Nemo.

It seems to me that Disney might have planned a possible theme that could have fit into Living Seas (since to no avail, no other solution could be made)....developed a movie around that theme (not just to promote an attraction, but to also create famliy entertainment).....they crossed their fingures for a success........waited for public aproval...........and then

***GREEN LIGHT****

......Eisner announces the Living Seas Rehab with Nemo.


Was this the same for Monster's Inc?

It is known that it wasn't until towards the end of the story development that Disney/Pixar added the element of an ENERGY CRISIS where a company was responsible for ENERGY. hmmm Sounds fishy and since Universe of Energy will lose sponsorship in March 2004 could we see "Universe of Energy: presented by Monster's Inc?"


To further reiterate, Pixar will bring "Cars" in 2005. Will this be the theme to Test Track? Will GM leave Disney? Since Project Gemini stated that Test Track would be changed to a Junior Autopia, wouldn't there be an equal chance of it being rethemed to fit "Discoveryland" and loss of sponsorship?

Or am I just reading into it that much.... :brick:

What do you think?
 

KevinPage

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Ciar J:

Wooh, you sure have done some thinking there. I don't think Disney it thinking THAT much into it. Energy Crisis to tie in monsters to Universe of Energy and Cars to tie in Test Track. You can draw parallels b/w alot of things, but if they were thinking THIS much into something like that, they are wasting their time.
 

daniam2188

Member
Originally posted by Ciar_j
I wasn't trying to make it sound like Disney was plotting to trick the consumer.

I just feel that it is quite ironic that Disney decided to rehab a dying broken down attraction like Living Seas with a very popular, blockbuster such as Finding Nemo.

It seems to me that Disney might have planned a possible theme that could have fit into Living Seas (since to no avail, no other solution could be made)....developed a movie around that theme (not just to promote an attraction, but to also create famliy entertainment).....they crossed their fingures for a success........waited for public aproval...........and then

***GREEN LIGHT****

......Eisner announces the Living Seas Rehab with Nemo.


Was this the same for Monster's Inc?

It is known that it wasn't until towards the end of the story development that Disney/Pixar added the element of an ENERGY CRISIS where a company was responsible for ENERGY. hmmm Sounds fishy and since Universe of Energy will lose sponsorship in March 2004 could we see "Universe of Energy: presented by Monster's Inc?"


To further reiterate, Pixar will bring "Cars" in 2005. Will this be the theme to Test Track? Will GM leave Disney? Since Project Gemini stated that Test Track would be changed to a Junior Autopia, wouldn't there be an equal chance of it being rethemed to fit "Discoveryland" and loss of sponsorship?

Or am I just reading into it that much.... :brick:

What do you think?


i think that you need to take a DEEP breath... and also reread the posts about project gemini... TT is not going to become a junior autopia it is one of EPCOTS biggest crowd drawers and there was a 20 min wait at 9:30 yesterday. there is a RUMOR that there will be an autopia like attraction near TT but you also have to realize that it is just that a RUMOR possibly concoted by the person who first wrote it (COUGH Jim Hill COUGH) now im sure there is some truth in his "project gemini" rumor it is highly embileshed and many of the things are prob ideas that ppl had but have been thrown out since. now... about nemo and the LS i think that marlin, dory, and possibly Mr. Ray (the school teacher) would be great hosts for a new PRE-SHOW of LS that show is old and outdated and many people skip it and go streight to the hydrolators. they would also be a good way for smaller children to be able to identify with the living animals in the tanks.
 

no2apprentice

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Maybe someone who knows from working in the industry can enlighten (*** NowInc ***), but I was under the impression that the very talented people at Pixar come up with their own ideas, with little input from Disney. Disney just likes their name on it to reap the profits from the films and merchandise.

I agree with Corrus that Disney is just trying to make good use of marketing, as long as it works. Nobody has mentioned the TOT movie yet, which didn't quite have the same punch as POTC. For those who are old enough to remember, Disney was at one time known for not only wonderful family centered animated films, but wonderful family centered live films, as well. One of the first movies I can remember crying at was Old Yeller. I can remember laughing so hard I cried at Flubber and The Love Bug. And we laughed as a family, because the parents enjoyed it as much as the kids did.

I think that Disney isn't as much trying to find films to promote the parks, as to try and find that spark of quality family entertainment that exists in live films, as well as animated. The challenge for Disney is making entertaining films for families where the kids know more about troubleshooting computers than the parents. If Disney can be inspired by certain rides for ideas, no harm done...we profit by hopefully seeing good films with the Disney touch, and Disney profits by some subtle (or maybe not so subtle) marketing of the parks. Disney benefits as a business, we benefit as the consumer. Works for me.
 

Clemster

Member
Of course Disney creats movies that purposely support park attractions and vice-versa, it's the reason Disney exists today, it's why so many people love Disney.

20 years ago if you asked someone what Disney was famous for people would comment on the excellent films Disney produce these days ask the question people will say the excellent theme parks they have.
It was the film that made the theme park so good, now it's time for the theme park to make the film good once again.
 

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