Disney at Fault Again in BTRR Accident

Yen_Sid1

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Disney Is Again Faulted in Coaster Accident
An inexperienced worker's error is called a factor in Big Thunder Mountain's 3rd crash in a year.
By Kimi Yoshino
Times Staff Writer

August 28, 2004

State investigators said Friday that mistakes by an inexperienced ride operator and a software glitch contributed to an accident last month — the third in less than a year — on Disneyland's Big Thunder Mountain Railroad.

The report from the state Division of Occupational Safety and Health concluded that the unnamed ride operator had been on the job just three days when he performed procedures out of sequence July 8, causing two trains to collide as one returned to the station. Five people suffered minor injuries.

The first accident occurred last September when a car derailed, killing one person and injuring 10 others; the second was in April when two empty cars crashed during a test run. In all three cases, the state faulted the park and ordered retraining.

Friday's report did not address the question of whether the coaster has an ongoing problem. But Susan Gard, a spokeswoman for the state agency, said investigators considered the ride's recent history.

Unlike in the fatal accident, the employee this time was properly trained and the procedures were proper, she said. In the amusement park business, as in any other, "there is always going to be the possibility that a mistake can be made," Gard said.

Disneyland officials said they agree with the report and have taken the action required by the state, which included retraining the operator at fault and fixing the software problem.

"We remain committed to driving continuous improvement and upholding the high standards that keep us at the forefront of ride safety," said Greg Hale, chief safety officer of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts.

One independent expert on Disneyland, "Mouse Tales" author David Koenig, said the run of accidents may be a terrible case of bad luck. But, at a minimum, it creates a perception problem for the park, undercutting Disneyland contentions that such accidents are extremely rare, he said.

"Disney has run out of its 'one-in-a-million' excuse," Koenig said.

And more than that, some fans who once supported Disney almost unequivocally have lost faith — at least in Big Thunder Mountain, he said.

"This was the first time, in observing decades of accidents at Disneyland, that I heard a large number of otherwise calm, collected, sane people, say, 'I'm never riding that ride again.' "

The latest accident occurred when one train arriving at the station bumped into another. Both were carrying passengers, though only a handful of riders complained of minor aches.

Despite the human error, the computer operating system should have prevented the collision, Gard said.

"It was a small window of opportunity for the error to happen. If he [the operator] would have pressed the button out of sequence at any other place, the accident wouldn't have occurred," she said.

Waiting for Big Thunder Mountain to reopen Friday, many tourists said they have few qualms about getting aboard the ride.

"Disneyland has been around for a really long time, and there have been very few accidents," said Brad Macy, 44, visiting from Walnut Creek with his two children.

"I'm not a big fan of roller coasters, but I think they are fairly safe," he said.

His son, Leor, 12, was more guarded. "It scares me a little," he said. "But I'm going to go on it anyway."
 

mkt

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CalOSHA rocks my socks?

I don't know what to say, other than... I saw this coming.
 

raven

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I do feel sorry for the people who were on the ride when the accidents occured. I also feel horrible for the ride operators that are having to live everyday knowing that they mistakingly caused an accident. But like the article said, the computer should have stopped anything from happening. Maybe it's time for an overhaul on the system and OSHA needs to step in an see what's happening with BTMR. That would be the safest bet.
 

Yen_Sid1

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raven said:
I do feel sorry for the people who were on the ride when the accidents occured. I also feel horrible for the ride operators that are having to live everyday knowing that they mistakingly caused an accident. But like the article said, the computer should have stopped anything from happening. Maybe it's time for an overhaul on the system and OSHA needs to step in an see what's happening with BTMR. That would be the safest bet.

I don't think it is a computer problem though. It is hard to program a ride for every possible situation, so that's why there is proper guidelines and procedures. If the ride operator would followed proper procedures then there wouldn't have been a problem.

I think it is a training issue. Just like traditions was reduced from 3 days to 1. Ride operator training has been reduced also. There used to be 3 days of 1-on-1 training, now it's more like 3 trainees to one trainer for one day. In fact, my friends have seen people in the control tower(control of the whole ride) who couldn't speak English. There are safety violations all the time and there are just starting to show up more and more.
 

se8472

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I think it is a training issue. Just like traditions was reduced from 3 days to 1. Ride operator training has been reduced also. There used to be 3 days of 1-on-1 training; now it's more like 3 trainees to one trainer for one day. In fact, my friends have seen people in the control tower(control of the whole ride) who couldn't speak English. There are safety violations all the time and there are just starting to show up more and more.

I really can't say that is the problem. Speaking from my training at space, I know that we had a week of training. Also knowing people who work out on Bing Thunder and Splash, there training is just as long. Now just going from what I know, it would be darn near impossible to train such a complex ride in 1 day...only 1 day training I know of is when someone is returning back to there ride after being away for so long. Then there is the test you have to past. I don't know about the 3 people training together as well...but I did train with another person and there was no problem. My trainer made sure that we all where on the same page.

Now going all the way back and once again coming from my space training. We are pretty much trained to believe that what happened out in CA is impossible. Why? Because the computer knows where all the rockets are and its just simply not suppose to let another rockets into another zone unless that zone is clear. Heck if we try and space it will e-stop itself. Now this is what we are being told has happened in CA.

Now in order to get hired at the parks here in America, you need to be able to speak and comprehend the English language. I don't see how someone who is not able to speak English would be in tower. Now I know that we at WDW have had both people from Hong Kong and 2 Counties from South America in our parks. Both countries where English is not there first language. But what I am trying to say is that if they where alone...that mean they past there test and thus know what the heck they are doing.

I'm not trying to be rude here...but just from the facts that I know...I just don't see how some of the things you have said can be true.
 

DieHardDisney

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Whatever the problem is, be it in the training and the methods used or something else, it needs to be sorted now, 3 accidents in under a year is, quite frankly, diabolical, and this is DL, geez!
 

Yen_Sid1

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se8472 said:
I'm not trying to be rude here...but just from the facts that I know...I just don't see how some of the things you have said can be true.

Then you should come over to Animal Kingdom and check things out. And computers are not perfect and they can't prevent everything. That's why there are proper procedures in place.
 

se8472

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Yen_Sid1 said:
Then you should come over to Animal Kingdom and check things out. And computers are not perfect and they can't prevent everything. That's why there are proper procedures in place.

Computers are a lot more perfect then humans will ever be. That is why computers are there in the frist place, because we all know people arn't perfect. Unless you know something I don't...
 

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