Disney 4K UHD Blu-ray

Animaniac93-98

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The Little Mermaid will get a 4K release on February 26th. It will be the first time Disney releases an animated movie on blu-ray that was not inked and painted with computers. Should be interesting to see what it looks like.

Lion King's 4K release was sourced from a 2K master. I think Mermaid might have been a 4K scan and restoration.
 

PB Watermelon

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The Little Mermaid will get a 4K release on February 26th. It will be the first time Disney releases an animated movie on blu-ray that was not inked and painted with computers. Should be interesting to see what it looks like.

Lion King's 4K release was sourced from a 2K master. I think Mermaid might have been a 4K scan and restoration.

Going to be the same master used for the previous blu-ray release. Hand-drawn pre-CAPS films were captured in 4k, but the masters (with the resulting color timing, dust-busting, restoration work, etc.) were finished at 2k. Mermaid might be a special case, though, because of the 3D conversion work which cost the Mouse a cool $20 million to complete. Might be true 4k, but in any event, it's going to be identical to the last blu-ray release, only in 4k.
 

Animaniac93-98

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This would be a situation where even buying existing titles wouldn't change Disney's mind, because their focus is so narrow it creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Only release some animated, Pixar, Marvel and Star Wars titles? "Oh I guess people don't want to buy 4K discs of old stuff" :rolleyes:

Much like the cancelling of theatrical screenings for older movies, this would be another casualty of Disney owning Fox.

Meanwhile; Sony, Paramount, Universal and Warner Brothers continue release older titles to 4K physical.
 

Disney Irish

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This would be a situation where even buying existing titles wouldn't change Disney's mind, because their focus is so narrow it creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Only release some animated, Pixar, Marvel and Star Wars titles? "Oh I guess people don't want to buy 4K discs of old stuff" :rolleyes:

Much like the cancelling of theatrical screenings for older movies, this would be another casualty of Disney owning Fox.

Meanwhile; Sony, Paramount, Universal and Warner Brothers continue release older titles to 4K physical.
I would think is this more about the slow death of Blu-Ray with the switch to digital releases and streaming only releases.
 

Animaniac93-98

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I would think is this more about the slow death of Blu-Ray with the switch to digital releases and streaming only releases.

If physical media is dying, why are studios continuing to release titles on the new format? Why do smaller independent labels continue?

There is a market for this content. Only putting it on Disney+ or Hulu is not maximizing the value of the catalog.
 

Disney Irish

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If physical media is dying, why are studios continuing to release titles on the new format? Why do smaller independent labels continue?

There is a market for this content. Only putting it on Disney+ or Hulu is not maximizing the value of the catalog.
 

Animaniac93-98

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This 18-month old article mentions the growing popularity of 4K discs and doesn't answer the question of why studios are expanding their 4K catalog if there is no value in it.

Disney used to sell Laserdiscs for years, even though market penetration was a fraction of what Blu-ray is now.

Disney still has their Movie Club subscription service with exclusive titles too.

Labels like BFI, Criterion, Shout! Factory, Arrow, etc know how to leverage their brands. Why can't Disney?
 

Disney Irish

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This 18-month old article mentions the growing popularity of 4K discs and doesn't answer the question of why studios are expanding their 4K catalog if there is no value in it.

Disney used to sell Laserdiscs for years, even though market penetration was a fraction of what Blu-ray is now.

Disney still has their Movie Club subscription service with exclusive titles too.

Labels like BFI, Criterion, Shout! Factory, Arrow, etc know how to leverage their brands. Why can't Disney?

Its the market, overall physical media sales are down. Its a streaming and digital media world now. So you may still have a few niche vendors that will provide physical media, overall its going away as time goes on. Give it a few years and even those niche vendors will cease to exist. Just like VHS and other physical media before it, new technology has replaced the older technology. Again if the largest manufacturer of Blu-Ray/4K UHD Players is getting out the market its a slow drum beat to a death of physical media. It'll take a couple years but it will happen.
 

Animaniac93-98

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Its the market, overall physical media sales are down. Its a streaming and digital media world now. So you may still have a few niche vendors that will provide physical media, overall its going away as time goes on. Give it a few years and even those niche vendors will cease to exist. Just like VHS and other physical media before it, new technology has replaced the older technology. Again if the largest manufacturer of Blu-Ray/4K UHD Players is getting out the market its a slow drum beat to a death of physical media. It'll take a couple years but it will happen.

Malls and big box retailers across the country have closed. Movie theater attendance has been on a steady decline for years.

But malls and movie theaters still exist. They exist because a market still exists for them. Businesses understand that mass producing and distributing a product hoping it will sell no longer works. There has been a shift to targeted niches and needs. That's what 4K UHD provides.

Physical media will never go away completely. Many titles will never find their way to streaming services, and the quality cannot support true 4K picture and sound yet, to say nothing of bonus content. The same collector's market that buys limited edition figures and the like are not satisfied with Netflix alone, especially if they remove certain titles.

Blu-ray only players may decline in sales, but other electronics like PCs and Play Stations still exist, and the PS5 will support 4K discs. In the 90s you needed a Laserdisc player to play those discs. Now many things can play Blu-ray/4K.

There's a difference between knowing a product exists and knowing how to sell it. Disney giving up on 4K UHD back catalog titles is not them leading the industry or looking at market trends. It's ignoring a growing market for the sake of convenience.
 

erasure fan1

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If physical media is dying, why are studios continuing to release titles on the new format? Why do smaller independent labels continue?

There is a market for this content. Only putting it on Disney+ or Hulu is not maximizing the value of the catalog.
Is physical media less popular? Sure. Is it dying? It doesn't have to be. The studios want digital bad so that's what they are pushing towards. All entertainment companies want to cut out the middle man as much as they can.
 

Disney Irish

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Malls and big box retailers across the country have closed. Movie theater attendance has been on a steady decline for years.

But malls and movie theaters still exist. They exist because a market still exists for them. Businesses understand that mass producing and distributing a product hoping it will sell no longer works. There has been a shift to targeted niches and needs. That's what 4K UHD provides.

Physical media will never go away completely. Many titles will never find their way to streaming services, and the quality cannot support true 4K picture and sound yet, to say nothing of bonus content. The same collector's market that buys limited edition figures and the like are not satisfied with Netflix alone, especially if they remove certain titles.

Blu-ray only players may decline in sales, but other electronics like PCs and Play Stations still exist, and the PS5 will support 4K discs. In the 90s you needed a Laserdisc player to play those discs. Now many things can play Blu-ray/4K.

There's a difference between knowing a product exists and knowing how to sell it. Disney giving up on 4K UHD back catalog titles is not them leading the industry or looking at market trends. It's ignoring a growing market for the sake of convenience.
I'm old enough to have known a world without things like VHS and other physical media devices. And just like everyone said collectors would keep the VHS alive, they have not. You could be right that there may always be a small niche of consumers that will want physical media, just like collectors still want vinyl. But overall the physical media market will likely go away. You mention PCs and Consoles, even those are have been debating dropping optical drives and some have. Both Sony and Microsoft almost dropped optical drives on both their next gen consoles, but both blinked and opted to include it. So while they still may be available today, in a couple years after a couple new generations come out who knows. Just like Apple dropping the headphone jack others are following suit now, all it takes is one major vendor to drive the rest of the market.

Anyways, like I said maybe you're right it'll never go away completely. However don't be surprised if by 2030 we're talking about the good old days of Blu-Rays and 4k UHD similar to VHS.
 

erasure fan1

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You mention PCs and Consoles, even those are have been debating dropping optical drives and some have. Both Sony and Microsoft almost dropped optical drives on both their next gen consoles, but both blinked and opted to include it. So while they still may be available today, in a couple years after a couple new generations come out who knows.
The video game companies want digital worse than the movie studios. They absolutely hate the 2nd hand market. It doesn't have as much to do with people not wanting physical but more with studios wanting digital. There is plenty of room for both and both can thrive. Not so much in movies, but the 2nd hand market is not bad for video games, it actually helps. But all studios, games or movies or music are motivated to get rid of physical because of the used market, that they make zero off of. The 2nd hand market isn't the only reason, but it is a big one.
 

Disney Irish

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The video game companies want digital worse than the movie studios. They absolutely hate the 2nd hand market. It doesn't have as much to do with people not wanting physical but more with studios wanting digital. There is plenty of room for both and both can thrive. Not so much in movies, but the 2nd hand market is not bad for video games, it actually helps. But all studios, games or movies or music are motivated to get rid of physical because of the used market, that they make zero off of. The 2nd hand market isn't the only reason, but it is a big one.
I remember the good old days when media companies were screaming about the potential of piracy due to video tapes. Ah we've come a long way.

Direct to consumer and elimination of transferability of media have long been issues media companies have been trying to resolve. Digital has finally given them the ability to tackle both in one fell swoop.
 

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