Dark Ride Debacle

JimboJones123

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Will there ever be a day when Walt Disney World ventures back into the traditional Dark Ride attraction?

Why does Disneyland continue to build traditional Dark Rides if they continue to fail?



At Disney World, it started with the death of WOM and continued with Horizons, killing 1/2 of Imagination, and changing Toad to Pooh and Wings to Buzz instead of just adding new attractions. The newest traditional Dark Ride built at WDW is Imagination in 1983. There are NONE at the DHS. There are NONE at AK.

If memory serves me, 3 of the 4 MK dark rides have always been fastpass attractions since the system began, and Pooh and Pan continue to be of the busiest of fastpass attractions at the park. It's not as if demand isn't there???




Meanwhile, while the freeze continues in Florida, DL has scrapped a show attraction in CBJ and added an entirely new Dark Ride in Pooh. They also added the Monsters Inc. to replace Superstar Limo, and Buzz most recently. That's 3 new dark rides to a park that already hosts Pinoc, Snow White, Pan, Roger, Alice, and Toad. The pickle comes in when New attractions like Monsters and Pooh remain near walk-ons even on the weekends and are deemed failures at the parks.




Although demand for such attractions at WDW is there and absent at DL, one could only believe, as tradition dictates, that the next US based Disney Dark ride will surely land on the West Coast.

Will this ever change?

Does anybody care? Well at DL they don't.

:rolleyes:
 

echoscot

New Member
I'm sorry, I was a little confused by your post...are you saying that WDW hasn't built a dark ride in a long time?

Is it that DL has dark rides and you think they don't want them?

I'm just not following so please clarify...:shrug:
 

Maerj

Well-Known Member
Well, if they replace COP with a blank screen and the only thing going on in the theater is the rotation of the theater itself, that could certainly be a great new dark ride!

Plus, I read online that it would be about 400x more entertaining that what's currently there!





That's if you believe everything you read online.




;)
 

JimboJones123

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Well, if they replace COP with a blank screen and the only thing going on in the theater is the rotation of the theater itself, that could certainly be a great new dark ride!

Plus, I read online that it would be about 400x more entertaining that what's currently there!





That's if you believe everything you read online.
Thank you "Oops, I Crapped My Pants" :animwink:.
 

echoscot

New Member
Okay, I think I understand.

I would like more dark rides as well. But I thought Dinosaur/CTE was a dark ride, Alien Encounter was very dark...LOL, and at DL I had to wait quite a while for Pinocchio and Alice.....

It is ashame that Toad is gone....:(...Pooh could have had his own area.
 

RonAnnArbor

Well-Known Member
Hmm....the whole post is misinformed and inaccurate...

The Seas with Nemo and Friends is a dark ride and it was inaugurated in 2006;
Mr. Toad's Wild Ride was changed to Winnie the Pooh because Mr. Toad the character dropped off the face of the earth about 20 years ago.
Splash Mountain is a dark ride.
Imagination at Epcot is a dark ride - also redone and revised several times.
Dinosaur is a dark ride at AK - albeit a state of the art dark ride.

How many Dark rides do you want??

AK:
Dinosaur
DHS:
The Movie Ride
Toy Story Mania (opening 2008)
EPCOT:
Universe of Energy
Gran Fiesta Tour
Maelstrom
Journey Into Imagination
Living with the Land
The Seas with Nemo and Friends
Space Ship Earth
MK:
Pirates of the Caribbean
Splash Mountain
The Haunted Mansion
It's a Small World
Peter Pan's Flight
The Many Adventures of Winnie The Pooh
Snow White's Scary Adventure
Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin

That's 18 dark rides -- how many more do you want?
 

raven

Well-Known Member
I think the issue comes when we look at what people consider a "dark ride." A Traditional Dark Ride has always been my favorite (Peter Pan, Snow White, Mr. Toad, etc.). The newer Hybrid Dark Rides are taking over because people want a little more excitement (Dinosaur, Indiana Jones, Test Track, etc.). I think that WDI needs to keep both of these kinds of Dark Rides in order to please everyone. Obviously people still enjoy the classics so tearing them down will only cause controversy if it's replaced by something inferior to guests. They need to find a happy medium to satisfy everyone.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
WDW not putting in Fantasy land style dark rides has always baffled me. They are inexpensive to build and maintain, they have huge guest per hour rates and are insanely popular. You could easily put 4 to 6 dark rides on the old 20k plot and have each one run at full capacity all day long. Seems like a no brainer to me.
 

brkgnews

Well-Known Member
Even though there was heavy use of video technology in it as well, I felt the Nemo seacabs replacement was a "return" of sorts to traditional Disney Dark Ride values. I mentioned that to my friend as soon as we got off it.
 

PeoplemoverTTA

Well-Known Member
I'm a big fan of the Monster's Inc. dark ride at DCA. For me, a traditional dark ride should make me feel as if I am "inside" the movie. Monster's Inc: Mike and Sully to the Rescue did that for me (I know some people don't care for it, but I absolutely love it!). In addition to the "classic" feel of the attraction, WDI showed off some new tricks as well (the Randle figure is really cool).

I would have much rather had this attraction come to WDW than the (Too bad I didn't) Laugh Floor.
 

echoscot

New Member
I'm a big fan of the Monster's Inc. dark ride at DCA. For me, a traditional dark ride should make me feel as if I am "inside" the movie. Monster's Inc: Mike and Sully to the Rescue did that for me (I know some people don't care for it, but I absolutely love it!). In addition to the "classic" feel of the attraction, WDI showed off some new tricks as well (the Randle figure is really cool).

I would have much rather had this attraction come to WDW than the (Too bad I didn't) Laugh Floor.


That ride at DCA does sound really cool.

BTW are you also on the VF forum???
 

Dragonrider1227

Well-Known Member
I love the Laugh Floor comedy club!! It's loads of fun! I seriously don't think Winnie the Pooh counts as a "failure" 'cause the only time I saw a short line on it was during Halloween but then, everything that day had a short line.
As for Dark rides in general, I personally wouldn't mind more traditional dark rides, but they're not really needed. It always feels like to me that Disney wants to try new things like Walt wanted. How many "traditional" dark rides was Walt creating after Disneyland opened? I wouldn't call Pirates of the Caribbean or Haunted Mansion a "traditional" dark ride personally.
 

JimboJones123

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
WDW not putting in Fantasy land style dark rides has always baffled me. They are inexpensive to build and maintain, they have huge guest per hour rates and are insanely popular. You could easily put 4 to 6 dark rides on the old 20k plot and have each one run at full capacity all day long. Seems like a no brainer to me.
Plus it only takes 4-5 people to staff. Unlike a Beauty and the Beast type show that takes 40-60 people to run.
 

echoscot

New Member
Plus it only takes 4-5 people to staff. Unlike a Beauty and the Beast type show that takes 40-60 people to run.


Comparing a live show to a ride is kind of apples/oranges kind of thing.

The size of 20k would only support about 2 rides of the size of Peter Pan or Snow White. There is less room than you think there.

I would love a big ride there say a longer better version of Pinocchio's Daring Journey...
 

DisneyAnole

New Member
Comparing a live show to a ride is kind of apples/oranges kind of thing.

The size of 20k would only support about 2 rides of the size of Peter Pan or Snow White. There is less room than you think there.

I would love a big ride there say a longer better version of Pinocchio's Daring Journey...

Or a Roger Rabbit Cartoon Spin...

There's a lot of land starting in Fantasyland and fanning out toward Tomorrowland if you consider that there aren't any essential attractions in Mickey's Boring Small-Town Farmland.
 

echoscot

New Member
Or a Roger Rabbit Cartoon Spin...

There's a lot of land starting in Fantasyland and fanning out toward Tomorrowland if you consider that there aren't any essential attractions in Mickey's Boring Small-Town Farmland.


Heck if they wanted to bull doze that section of the park, I would put on my hard hat and lead the charge.

Put some creative stuff in that spot and make a nicer looking train station.

Could still have the classic Disney characters represented in shows and rides, but just with out the "circus" feel.
 

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