Close Call At Disney's California Adventure

cherrynegra

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Close Call At Disney's California Adventure
by David Koenig
mouseplanet

Reader Joseph Titizian reported that on Friday, June 11, Disney's California Adventure nearly suffered its first guest fatality, by someone who wasn't even a theme park guest. About 3:00 in the afternoon, he said, “We were turning the bend past Soarin' towards Grizzly when I noticed something odd. On the sloped roof of the sixth floor of the Grand Californian, just outside of her balcony, was a small child no more than five or six years old. She had just hopped over her balcony onto the sloped area around it wandering around, looking out at Disney's California Adventure. We couldn't believe our eyes!”

Each balcony has a table and two chairs that small children commonly stand on to get a better view over the railing. As well, the balconies are “inset” into the roofline, so the gravel-covered roofs are just a few feet below the railing—making it easy and tempting for someone to climb over. The roofs are about five feet deep, slope downward, and at the top concierge level, are about 50 feet above the ground below.

“As we walked closer,” Titizian continued, “The girl climbed back over, but by the time we had reached the Grizzly ride entrance she was back over on the roof, walking around, doing a little dance, at one point turning around, facing back into her room and waving. By now a group of concerned guests had gathered frozen in fear feeling helpless not knowing what to do! The ticket takers at the DCA/Grand Californian gate wandered out to see what was going on, and helplessly walked back to hopefully call Security. The child who was barefoot and looked quite disheveled continued to wander and prance as the crowd got more anxious.”

The crowd stood by helplessly, saying things like “Where's the mother?” “Someone do something!”, and “Oh, my God, she is going to fall!” Finally, a female guest in a loud, forceful voice, yelled to the girl, “You get back over there right now, Baby! Go, or you are going to get a spanking! Where is your mother? Get inside right now! Get inside the house! Go to your Mommy!”

“This obviously caught the attention of the girl,” he related, “who sheepishly climbed over the balcony and hid behind the balcony railings. Not once did her parents come outside during this entire incident. And Disney Security was nowhere to be found! Here's hoping that they visited the room and kicked those horrible people out of the Grand Californian. It makes you wonder what kind of people are staying in some of the most desirable and expensive rooms at the Grand Cal!”

A security officer expressed little surprise at the alleged incident and lack of response. “That's what is happening when you have cutbacks,” he said. “DCA has only about four officers patrolling that park. But it all boils down to that old saying of 'guests are idiots.' Fortunately, the kid did not get hurt.”

Adrienne Krock, MousePlanet's Parenting in the Park editor, said, “I think it's unfortunate that security didn't get there because they could have at least figured out what room the child was in to let the 'responsible' adults know what happened. The lack of supervision for that child is shocking and sad. We often don't think ahead, and many of us do not have balconies at home or have balconies that can access rooftops. This is an important reminder to be aware of our surroundings and be on alert for dangers when we are traveling away from home.”
 

nicholas

New Member
The exact same thing happened at the rooftop pool across the street from my office. I saw a young boy climb over the fencing and we had to scream across the street at him to climb back over. Finally a worker at the hotel found his mother and she made him re-enact what he had done and then dangled him over the edge much like the Michael Jackson incident. Sick sick sick.
 

xfkirsten

New Member
OMG, that child's parents are awful! Seriously! If you're going to leave your child alone like that by a high, easy to climb over balcony, you deserve to have your child taken away from you. Simple as that.

As for the lack of security, that CM didn't sound happy about it, and I don't blame him. Four officers for the entire park? That sounds reallllly low to me.

-Kirsten
 

Merlin

Account Suspended
ISTCNavigator57 said:
That is the most ridiculous thing I have read in awhile...I, too, hope those people were booted from the Grand Californian!

I agree! In fact, not doing so would probably open Disney to potential liability if the parents were negligent again and the kid got hurt.
 

cherrynegra

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I think what's truly frightening is the fact that all these guests saw what was happening with no security around. How could they reprimand the parents of the child when they don't know what room the child came from? I think that was mentioned in the account. I'm surprised no video has shown up of the whole thing what with people carrying cameras at the park.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
The Magic of Magical Gatherings at the Magic Kingdom
Grandma: "Okay, everyone! Let's go see all there is to do at Disney World!"
Kid: "I wanna ride Terror Tower!"
Mom: "looks like that's in Liberty Square!"
Kid2: "And Space Mission!"
Grandpa: "I remember that ride from when I was a kid! It's in Tomorrowland!"
Dad: "Oh, look at this Philharmonic ride!" pointing to the map
Teenager: "I'm sick of this...I wanna go to Universal to ride the Aerosmith thing"
Grandma: "Look, kids! The Swiss Family Tree of Life! I hear there's a safari ride here"
Teenager2: "Doesn't the Jungle Safari have a big drop?"
Mom: "That's Splash Mountain, dear, in Fantasyland"


I suppose I should be happy that new groups are coming to wdw...and I wasn't stalking these people lol...I heard this talk while walking behind them from the hub into Adventureland ;)
 

ScrapIron

Member
What I find disturbing in this tale is the statement "Here's hoping that they visited the room and kicked those horrible people out of the Grand Californian. It makes you wonder what kind of people are staying in some of the most desirable and expensive rooms at the Grand Cal!”

Unless there is information that is not contained in the story, I consider this to be highly presumptuous. None of us know the circumstances that led to this incident.

Now, if the parents were passed out drunk in a pool of their own vomit, or if the girl's weird uncle was encouraging her because he thought it was cute, then, yes, you can probably safely call these people horrible.

But:
What if a single parent was taking a shower and didn't realize the girl could access the balcony, perhaps left unsecured by housekeeping or the previous occupants.
What if the entire family was napping, and the little girl awoke before everyone else, then wandered outside while they slept.
What if the girl's brother just cut his foot, and while Mom or Dad was attending to that, the girl slipped outside.
What if she was left in the care of her teenage sister, who promptly left her alone to make out with that really cute guy next door.

I've heard "Tears In Heaven", so know full well how this could have ended. Lest anyone think I don't take child safety seriously, earlier this year I reported a foster family for suspected child abuse. But if you're going to call someone horrible parents, it seems that you should know all of the facts first

The above was originally posted by me on mousepad. The following was posted there by someone else.

What disturbs me about this article is how uninformed the writer of this article is. I was there. For those of you that are unfamiliar with my posts I work for Security and make it a habit of not posting here, becouse a majority of topics discussed and the appropriate answers could compromise our initiatievs, however, for someone to say that there was no Disneyland Security response proves that they did not do their research before writing. Being that the incident was at the Grand Californian Hotel, hotel trained officers respond. Most park officers can't tell you the room number from the outside of the hotel, but Hotel Officers can. Inside the Hotel several officers were responding and did locate the room in question just as the child was pulled back into the room by the parent who was napping beforehand. It was a very serious and thorough respose, and one that I'm proud to say I was apart of. So just becouse the one officer observing the scene on the parkside (who was from the hotel) seemed passive and overly calm, know that hysteria and panic just makes things worse. He was communicating vital information in a professional and efficient manner.
 

xfkirsten

New Member
Napping? If their child gets into trouble like that, they should NOT just be napping and let the child wander. I'm sorry, but there are too many horrible parents out there, and when I see an incident like this, I do noot give leeway anymore.

-Kirsten
 

careship

New Member
As long as the parents initilas weren't M.J. and actually hanging the child over with a towel on its head.....I know that was bad taste for a joke. Really it is very hard to say what happened without being there and knowing first hand. Little ones can get into mischief quickly and the article doesn't say how long this event lasted. It could've seemed or sounded like forever where in reality it could have been seconds. True, bad situation. Possibly blown out of proportion when not in the moment. Maybe the parent fell and got hurt and was dying in the room....we don't have the full story. Makes me curious to know the full story though.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
It is not really security's job to watch the windows of all 751 rooms at the Grand Californian (let alone the other two Resort Hotels). That is the job of the "responsible" parents.
 

flyersmv

Member
lets not bash the parents to bad every1 makes mistakes and this was one they will never do agian.....for all the parents out there how would u like it if sum1 called u a bad parent b/c u made a mistake
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
if you let your child climb out on the roof from 6 stories and don't even come when people are screaming at your child from inside California Adventure, you need some parental training.
 

careship

New Member
ISTCNavigator57 said:
if you let your child climb out on the roof from 6 stories and don't even come when people are screaming at your child from inside California Adventure, you need some parental training.

Before you offer up a healthy dose of parental training for this parent...you need to know all the facts. We don't know what the deal was with the parent and how long this incident was that took place. Toddlers get into things quickly. Granted I keep close tabs on my kids, sometimes overly protective, but I would never bash another parent without knowing ALL of the facts surrounding an incident.
 

ScrapIron

Member
xfkirsten said:
Napping? If their child gets into trouble like that, they should NOT just be napping and let the child wander. I'm sorry, but there are too many horrible parents out there, and when I see an incident like this, I do noot give leeway anymore.

-Kirsten

So, for discussion, what if it's like this? Parent and kid are in the hotel for an afternoon break watching a movie. Parent falls asleep because of having already seen "The Lion King" 47 times, not to mention the fact that they woke up at 4 AM to drive 8 hours from San Rafael. I am not going to call someone horrible under those circumstances. If everyone in the room was asleep, and the kid happened to wake up first, I'm not going to call someone horrible. If you are seriously suggesting that parents can't take a nap, I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that you don't have children yourself, or if you do there's only one. If this had happened in the middle of the night when the kid got up and slipped out, would you be saying they should stay awake all night? What if they made sure the balcony was locked, but the kid figured out how to get it open? Having not stayed at the GC, I don't know what the balcony doors are like, but are you really going to consider these people horrible if it wasn't secured before they even entered the room? What if this is the first time their child has done anything like that? What if someone in the room had been calmly trying to coax her back in because they were worried if they ran towards her yelling and screaming she'd get scared and slip, or run away from them......over the edge?

When I was that age, my parents had to put a fence inside our fence to try to contain me, and I'd still get away. Any suggestion that I had horrible parents will be met with hostility. At age 7, my first visit to Disneyland, I found myself seperated from them before we got past the Emporium, it doesn't take long. Please don't take this as an attack on you, because you seem a reasonable person from your posts. But it's a bad idea to come to a conclusion before knowing all the facts. Would YOU want to be judged by a jury that didn't hear the evidence before passing a verdict?

If, after knowing the facts, it turns out that they are, in fact, horrible, then, by all means, nail 'em!

I'm guessing that almost every person on this board can think of things they did at that age that could have caused great harm when their parents weren't looking. Shoot, my boy (8 yr) hit the side of a car rollerblading across the street, in a crosswalk, with a walk signal, doing everything right, and I was with him! Now the person in the car that didn't even stop to see if he was OK? That (obscene gerund) person, you may call horrible.

ISTCNavigator57 said:
if you let your child climb out on the roof from 6 stories and don't even come when people are screaming at your child from inside California Adventure, you need some parental training.

This is not how the incident was described.
"By now a group of concerned guests had gathered frozen in fear feeling helpless not knowing what to do!"
"The crowd stood by helplessly...Finally, a female guest..." That only sounds like one people to me. Actually, screams from a theme park are not that unusual.

Cheers
 

xfkirsten

New Member
There is no excuse for an incident like this. PERIOD. When a child's life is endangered that much, there is no excuse whatsoever. And I stand by that.

-Kirsten
 

1disneydood

Active Member
I would have been kicking and beating on every door on that floor on that side. "Open the F****** door now, EMERGENCY EMERGENCY!!!!!" Seriously. I put children before ALL others.
 

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