City of the Future

gsimpson

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I wish people would look at things like this with a more realistic eye and realize this is an out and out sham. A building with a photovoltaic roof isn't going to produce enough power for itself, let alone distribute it to everyone else. The renderings shown are in some cases completely unbuildable. There is insufficient structure to hold the weight. Since when is Appalachian or Idaho a desert? Equitism Tower just because we want to meet all of the current PC/Woke hot buttons. Aeroponic farming is more concerned with space than water, but hey - it sounds good. A "new model for society"? I think someone may be watching too much Star Trek. 'City would allow residents to “participate in the decision-making and budgeting process."', oh, you mean like democracy? And finally we come to the crux of the problem 'The investor cites capitalism’s “significant flaws,” attributing many of them to “the land ownership model that America was built on.”' Someone who made hundreds of millions off capitalism and then sold it to Walmart for huge sums of money want to go down a socialist route. Much like Bernie Sanders (one of the few politicians I think is sincere) likes to complain about property ownership as well, yet he manages to own three homes worth millions of dollars. Not to put too fine a point on it, capitalism is what has brought most of our world changing innovations, it created (amongst other things) Disney World. Capitalist countries, without exception, have a higher sustainable standard of living than other systems.
 

JIMINYCR

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Never was going to work under Walt and never going to work any place else. A utopia dream land is unrealistic and will deteriorate under societies pressure. He can put forth a vision of a perfect place to build but it will never become a reality. Its something thats an unrealistic sci fi scenario.
 

Heppenheimer

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Two other things I see in this picture that always pop up in future/utopia city proposals but are completely impractical, for the most part- monorails and trees on buildings. There's enough videos on Youtube to explain why monorails are a really poor investment for public transportation under most circumstances, and trees, quite simply, do not grow well on top off buildings. Too much wind.
 

Smooth

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Original Poster
Two other things I see in this picture that always pop up in future/utopia city proposals but are completely impractical, for the most part- monorails and trees on buildings. There's enough videos on Youtube to explain why monorails are a really poor investment for public transportation under most circumstances, and trees, quite simply, do not grow well on top off buildings. Too much wind.
Yea .... But it looks cool. 😄
 

ppete1975

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This would never be built in the US, possible or not. I really thought abu dhabi or an area like that might have attempted it. More money than they know what to do with and willing to build things like this. And the infrastructure and people with money are there.

I am not up to date on their current financial status now though.
 

gsimpson

Well-Known Member
Two other things I see in this picture that always pop up in future/utopia city proposals but are completely impractical, for the most part- monorails and trees on buildings. There's enough videos on Youtube to explain why monorails are a really poor investment for public transportation under most circumstances, and trees, quite simply, do not grow well on top off buildings. Too much wind.
Not to mention the detail of the weight it adds to the structure for the dirt and water required to support the tree.
 

aliceismad

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Two other things I see in this picture that always pop up in future/utopia city proposals but are completely impractical, for the most part- monorails and trees on buildings. There's enough videos on Youtube to explain why monorails are a really poor investment for public transportation under most circumstances, and trees, quite simply, do not grow well on top off buildings. Too much wind.
Singapore has made it work.

Greenroofs have a lot of challenges, but it's not impossible.
 

aliceismad

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Since when is Appalachian or Idaho a desert?
There are parts of Idaho that are considered high desert. Idaho also has a good current balance of renewable energy and enormous potential, not just in solar but also wind, hydro, geothermal, and biomass.

"In 2019, Idaho generated 76% of its in-state utility-scale (facilities that are 1 megawatt or larger in capacity) electricity from renewable energy, the third-highest share for any state, after Vermont and Maine. Most of Idaho's renewable electricity comes from hydropower."


Since drought and wildfires are the two largest impacts of climate change on places like Idaho and other desert/high desert areas in the West, I can see a desire for development that mitigates that, including mixed use. The problem, I think, is that Americans, especially in the West, are set in their ways and hold individualism very high. We like urban sprawl and land/property ownership. Unfortunately that leads to blights, heat island effect, expensive road and infrastructure networks, etc.
 
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