Chicken Little: Your thoughts?

imagineer99

New Member
Original Poster
Well, Chicken Little is going to be Disney's major expose into CGI animation.

So, I ask...what does everybody think of it?
Do you think it will do well?
Do you wish that Disney would have attempted to stick with traditional animation (and music;))?

The preview that came bundled with the "The Incredibles" (I must admit) was kinda funny. However, will it have the box office pull that to keep Disney animation afloat following the pixar separation?

Also, on a totally unrelated note:
Did anybody else really enjoy the Pixar short "Boundin"? I found this toon to be utterly inspiring (despite it's short runtime). Anybody else concur?
 

DisneyFan 2000

Well-Known Member
I didn't like the new trailer one bit. I think it will do well at the box office but I won't expect another Nemo.
And yes, I wish Disney would've stuck with 2D animation and music! :(
 

wdwmaniac

Member
Chicken Little...CGI looks great...Response for the trailer infront of the Incrediables was Great. People laughing and clapping at the end. It won't be a Sherk or Nemo but will do probably very well. $200-300 Million area.

I wish Disney would have stuck to 2-D but also CGI too. They could have made one of each.

Boundin was good but I think I liked the last short with the birds.
 

dxwwf3

Well-Known Member
wdwmaniac said:
Chicken Little...CGI looks great...Response for the trailer infront of the Incrediables was Great. People laughing and clapping at the end. It won't be a Sherk or Nemo but will do probably very well. $200-300 Million area.

If Chicken Little passes the $150 million mark it would be HUGE. I kinda doubt it will do that well, but over $100 million is definatley a possibility. I don't think that the trailer was all that good, but you can't always tell about trailers anymore.

Let me put it this way if Little crosses the $200 million mark, I will eat some nice roasted crow. I certainly hope I'm wrong, but that would be asking for way too much, IMO.
 

imagineer99

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Original Poster
Well, I pose the question:

In this CGI saturated market, if Disney would have released Beauty and the Beast NOW, would it have stilll succeeded?

Is there still a market for 2D animation?
 

cherrynegra

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I found an articlce detailing some of the problems that "Chicken Little" appears to be having. Here are a few quotes, and then the link to the entire story. The problems that Chicken Little is having is also tied to the rumor that David Stainton, Pres of Walt Disney Feature Animation, is on the way out and about to be replaced by either Sharon Morrill, head of DisneyToon Studios (direct to video animation) or Andrew Millstein who was handpicked by Michael Eisner to head the new CGI studio set up for the sole purpose of producing sequels to the Disney/Pixar films. Very interesting read.

LINK

Chicken Little, it's believed, is suffering from a split personality. As another source said, "They're trying to graph Field of Dreams on to Signs." And Jim Hill adds that the film needs to, "ease CL's transition from father/son family comedy to pseudo-satiric action adventure."

There is genuine concern among Disney observers that Stainton will panic during this, his first real time in the driver's seat of a major feature animation project. Former WDFA animators agree that if Chicken Little is subject to the same type of "executive interference" that has plagued most of Disney's recent animated features, it too will probably fall far short of expectations at the box office. And that would be more than enough reason for Disney management to be looking into replacing Stainton with a firmer hand.
 

cherrynegra

Well-Known Member
imagineer99 said:
Well, I pose the question:

In this CGI saturated market, if Disney would have released Beauty and the Beast NOW, would it have stilll succeeded?

Is there still a market for 2D animation?

Yes, I still believe that there is a market for 2D animation. Let me clarify by saying well done 2D animation. Beauty succeeded not because it was 2D, but it had a storyline and characters that people could relate to and fall in love with. Add to that some of the most beautiful music composed for a musical in a long time, and well, you have magic.
 

Legacy

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The whole alien invasion thing was already done with Jimmy Neutron's movie. As far as the success of this film, I'm honestly expecting it to do about as well as Home on the Range did. People laughed at the trailer when I saw the Incredibles too, but it wasn't a "I've got to see that movie" laugh. It was a "Haha, that was cute" laugh. Big difference.

And I honestly believe that there is still a market for 2-D. To be honest, if Disney released any of the movies from Little Mermaid to Lion King, they would still be hits. Disney has gotten so misguided in what makes a good movie, that it has lost its own identity.

I'm positive Chicken Little will be a so-so movie, with a so-so reception. But deep down, I want it to bomb.
 

cherrynegra

Well-Known Member
Legacy said:
Disney has gotten so misguided in what makes a good movie, that it has lost its own identity.

I once read an interesting article where the author started to detail in a time line where Disney started going wrong with their animation. I believe he said it began with Pocahontas, and that Disney started to take themselves too seriously after the Oscar nomination for Beauty and began turning to serious story inspirations, i.e. Pocahontas, Hunchback. By the time Emperor's New Groove and Atlantis were released, the tide was turning slowly but surely.

But all things are like a pendulum. It's swinging towards computer animated films now, but I'm sure given the right story, it'll swing back the other way to 2D.
 

dxwwf3

Well-Known Member
I still think that if they had released The Emperor's New Groove and Brother Bear in the typical summer slots, then they would have been $100 million dollar hits. But they chose to screw those films over with terrible release dates. They didn't even release Brother Bear on a Friday, so that led to an unimpressive opening weeked that is so critical these days in order to get good "legs".

So I think there is still a market for it, but it has to be released properly with great hype in merchandising (which neither one of those films had).
 

General Grizz

New Member
Chicken Little does not excite me. Just not an attractive film. Disney needs to change its entire management structure; the only truly good animated films I've seen since the mid-90s were made by the (laid off) Florida animators or PIXAR.

(Can't wait to see Boundin'!!)
 

Legacy

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General Grizz said:
Chicken Little does not excite me. Just not an attractive film. Disney needs to change its entire management structure; the only truly good animated films I've seen since the mid-90s were made by the (laid off) Florida animators or PIXAR.

(Can't wait to see Boundin'!!)
For some reason Grizz... it doesn't surprise me that you feel that way.

(Although I REALLY liked Tarzan, and that was a Burbank film.)
 

Indy95

New Member
Though I'm not quite sure what other G or PG rated movies will be out next summer, "Chicken Little," because of its release during the summer and the potential to hook kids and adults who have already seen the movie (making it a good movie to see again, just like "Groove"), "Chicken Little" should turn out to be a "Tarzan" -sized hit (about $140 million). Which is to say that it will garner moderate praise and be considered a success, and also would actually MAKE money for WDFA. Now, knowing that Mark Dindal and Randy Fullmer are riding herd on the project (the two men who saved "Kingdom of the Sun" by morphing it into "Groove"), and that 2 of the 6 great remaining animators at WDFA are involved, Nik Ranieri (Lumiere, Meeko, Hades, Kuzco) animating Chicken Little's father, and Ellen Woodbury (Zazu, Pegasus) with somebody else (I don't remember exactly who), I would say that "Chicken Little" should provide quality entertainment and should certainly be more enjoyable than any Disney animated film since "Lilo and Stitch." However, now with the Jim Hill article suddenly popping up, there are some questions being raised. But then again, Jim Hill was also the one that thought that "Finding Nemo" was "so-so" and would only do marginally well at the box office.

As for 2-D animation...*sigh*, where to start? Okay, if you asked me, straight out, should Disney continue 2-D animation, I would reply simply, at the rate that they're going, no they should not. Because here's what would happen: Disney would produce about one, sometimes two animated films per year (not counting those February "token sequel" movies). This means that there would be no less than five animated movies in production at once. Now, from my estimation, there are only six great remaining animators, three great directors, and about five great story artists (these estimates do not include effects, art direction, layout, background, or clean-up, but rest assured that most of the good ones are gone as well). So you have to take this limited number of great talent and split them up into five movies. (To compare, "Beauty and the Beast" had about a dozen great animators, ten great story artists, two great directors, three great producers, two great songwriters, a great scriptwriter, and the best in the business supervising every other major department. And that was just ONE MOVIE!) So you have very little, sometimes no talent working on a particular movie, so it turns out to be crap. Compound this with the endless parade of idiot "creative executives" (the bane of "Atlantis," "Treasure Planet," and "Lilo and Stitch") who think that the only thing that animation is good for is not taking risks, following trends, and making money NOW. Finally, your token MBA finds some way to screw the movie on its release date and/or its marketing ("Brother Bear" and "Treasure Planet" are prime examples), the movie is both crappy and unsuccessful, and we Disney nuts have another year to sulk and moan about Disney animation. For me, I'm just mad that they didn't shut down the 2-D department after "Lilo and Stitch" came out, so we wouldn't have three mediocre (at best) movies to complain about, and the classic 2-D movies would be frozen in time, like artifacts from a lost age, sought-after and well respected, with hardly a blemish on the record. But instead they just let 2-D go down in flames. Thanks, idiot executives.

Now, I would very much like to see 2-D come back to its ORIGINAL glory, make no mistake about that. But to do this, they would have to employ a strategy similar to this: first, get rid of crappy sequels. I'm sure I don't have to go on and on about diluting the franchise and whatever, I'm sure all of you get it. Now, this is the hard part for brainless executives: You must have AT MOST two animated movies in production at once. This means that Disney animated movies would be released every OTHER year, with the Pixar movies released in between. That means that Disney would release one animated movie per year, with no crappy sequel movies in February like "Piglet 2: The Reckoning." This way, you can pool your talent onto two teams, each turning out quality product, with no interference from executives of any shape and size (size, size, size). That's what should be done with animation, and no, churning out six 3-D movies in four years will NOT get you extra money, despite what every token Development Executive spews out. *Sigh* We'll just have to wait and see, I guess.
 

Legacy

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To say that Disney only has 6 remaining great animators is an insult to everyone involved in the production of an animated film. Considering how many people are involved in the creation of an animated film, one character developed will be drawn by at least thirty or forty different people. The lead animators just do the primary drawings, and then you have the in-betweens who REALLY do the work. Animation isn't a 10 person job. Animating a film is the epitome of a team effort. The heart of the problem with Disney Animation isn't the animators or the directors, it lies in the lame-brained ideas rolling out of the executive wing of Burbank. The desire to segment the market of their animated films (Treasure Planet, Atlantic being marketed primarily to boys instead of the family) isn't helping the appeal of the films. Lilo and Stitch was a hit because it was family oriented. Florida Animation's features were (though unique in presentation) targeted at the whole family. Chicken Little doesn't feel like it's trying to do that. And as long films keep trying to focus on a fractured market instead of a unified market, we are going to keep getting Home on the Range and Treasure Planet type receptions.

And Chicken Little is the Jimmy Neutron movie only with a chicken. And unless the film wows like Pixar can wow, I will compare it thusly.
 

DisneyFan 2000

Well-Known Member
And what's most fustrating is that discussion won't lead us anywhere because management only seems to listen when it justifies cut-backs... :rolleyes:

To be honest, I'm sick and tired of talking. No one is listening. Only new management will (I hope) listen to the paying customers... I guess all I can do is wait until June 2005...
 

Indy95

New Member
Legacy said:
To say that Disney only has 6 remaining great animators is an insult to everyone involved in the production of an animated film. Considering how many people are involved in the creation of an animated film, one character developed will be drawn by at least thirty or forty different people. The lead animators just do the primary drawings, and then you have the in-betweens who REALLY do the work. Animation isn't a 10 person job. Animating a film is the epitome of a team effort.
OK, I'll admit I sent the wrong message here. What I meant to say was that Disney only has six super, excellent, put-on-a-pedestal character animators left at the studio. I did not mean to say that the other animators were bad. That was my mistake. WDFA has many good animators, to be sure. However, "great" vs. "good" is the difference between "Beauty and the Beast" and "Home on the Range." There is a remarkable drop-off in quality between those two films, and it's not simply because of the executives, or that one is geared toward the entire family. No, the fact is, the artistic talent on "Beauty and the Beast" was simply eons above "HOTR" ("Beauty" director Kirk Wise referred to the story crew on the movie as the "Justice League of Animation"). Now, I love "Beauty and the Beast" because of its heart, its great story, its wonderful character animation, and so forth. I will watch movies such as "Beauty," "Aladdin," or "Lion King" during any free time I have. In contrast, I couldn't wait to run from the theater after seeing "HOTR." Though some might say this was because of pressure to keep costs down from executives, I'll remind you that "Lilo and Stitch" was under the same pressures, and turned out just fine in my book (I would gladly put it in my DVD player). You see, by "great animators," I meant something along the lines of "approaching Nine Old Men quality" animators. "Good" simply does not cut it in animation.

P.S. Legacy also mentions the great in-between artists currently working at the studio that I had overlooked. However, in my previous post I stated that I did not count the other departments such as in-betweeners at the studio, because there were simply too many to review. I'm sure there are many talented in-betweeners at the studio right now, but the point was that they really don't have any say in what goes on in the story, which was the main point of my argument.
 

MicBat

Well-Known Member
The first preview I saw (I guess it was the "Teaser Trailer") made the movie look really funny. The preview seen with the Incredibles, on the other hand, made me less excited about the movie. It looks to me, Disney is trying to go in the direction of Dreamworks. :rolleyes: Anyone else feel this way?
 

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