Cheap thrill rides...Possible future?

[Sherm00]

Originally posted by Small_Worldboy
Here's something that just "popped into my head".....

Walt Disney was the First man/the first company to EVER make a teel-tube/rail/whatever rollercoaster..they had ALL been Wood bnefore that..so technically Disney made the first one...which was all-THEMED.....so Once again....IAO, and 6 Flags, and Cp, and all that have/had taken that idea from Walt.....and The Big Float Flumes...from POT, and IASW, were their idea, and teh Omnimover....

So what I'm trying to say is that Many of these "cheap" rides thta u see at Cp, and 6 Flags, and the like, are actually Disney's Original rides, but because they are constantly used, and look cheap/are not themeed and all that...so..(it's hard 2 explain this)
but like they all made these things look cheap, and 'cuase of that I think that they would look stupid, because people have become "immune" to seeing these things in cheap parks, w/ out all the themeing, and Magic that Disney has, so when ever someone sees one, they think..."oh well look at that"...Disneuy is making themeselves cheap...o that's why they should not put one in their park w/ out at least themeing, because, even though Disney made them....the other company's gave them the "reputation of looking cheap"...so it's kinda like Disney can't even use their own ideas ne more....(i know thta this is long and confusing, but it's always hard for me too explain things like this )......Thank u for ur time

thats a good point, disney started it with BTMRR the Matterhorn. then it just took of from there. and it's ok with me as long as disney dosn't do it like everyone else and puts major themeing into it, like RNRC. I won't go on it but it brings the parks numbers up drasticly. I mean if you really think about it, the emporors new groove definitly deserves a indore roller coaster. and monsters inc. I'm thinking a 3 track inverted coasters, stand up, so it looks like your strapped to a door, i think that would bring the crowds and easially fit into the themeing.

 

[Sherm00]

Originally posted by MrNonacho


Hate to burst your bubble, but Arrow Dynamics gets the credit for the Matterhorn. They also played a big part in creating many of the classic Disney ride systems.

also very true. when walt was building disneyland alot of the stuff he wanted to do wasn't even invented let alone herd of. he pulled in the diffrent companies and the people to do design and build his dream.

 

[DisneyKrazed]

Were did this idea of a 5th gate come from. From reading this thread many times people keep refuring to Disney becoming a Six Flags or a "cheap" park. I don't see how adding a thrill ride such as a roller coaster will do that. I can only seeing it do good for the parks. If your afraid of people being intimidated by the rides then put any large outdoor parts of the ride in a hard to see area. Roller Coaster (10-30 mil) + Theming (approx 4-5 mil) will be cheap extreams rides.

By the way the roller coasters don't have to be inside. Once again look at Dueling Dragons, great outdoor ride, and great theming.

 

[space42]

y the way the roller coasters don't have to be inside. Once again look at Dueling Dragons, great outdoor ride, and great theming.

Dueling Dragons has theming? I didn't notice any. I will say that it is a GREAT pair of coasters, but theming?? Now it also have a wonderful que, but once you get on the ride its just a coaster. I guess you could could the dragons painted on the sides of the cars. blah.

If you want to see an outdoor coaster with incredible theming, look no further than Big Thunder Mountain! Now THATS theming!

 

[bearboysnc]

Originally posted by DisneyKrazed
By the way the roller coasters don't have to be inside. Once again look at Dueling Dragons, great outdoor ride, and great theming.

What do you consider the best part of the outdoor themeing?

The visible backstage building?
The swampy, halfassed landscaped area beneath the ride covered in garbage, and lost personal belongings.
Maybe it's the chain link fence surrounding the area below the lifts.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Originally posted by bearboysnc




The visible backstage building?
The swampy, halfassed landscaped area beneath the ride covered in garbage, and lost personal belongings.
Maybe it's the chain link fence surrounding the area below the lifts.

But if you remove your Mickey tinted specs youd see its still a damn fine ride, and being as its part of the entertainment industry it fully fullfils its task.

How much themeing is enough anyway?

 

[FigmentDream]

Originally posted by happy snapper


How much themeing is enough anyway?

Enough to where you forget you are on a rollercoaster with dragon shaped cars.......


If you can not fully emerse a guest with your themeing then really you just decorated the ride, and did not theme it, theming includes a story line and fully emersive themeing, otherwise it is mearly amusing. Hence the core difference between an amusment park and a theme park.

 

[DisneyKrazed]

Does Rockin Roller Coaster really do that for everyone. After the great line in done then what. The ride is great but on the ride the theming isn't. Those Hollywood signs in the dark really do nothing for me and I'm not thinking "Boy I can't wait to get to this concert." I just know I'm going upside down. Dueling Dragons Intralls me just as much as RRC after the line.

 

[Cliff]

This is THE ultimate "Have your cake and eat it too" discussion.

How do they make expensive Disney attractions "cheap" but still every bit as..... "Disney"??

WDI spends ALLOT of money putting little detailes in the elaborate presentations of their attractions.

Is this money well spent? ( this question is sure to bring "rude" replies from certain people here)

How many people are Disney geeks like us? I comb every area of attractions looking for subtle "gems" everywhere I go.

"Regular" park gowers don't seem to give a damn. Example; every time I go to TOT, I look around and inspect the library. I'm looking at the books, the sheet music, the statues...etc. Meanwhile, I'm getting strange looks from people wondering WHAT I'm so interested in....

What I'm trying to say here is ....MOST people don't have the attention span to notice the things that Disney spends so much money on.

I watch person after person walk into an attration, spot one or two obvious things, walk out and say..."eh,...that was kinda boring"

Non-Disney geeks just don't seem to get it.

Anybody go to Epcot or MGM this weekend? It was a ghost town.

It was sad and a bit scary.

I love and appreciate expensive and highly detailed WDI attractions.

But I'm not convinced the average person really notices.

CT

 

[cymbaldiva]

Originally posted by 10021982

I love and appreciate expensive and highly detailed WDI attractions.

But I'm not convinced the average person really notices.

CT

Ya think? I hope that's not so... I adore all of the details! They are a part of what makes Disney so...Disney! I personally was ruined for even trying to enjoy other parks after my first WDW trip - I really missed all of the little details!

Guess this is what makes all of us so incredibly above average! :lol: :animwink:

 

[FourFourSeven]

Originally posted by 10021982
I love and appreciate expensive and highly detailed WDI attractions.

But I'm not convinced the average person really notices.

I disagree. I think the "average person" notices. Only sometimes explicitly (as in "look at those cool book titles,") but it does get internalized.

On a trip to Disney, I spent a day at IOA with my non-Disney fan, coaster-freak brother (who has been on nearly 200 coasters in the last 32 years). He loves the thrills, but, as far as themeing, and all that, he seems usually to not care much. We went on Cat in the Hat, and when we got off, he proclaimed "IOA has better coasters, but Disney is the master of dark rides. It's not even close!" And I agree. On Cat in the Hat, you can see ceilings, exit signs, etc. It always feels like a "ride." We compared it with Splash Mountain's themeing - even the ceilings are covered by tree limbs and leaves! It's completely immersive.

People do notice that. Not everyone, but lots and lots of people do notice.

 

[dreamer]

The difference between good and great is in the subtle details. The things you can "feel" but only notice if you look for them. Music, art, writing, movies -- it's the subtle things that make the difference.

You can't describe why ToT is so much better than the "drop" rides at other amusement parks. You have to experience it. It's the queue, the hotel lobby, the basement, the faces of the CM's, the preshow, the final words you hear in the blackness before the car drops. It's the details of all those different things that makes it great in a way only Disney is willing pay for.

Are there other coasters that blast Aerosmith into your ears? If not I'm sure there will be. That music makes all the difference. Again with the other details of the theme -- the limo ride through nighttime LA.

It's not just the theming, it's the ability and willingness to theme to the extreme. To take you there.

If Disney lets down their standard for theming, why go to DW? They must continue to keep quality standards high or it will hurt them in the long run.

If they can buy cheap rides and theme them well, then I'm for it. But I'm not going to drive twice as far to ride the same ride I can ride at Busch Gardens or Six Flags.

 

[jcmayid]

Hey DisneyKrazed, I'd appreciate it if you were a little more original and not use others avatars, unless it's one from the picking list Steve provides. I try to be the only one so I changed it again.

 

[Married@WDW]

Originally posted by dreamer
If they can buy cheap rides and theme them well, then I'm for it.

But what if this is all they do? What if the cheap rides become the replacement for technilogical advances like ToT, TT, MS? Are we willing to give up this for more basic rides with a god theme?

I know I'm not.

I'm OK with the idea of taking some off the shelf rides and doing them up WDI-style to give the parks a kick in the pants. BUT, I still want emphasis to be on rides that are totally out of the ordinary.

 

[dreamer]

Originally posted by 10021982

But I'm not convinced the average person really notices.

CT

I guess it's obvious that I didn't read your last post til after I posted. I agree with your sentiment.

I think they should let you and me run the place and we'd fix it up.

As for the "average person," let them pay half the price and go to Dollywood or Universal. There are enough people that do notice to keep Disney in business.

Every business has slow days. I'm not worried about a slow day at Epcot. Maybe more people went to MK that day because it was opened later and they had the parade and fireworks. (At Beach Club last week they told me that occupancy for BC, YC and BCV was 80% -- which I think is pretty good for the last week of Sept., and Mon the 23rd wasn't extremely slow at MGM.)